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Angry RNC Protesters using smaller more "personal" encounters...

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Eric-GCA

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/31/p...partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=

Outside a hotel in Times Square, delegates to the Republican National Convention were swarmed by protesters dressed in black and swearing at them. Blocks away, delegates engaged in shoving matches with protesters seeking to spoil their night at the theater. And outside "The Lion King" on 42nd Street, a delegate was punched by a protester who ran by.

Although the organized protests yesterday and Sunday have been largely peaceful, there has been a starkly different tone to smaller incidents in Midtown and elsewhere: angry encounters and planned harassment of convention delegates as they go out on the town.

Sometimes the delegates answer back in toe-to-toe, finger-pointing shouting matches. Other times the police, who are guarding delegate gatherings, have dispersed protesters, who move on to other locations to taunt other delegates.

Since platoons of heavily armed police are guarding the convention site at Madison Square Garden, anarchists and other radicals are carrying out a coordinated plan to strike out at delegates at their hotels, breakfasts, parties, and on the streets.

The incidents are the result of months of planning by opposition groups, who report that they have obtained copies of plans and addresses for delegates' parties, caucuses and other gatherings outside the Garden.

Their efforts are aided by a support network that uses cellphone text messaging, among other means, to stay in communication. The cellphone messages were used extensively in a bike protest on Friday night and during demonstrations in Times Square on Sunday to direct protesters and alert them to where police were assembling.

"CT delegation breakfast everyday @ Maison (7th ave & 53rd) from 7-8:30. Can we get some dissenters?" said one text message yesterday, apparently referring to the Connecticut delegation's plan to gather at a Midtown restaurant. "Maison has outdoor buffet. It would be direct contact with delegates."

One Internet discussion list used by protesters posted an advisory about where some delegate buses would be idling in Midtown every morning. Another message included phone numbers and e-mail addresses for convention officials and advised that delegate hotels would be busiest in the morning and evening.

The harassment of delegates came as organized protests continued to draw thousands of people. The Still We Rise march by advocates for social issues was peaceful, and a Poor People's March, a column several blocks long, proceeded from the United Nations to the Garden yesterday after the police decided to let it go ahead even though organizers had not obtained a permit.

When marchers approached the Garden, a police officer was kicked repeatedly in the head by at least one male demonstrator and was listed in serious condition at an unidentified hospital, the police said. There was no immediate word of an arrest in the assault, the police said. As of 9 p.m., the police said there had been eight protest-related arrests.

The police are bracing for another round of unsanctioned demonstrations today, which protesters have designated a day of "nonviolent civil disobedience and direct action." Among the parties expected to be a target is the Tennessee delegation's gathering at Sotheby's. A group calling itself the Man in Black Bloc plans to protest it, saying it is angered that the convention intends to honor the late country singer Johnny Cash, who typically performed dressed in black.

Yesterday, Jamie Moran, who lives in Brooklyn and describes himself as an anarchist and helps direct the rncnotwelcome.org Web site, was roaming Times Square with a band of protesters shouting at delegates. "These people are in a bubble," he said. "This is absolutely better than standing outside the Garden and shouting to let them know they are not welcome here."

As delegate buses arrived at the Garden yesterday afternoon, protesters who had gathered for a demonstration screamed obscenities and gestured rudely at them. When the police spotted Pete Coors, a Republican candidate for United States Senate from Colorado, walking near the group, they swiftly steered him away.

Clearly, the protesters were not deterred by entreaties by former Mayor Edward I. Koch that New Yorkers be nice and an offer by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg to give peaceful protesters buttons and shopping discounts.

Adam Chase, 23, who said he came from Michigan for the protests, said that while he believed demonstrators should not be violent, "I think it is quite unfair for the R.N.C. and the delegates to tell us we should not be telling them we think they are exploiting the fears of the people."

Mindful that delegates are targets, police officers guard their hotels and ride aboard their chartered buses around town, and several receive police escorts. Numerous officers are assigned to many events outside the Garden.

