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Angry Joe's Rant on the Youtube Monetization Issue
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SneakyStephan
Banned
Why is this not a real job but marketer, PR, the people who make these videogames etc are?
None of them contribute anything meaningful any more than some random youtube vlogger does.
The former 2 don't even do anything productive, their entire job description is be counter productive to society, efficiency and quality of life in the name of profit
What do you do? are you a doctor or a carpenter? A researcher? Odds are pretty big that you don't have a meaningful job either
The Broken Ska Record
Member
One thing I don't understand about this whole situation is why does it seem to be going after games specifically and not stuff like movies and TV shows. Surely, that would be at greater "risk" of people just watching clips and stuff online.
They did also, previously, make this opportunity available. The golden era has just died and it won't be long before the other video streaming sites follow suit.
But things will get better after they worsen.
They moderate those heavily already, YouTube that is.
Whole movies are rarely uploaded in full, but games still are.
Edit:
Double post, sorry. It's hard to gauge on a phone.
Well Google is putting their reputation at risk because this system isn't meant to take down videos immediately but to give Google a reason not to pay video producers for their work that makes Google's advertising scheme on youtube remotely viable.
I'm still waiting for some journalist to dig into the matter of whether or not Google just keeps the money for themselves or do they just hand over that money that would've gone to youtubers to the people making Content ID claims.
Yeah, it sucks. Never said it didn't. Can only hope these people affected were smart with their money. It was made on a shaky foundation that could be taken away from them at any given moment.
jakonovski
Member
Chances are that this isn't going to change knowing Google. The dream is dead, looks like these dudes are gonna have to find real jobs soon.I don't mean that in a snarky way either. It must feel terrible to have created a steady source of income over the years, alter your life to focus solely on that, and then have it taken away without warning.
It's like we're witnessing a mass layoff.
The worst part is that it's all for nothing. The rights holders will have nothing to show for this, and even Youtube will inevitably shrink a bit.
rockman zx
Member
I didn't know that Joe's job is to be a youtube personality, best of luck to him and people like him involved in this mess.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Fantastic video. Every decision maker at Google/YouTube should be required to watch this.
Stealth_Cobra
Member
Don't worry too much. I'm sure one of Youtube's competitors will offer a similar service without the auto flagging crap in the near future... Giving people like Joe similar revenues on said other website.
Basically, either Youtube sorts this crap out properly, or creators will remove their videos from Youtube and upload them somewhere else where they get paid for them. It's not like fans of existing Youtubers will give up on people they loved watching just because they switched from Youtube to Dailymotion or something like that...
The only thing that will happen then is that Youtube will turn into the goto place for booring cat videos and people ranting about trivial matters.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Who's to say even if all the game LPers moved to some other service that the same people who pressured YouTube to put these systems in place won't do the same thing to the new service? This "system" needs to be fixed now, because it's just going to follow the content creators no matter where they go.
eot
Banned
MCNs are fucked because they're now completely pointless
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
He was smart for transitioning to his own website, but I guess everything still goes through YouTube in the end as far as revenue goes. At least he's fostered his own community that'll support him where he lands if the worst happens.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Angry Joe's had one hell of a year. New Superman movie, interview with Major Nelson, now this.
Would he be having this problem if he were on Blip like everyone on TGWTG?
thesolidshark
Member
He liked the new Superman movie though. But back on topic, this shouldn't be affecting Joe. I really hope he gets in a good position soon, whether or not YT fixes its issues. Time (for anyone using YT, including just viewers) to start looking for alternatives. In most cases, I'd think YT would need us more than we need them.
Mr. Enigma
Member
100%. The only benefit to being partnered on YouTube under an MCN was the ability to monetize anything you wanted without worrying about Content ID. Also, the peace of mind knowing that if your channel got a copyright strike, they could get it removed.
MCNs have next to no purpose now. I have about 2,100 subs on YT and Fullscreen has been coming at me for the last few months to join. I've held off because I've largely not seen the point. I'm smart enough to know what could get me a strike and not to post it, so why should I give them a cut of my earnings?
