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Hellsing321
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tiff said:
They sure are.
Okay thats technically a swimsuit but still
. . .Mortrialus said:
Better? The first one was a wall paper made off of a screencap straight out of the show.
It's running gag. I mean sure, it's seriously "moe", but they're sort of highlighting that by the bishojou bubbles. It's only sexualization if the person sexualizes it on their own time. If my own damned sister did that I'd call it cute. Doesn't mean that it would in any way make her sexy. It's no more sexy than... well, than this:
bengraven
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duckroll said:
I swear to god, I read this and part of me cringed.
There probably is, but you know what? I'm going to forget you said this and remember the peaceful innocence that is a truly good Ghibli movie.
Salacious Crumb said:
Actually, bringing this full circle, when she was 16 a Japanese businessman offered her a million for her virginity if I remember correctly.
Personally I think anime has a tendency to portray younger characters as more mature than they are in reality.speedpop said:
It's not an anime, but one example that really comes to mind is Atelier Rorona. Her original stated age was 14, but NISA changed her age to 17 when they localized the game. Going just off her looks, personality, and maturity, I'd say NISA's age is a much better fit.
Hellsing321 said:
Mortrialus
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duckroll said:
doomed1 said:
I've already made my point clear that you don't need to be visually titillating to be sexualized .
doomed1 said:. . .
It's running gag. I mean sure, it's seriously "moe", but they're sort of highlighting that by the bishojou bubbles. It's only sexualization if the person sexualizes it on their own time. If my own damned sister did that I'd call it cute. Doesn't mean that it would in any way make her sexy. It's no more sexy than... well, than this:
I always wonder why Japan is the only one who does stuff like this? Why can't they make the characters that are not 12-year old girls. Are people seriously not gonna watch otherwise?
And what's wrong with moe? It's just a trope, a narrative mechanic. Overuse of any narrative mechanic shits up shows. What makes moe special beyond how companies seem to overuse it most?Branduil said:
But then wouldn't that be on the onus of the viewer than the maker?Mortrialus said:
Hellsing321
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One of the best selling shows from last season has a father in his mid 30's as the main character. The are plenty of different audiences in Japan.Azuran said:
Salacious Crumb
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survivor said:
Technosteve
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is Azumanga Daioh Moe ?
Mortrialus
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Hellsing321 said:
Just for clarification, what show are you talking about? I haven't been following anime in Japan for the past few seasons.
doomed1 said:
Sometimes, yes it would be like with Evangelion and Rei. But you forget that a big reason why moe exploded in the naughts was because of the release and explosion of moe based eroges like Kanon and Air.
Hellsing321
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Tiger and Bunny.Mortrialus said:
My favorite part about all the manservice pics is that they're actually from their respective shows. Oyaji moe is best moe.
RurouniZel
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tiff said:
Actually, the funny thing about that is that I'm finding that, to use this example, the original is actually more "realistic" these days than not. Girls are maturing faster than before, and wearing clothes that accentuate those new curves. Go to a mall, look at the girls who "look" 18, and realize most of those girls are probably 14-15. Sadly this is becoming truer and truer. When my cousin was 12 years old she was completely matured. 12! She couldn't go out anywhere without one of her older brothers accompanying her because she was being hit on by college kids constantly.
People just need to accept it.
duckroll said:
No, I'm wondering why they have to make these character like that. I would have enjoyed something like K-On! a lot more if they didn't have characters that look like grade school kids. I'm pretty sure that show is aimed at an adult male audince, so why? It is really hard to age them a few years? It just seems weird for a seinen series.
RurouniZel
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Azuran said:
You might want to sit down for this.
Japanese people are notorious for looking considerably younger than they actually are. This doesn't magically start at adulthood either. Anime simply reflects this aspect.
Kanon and Air also contain very little porn relative to plot and are EXTREMELY popular in their non-eroge form. Clannad also was quite popular and never contained porn from the first installation. It was just a clean VN. There's actually a VERY old tradition of romanticism without sex in the Western literary culture as well. If moe is being used to drive romanticism, is it bad?Mortrialus said:
cutmeamango
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duckroll said:
Well using Denpa Onna from the chart posted here. From the synopsis the story is about innocent relationships, with some "fan service". And the novel is targeted for midschool, highschool students. So there's nothing wrong with it. As I believe it's the case of those relationship moe iterations.
The wrong is with the fans that are not the actual target for that kind of material, I guess that's what the others here are trying to argument.
And well, Cross Game has a great characterization of childhood. Only mentally ill people would get aroused or anything by that type of representation of child.
Azuran said:
The actual demographic categorization is sorta broken. It's defined as seinen only because the manga runs in a seinen magazine. At the same time, we see more and more manga that's clearly targeted at female audiences starting to run in traditionally shounen or seinen magazines. I don't think the typical male audience would really appreciate stuff like XXXHolic and Black Butler, but they run in those magazines anyway. Fullmetal Alchemist is a very clear shounen manga running in a shounen magazine, but it has a very strong female fanbase as well.
I think ultimately, creators try to make what they think will be popular or what they want to draw, and these days it really doesn't matter what the traditional demographic of a magazine is. Those who are interested in the product will gravitate towards those magazines anyway, which opens the magazine up to a new demographic. It's probably what publishers want to begin with.
Mortrialus
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Salazar said:
I was recommended K-On on the bases that it was a funny Azumanga Diaoh style high school comedy about a music club. If the show was less about being "Cute" for the purposes of selling $150 dollar statues of the characters and more about, I don't know, being funny or actually being based around music I wouldn't have the burning hatred of it that I do now.
spindashing
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What the hell ... happened in here?
RurouniZel
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spindashing said:
Mortrialus
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Branduil said:
Indeed. I don't talk to this person anymore.
Mortrialus
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Salazar said:
I wouldn't. The thing about comedies is that they are supposed to have humor.
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