"New York City is a fortress, and I love it," Joseph Kyrillos, the New Jersey state Republican chairman, said yesterday at a delegate breakfast. "We need to thank the New York police for all the protection."

Leonardo Alcivar, a spokesman for the convention, said officials recommended that delegates not respond to heckling and taunts, which he said have been "few and far between."

Still, he said, "Our delegates understand the old adage, do unto others as they do unto you."

The tensest encounters between delegates and protesters so far occurred Sunday evening when large groups of demonstrators moved through the theater district while delegates were attending shows under arrangements prepared by convention planners. Several protesters were arrested for trying to block hotel and theater entrances, and face-to-face standoffs abounded.

Outside "Bombay Dreams" demonstrators shouted at and videotaped people standing outside for intermission.

At "Aida," a group of protesters unfurled a banner and hurled invective at delegates leaving the show. Some looked nervous, but a few shouted back, "You're sick, sick."

Delegates lined up to see "Phantom of the Opera" ended up in a sing-song, tit-for-tat with protesters. One protester shouted, "The phantom dies at the end."

Flora Rohrs, a delegate from Colorado, burst into song, "This is my country," with bits of "God Bless America" thrown in. She said, "What is going on here is we are still going to get George Bush re-elected."

For some, there was no escape even at dinner.

"A person came by and used an explicative and stuck his finger in our face," said Deb Etcheson, an alternate delegate from Iowa. "But I don't blame that on New Yorkers. I just love this city."

Some delegates seemed perplexed, even hurt, not because they did not expect protesters to be here, but because they did not expect them to get personal. "They were using foul language, getting real ugly," said Kim Kirkwood, a delegate from Amarillo, Tex. Her husband, Jim, said he could not understand it. "I have friends who are Democrats in Texas, and we talk about things, agree to disagree."

Reporting for this article was contributed by Anthony Ramirez, Marc Santora, Mary Spicuzza and Jennifer Steinhauer.
 

AntoneM

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Yesterday, Jamie Moran, who lives in Brooklyn and describes himself as an anarchist and helps direct the rncnotwelcome.org Web site, was roaming Times Square with a band of protesters shouting at delegates. "These people are in a bubble," he said. "This is absolutely better than standing outside the Garden and shouting to let them know they are not welcome here."

hell you'd think he'd be more right wing nutjob than left wing wacko... you know with all the less govt. talk a lot of the right throws out there.
 

gblues

Banned
Nice strategy, dems. Stalk and intimidate the RNC delegates--that'll make 'em listen! I don't remember hearing about that kind of behavior during the DNC (but then I wasn't looking for it either).

Nathan
 

Socreges

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gblues said:
Nice strategy, dems. Stalk and intimidate the RNC delegates--that'll make 'em listen! I don't remember hearing about that kind of behavior during the DNC (but then I wasn't looking for it either).

Nathan
Uh, they're probably as much Republican as they are Democrat. Sounds more like extremists that just hate the Bush administration.
 
gblues said:
Nice strategy, dems. Stalk and intimidate the RNC delegates--that'll make 'em listen! I don't remember hearing about that kind of behavior during the DNC (but then I wasn't looking for it either).

Nathan

I don't think these folks are Democrats. Most people who self-identify as anarchists are not alligning themselves with a mainstream political party.

With that said, most of the New Yorkers I know don't want the convention, don't respect the convention goers and resent the cynical use of New York City and 9/11 for politicial gain. These delegates are in extremely hostile territory here and they should be afraid. I also don't think provocateurs care about these people listening. They already know that the delegates are brainwashed by the administration's party line. The idea is to hammer home the idea that they're not at all wanted or welcome here in this city. New York is its own animal and these people need to know that it's not some cute playground for them. Btw, My favorite sign at the march on Sunday was U.S. Out of New York. Man, I love this town.
 

Eric-GCA

Banned
The "Anarchists" seem to have marked tommorow as a day when they'll really turn on the heat. Should be interesting to observe.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Mercury Fred said:
I don't think these folks are Democrats. Most people who self-identify as anarchists are not alligning themselves with a mainstream political party.