If I can't avoid Content ID, what's the honest point of an MCN now?
AHA-Lambda
Member
god those last couple minutes are heartwrenching, I feel really bad for the guy
LeeRoyBrown
Banned
Great fucking video.
Kinda makes me want to not watch youtube...but its like the god of internet video, what else do we do?
Kinda makes me want to not watch youtube...but its like the god of internet video, what else do we do?
It's called volunteering and I feel good doing it. This isn't an insult against youtube content creators, far from it, but your question comes off as insulting people who do things out of passion and/or kindness of their heart and that kind of attitude doesn't help either side of the argument in relation to this topic.
jakonovski
Member
You do realize that Youtube and the rights holders will monetize your content even if you volunteer. So all you're really volunteering is your paycheck, to transnational media giants.
no way will another competitor to youtube rise and become just as big or bigger. most of the movies/music studios were caught off guard with youtube and it became a force they could not stop. they won't let somebody rise up without forcing them to adopt all the same type of rules as youtube. twitch can end up becoming a pretty big competitor if it lets its users create channels similar to youtube and have a feed for all the channels you are subscribed to. does twitch even let you upload videos?
n00bsauce87
Member
Why hasn't a new website been developed because of these issues?
Btw, was watching Fatal Fury 1 and 2 animated full yesterday while at work. I don't think SNK cares though. Policies like this will NEVER be 100% foolproof.
Btw, was watching Fatal Fury 1 and 2 animated full yesterday while at work. I don't think SNK cares though. Policies like this will NEVER be 100% foolproof.
If...
Angry Joe
TheRadBrad
Total Biscuit
Game Grumps
PewDiePie
uh...
If the major YouTube video game content providers unlisted all of their flagged videos, and committed to uploading unrestricted footage, publishers will back down one by one. All it would take is some unity and endurance. If they spread the message of what's happening, and smaller YouTubers follow suit, this can be stopped before it starts.
But coordinated action has to start now.
Edit:
But if people take the attitude of "Well I'm accepted, and I'm allowed to upload what I want" rather than saying "No, we aren't your hype-men, either we upload what we want or we upload nothing", then YouTuber's will lose. Solidarity is necessary.
Angry Joe
TheRadBrad
Total Biscuit
Game Grumps
PewDiePie
uh...
If the major YouTube video game content providers unlisted all of their flagged videos, and committed to uploading unrestricted footage, publishers will back down one by one. All it would take is some unity and endurance. If they spread the message of what's happening, and smaller YouTubers follow suit, this can be stopped before it starts.
But coordinated action has to start now.
Edit:
But if people take the attitude of "Well I'm accepted, and I'm allowed to upload what I want" rather than saying "No, we aren't your hype-men, either we upload what we want or we upload nothing", then YouTuber's will lose. Solidarity is necessary.
boogie2988
Banned
I don't agree with how Joe says it but I agree with everything he has to say.
With the videos he has flagged his income for the time they they are flagged will drop like a rock. Sure, someone at joe's level is living pretty comfortably but we have no clue what his actual financial situation is and this could ruin him.
But beyond the financial situation it just not right. This is bait and switch pure and simple. after 2-3 years of allowing people to do exactly what Joe has done, LEGALLY creating reviews and rants and other things under DMCA law and to pull the rug out from under him... well its just awful.
I'm mad too as I'm watching some of my favorite youtuber's lives crumble. Holy shit this is awful.
With the videos he has flagged his income for the time they they are flagged will drop like a rock. Sure, someone at joe's level is living pretty comfortably but we have no clue what his actual financial situation is and this could ruin him.
But beyond the financial situation it just not right. This is bait and switch pure and simple. after 2-3 years of allowing people to do exactly what Joe has done, LEGALLY creating reviews and rants and other things under DMCA law and to pull the rug out from under him... well its just awful.
I'm mad too as I'm watching some of my favorite youtuber's lives crumble. Holy shit this is awful.