With that said, most of the New Yorkers I know don't want the convention, don't respect the convention goers and resent the cynical use of New York City and 9/11 for politicial gain. These delegates are in extremely hostile territory here and they should be afraid. I also don't think provocateurs care about these people listening. They already know that the delegates are brainwashed by the administration's party line. The idea is to hammer home the idea that they're not at all wanted or welcome here in this city. New York is its own animal and these people need to know that it's not some cute playground for them. Btw, My favorite sign at the march on Sunday was U.S. Out of New York. Man, I love this town.

That's definitely the feeling you get around the city here; a bunch of pissed-off New Yorkers in general is not a good environment to walk into.

The anarchists, OTOH, are obviously a whole 'nother story. And trust me that they're not voting and don't have an allegiance to a political party, they're way beyond that.
 

Drensch

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Stalking individual people is bad news. Of course, the right pioneered it. Creepy stuff they do anyone remotely related to abortions are downright scary.
 
Eric-GCA said:
This coming from the very same people who accuse Bush of "using fear" :rolleyes
Oh, spare me. The Bush administration has been trading on fear for almost three years now. New Yorkers have every right to serve some back to people who would keep him in power.
 

Slurpy

*drowns in jizz*
Then again, there wasn't the largest protest of any political convention in history at the DNC.

There was close to 500,000 protestors by some estimates. What do you expect? Theres bound to be cases of going over the line. But by all reports it was a peaceful demonstration. They're demonstrating against someone they believe to be a fucked up president, and don't want him for a 2nd term. WHat does this have to do with democrats?

Give it up Eric. You're incredibly tiring and predictable.
 
Wow, lots of protests throught the day here in Manhattan. Cops were EVERYWHERE. And not a few, but huge flanks of them standing around acting intimidating. They're also in copters constantly circling the skies. I went around the city to witness and brought my video camera in case I caught any police brutality first hand. I didn't get anything first hand.

I did get a chance to order a few RNC delegates out of my neighborhood here in the East Village. I shouted at them like they were bad animals who had made a mess on my living room floor. I did not, however, swear. I simply yelled "Get out of our city! You're not welcome here! Go home!" And then when they looked again, "GO!!" like they were dogs. I know it was immature, but damn it felt good. And I got quite a few smiles, thumbs up and approving looks from the other people on the street. These people really are unwelcome here.

Interestingly the protests really aren't being covered at all. Check out http://nyc.indymedia.org/ for constant updates.

There's also this piece in tomorrow's New York Times:

Hundreds Are Arrested as Protests Escalate
By DIANE CARDWELL and RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD

Published: September 1, 2004

A series of demonstrations rippled across Manhattan last night when protesters tried to converge on the Republican National Convention, as a day of planned civil disobedience erupted into clashes with police officers and led to the arrest of hundreds of people.

The wave of confrontations - which included a brawl with the police at the New York Public Library, marauding crowds cursing at delegates in Midtown and the detention of hundreds of protesters near ground zero - created a day of disorder in a convention week already marked by sustained protests against the Bush administration and the war in Iraq.

Yesterday's incidents stood in contrast to the enormous, mostly orderly antiwar march that drew hundreds of thousands of people to Manhattan on Sunday. But many of those protesting yesterday had purposefully avoided seeking permits for their rallies but had publicized their plans well in advance, leading hordes of police officers in cars, bikes, scooters and vans to flood various parts of the city primed to pre-empt much of the action before it could occur. At least 550 people were arrested.

The protesters gathered at various locations, many with the goal of descending on the convention site at Madison Square Garden. But at the various staging areas - near ground zero, in Union Square, in Herald Square near Macy's, and outside the New York Public Library - the police began making arrests, sending the crowds into a frenzy. These confrontations followed several other events, some of which went off without incident with the police taking aggressive action to prevent disruptions.

"Today a number of anti-R.N.C. activities failed to materialize, including a takeover of the lobby of the Warwick Hotel, perhaps because of the police presence there," Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly told reporters at an early evening news conference.