Relativ9
Member
Another Polaris youtuber (eldergeekdotcom) did a video on this issue, but he also includes a lot of the other issues with youtube right now, particularly how their new channel recommendation system is killing smaller youtube partners (10-50k subs).
"For the last year youtube has done pretty much everything in their power to make their product...worse."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i3MTRA2LKU
Good video, I'd post it in its own thread but I'm just a junior.
"For the last year youtube has done pretty much everything in their power to make their product...worse."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i3MTRA2LKU
Good video, I'd post it in its own thread but I'm just a junior.
WORLDSTAR!
n00bsauce87
Member
Also, I think this COULD be an opportunity for Twitch. Why not? If they can have a feature to just upload videos along with live streaming, it could be a major exodus.
I really feel bad for AngryJoe
I really feel bad for AngryJoe
boogie2988
Banned
If I was an investor I'd throw money at twitch. Or honestly I'd try to go the start up route. If you could create a company that is in bed with the big companies and could convince them to let you corner the market on game play distribution you'd remake part of the internet.
2014 is the best year for the vine, twitter, facebook, whatever of gaming. Make it happen, new media investors. we need you.
Marauder Shields
Member
What's to stop Twitch from getting hit with this down the line?
Kadayi
Banned
It's an automated system at work, so I'd expect that once he appeals notices then they'll get approved. Joe does good work and puts a lot of effort into what he does and he's definitely in the fair use camp in terms of how he uses game footage so I'd be quite surprised if any publishers hold out unless they're complete dicks. Even when he's ragging on a game, he's normally bringing constructive criticism to it.
What is wrong with how he says it?
Yes but even volunteering you get recompense for your time and effort, I do two volunteering jobs one for a fraternal company where they give me free tickets if I organise cinema events for their members, free lunches ... basically a like for like recompense followed by £100 for telephone expenses and even an open plane ticket to their annual meeting with accommodation.
Even at Oxfam they recompense my time by paying my lunch.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
This needs to be Notch/Mojang's next endeavor. Youtube MADE Minecraft the success it is today. If Notch could start up a gaming-focused Youtube competitor that had contracts and such in place to allow full monetization for uploaders? That'd be amazing. EDIT: And not even contracts, per se. There's already a lot of publishers who have come out and said they don't care if people monetize their stuff. I doubt it'd even be that hard to set up the proper permissions and such.
Notch has the money to do it, too. Mojang could re-invent streaming video services the way Valve re-invented PC game distribution.
EDIT: Also, hey boogie! Welcome to GAF!
the majority of companies fighting youtube are music/tv/movie producers. twitch won't have them and their lawyers breathing down their necks so it will be easier to fight off any threats from game publishers.
Didn't realize you were a member here. I love your work.
Anyway, have you had any videos flagged yet? Some of Angry Joe's were bullshit (flags on interviews with developers...seriously?)
KaiserBecks
Member
Maybe I'm missing something here, but how exactly is this whole problem anything new? Commercial movie reviews (think Siskel and Ebert for example) have been restricted from showing anything but promotional clips for years. "Let's Plays" are obviously a different story, but Angry Joe doesn't do those, as far as I know. What's the problem with reviewing a game and only showing clips from a trailer in the background?
boogie2988
Banned
I feel his message could get out there a little bit better were he to remain more calm. I didnt create a 'francis video' about this topic for this exact reason. Dignity and controlled reason will get us much further on this one. The whole Google+ thing was a joke. This is destroying people's livelyhoods.
But then again what do I know. That video will viral out and more people will be aware so maybe I'm full of shit.
Imagine if Youtube had some serious competition, and by that I mean someone offering an incentive (monetization model) as well as the obvious resources. Of course no one would be able to topple Youtube easily, and I am not saying this is a scenario one should wish for, but I would really like to see an opportunity for content creators and viewers alike to give almighty Youtube a lesson in humility.
Also, regarding his demeanor, I think it's good that all fronts are being covered. Some people are delivering heated arguments while others are trying to give a more coherent opinion.