Protesters and civil liberties lawyers expressed concerns over what they said had been unfair and overzealous tactics in dealing with demonstrators who may not have had permits but were not acting violently.

"It's an example of the police suckering the protesters," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, referring to the arrest of some 200 protesters who said they thought they were abiding by an agreement they had negotiated with the police as they marched from ground zero on Fulton Street.

"It was a bait-and-switch tactic," she added, "where they approved a demonstration and the protesters kept up their end of the bargain. They undermined people's confidence in the police and that's a serious problem as we go forward."


The day, loosely organized by an anarchist collective called the A31 Action Coalition, began slowly, with highly anticipated events proving less than fractious. Indeed, the cat-and-mouse between the protesters and the police started early in the morning. Responding to word that anarchists planned to somehow disrupt the morning's trading, hundreds of police officers flooded the blocks surrounding the New York Stock Exchange before 8 a.m. Roughly an hour later, dozens of officers responded to an obscure corner near the exchange at South Williams Street and Mill Lane, where protesters had stretched a ball of yarn across the street.

Within minutes, 14 young people sat handcuffed and seated with their backs to a wall near the short pedestrian mall, surrounded by three or four times as many police officers. Several balls of red and yellow yarn were strewn about the street, and a boom box sat nearby with a sign on a bedsheet reading "Celebrate the Power of Money." One of the protesters wore a pinstriped suit and a beret.

Paul J. Browne, a police spokesman, said of the protesters, "A lot of them are from out of town, and I think it was reflected in the choice of intersections."

But the protests gained intensity throughout the day, and by late afternoon, the tenor had clearly changed as the police appeared to adjust their tactics to deal with the spontaneous eruptions throughout the city and the crowds of demonstrators grew increasingly volatile as the arrests mounted.

Indeed, the turning point appeared to come as several hundred protesters with the War Resisters League tried to begin a march up Fulton Street that organizers had negotiated with police, although they did not have a permit. Ed Hedemann, one of the organizers, said their understanding was that if they stayed on the sidewalk and did not block foot traffic or vehicles, they could proceed toward Madison Square Garden. But within minutes, the protesters were confronted by a line of police officers who told demonstrators they were blocking the sidewalk and would be arrested, although they did not appear to be blocking pedestrian traffic at that point. A commanding officer, telling the crowd of about 200 "you're all under arrest," ordered other officers to bring the "prison van" and the "orange netting" with which to enmesh the protesters.

"We don't know why we are being arrested, we were just crossing the street," said Lambert Rochfort, who was among the protesters. "We were told if we don't do anything illegal we would be allowed to march on the sidewalk and we did just that. Then they arrested us for no apparent reason."

Later in the afternoon, a clash erupted on the steps of the New York Public Library after two women tried to hang a protest banner over one of the lions atop the library steps. After the police pinned the women to the ground, a crowd of protesters struggled with police, answering requests to move with chants of "Oink, oink, oink." People coming off of the subways were thrown to the ground and the steps of the library were left littered with chairs and debris.

As protesters converged on Herald Square in the evening, the police tried to contain the increasingly raucous crowds. Hundreds of protesters seemed to get too close to the buses of delegates and the crowd became unruly as the police moved in metal barricades and used scooters to try to push the crowd back.

Those who would not move were arrested, and each time the police moved in to make an arrest, they were swarmed by protestors.

The protesters at Herald Square, frustrated by their lack of ability to move closer to Madison Square Garden, began breaking off in clusters of hundreds or so and storming the streets and avenues in Midtown, throwing cones and other objects at cars and windows as they ran. As police drew close, they tried to scatter. Police tackled them in streets, corners and in front of stores. Innocent bystanders were also caught up in the maelstrom.

In one instance, about 200 people broke away from the larger group in a chase that went all the way from 33rd Street and Broadway to 27th Street and Park Avenue, before being tackled by police. At 27th Street and Madison Avenue, protestors set fire to a large pile of trash near the Carlton Hotel as delegates and other guests made their way out of the convention.


http://nytimes.com/2004/09/01/politics/campaign/01protest.html?hp
 
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