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Anita Sarkeesian's astounding 'garbage human' moment at Vidcon

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RIP Calm Waterfall. Maybe some self reflection will come to you at some point. We all fall victim to being blinded by our ideals at times. Maybe at some point you'll learn to expand yours.
 
Good on Anita for staying strong through all the bullshit, and good on her for slapping that guy down like the pathetic little bitch he is.

Also, Hbomberguy seems like good people. I enjoy the way he deconstructs these idiots and their arguments with savage humour.
 
Order said:
Didn't he recently defend Jontron
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Yes, he called it just a different opinion that we have to respect.

Look I understand he's gotten harassed too and if his speech was basically just harassment is bad in all forms then that's still a good heart I guess even if he missed the mark. But the fact that he goes on to say in the video that this instance wasn't an identity politics problem? Lol
 
Fudgepuppy said:
Because change is scary.

I remember going to an anime convention like 10 years ago, and two girls I think were there with their boyfriends, sat and played Tekken. They were newbies and had no experience, but were fooling around, giggling and talking about the cute pandas and shit. I remember this made a lot of dudes visibly upset and irritated.

Gaming is like the most toxic cult of them all. It's built by bullied outcasts who know don't want anyone without their scars.

Speaking broadly of course.
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I remember taking my niece to Anime Boston a few years back. She sat down to play, I think Soul Calibur 4 or 5. Some dude sat beside her and decided to play her. She beat him 5-0 with two perfects. He flipped his fucking shit. "Girls shouldn't play games, what are you even doing, don't you know anything except grabbing, why are you even here, etc etc etc." I fell on the floor from laughing so fucking hard.

There are a lot of people who cannot accept the possibility of being immasculated in a medium that, for the last, let's say, 20 years, has been marketed (not sold to but marketed) solely for boys. It is enough to threaten their entire world view.
 
Stiler said:
Then you know nothing of boogie...he does not support any harassment or anything, he even called out the people in the front rows that came there to harass Anita.

He backed away from gamergate a while ago when it started becoming less about the game journalism and more about harassing women like Anita and others, which he does not agree with in any way and has said so years ago.
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Yeah we dealt with boogie before and I won't be kind.
During the height of GG, he couldn't give less of a shit about the harassment if he tried.
He kept posting about how all the negativity was wrong for his health while ignoring that people's lives were transforming into hell in real time.
He also defended Jontron's cleansing of the gene pool like it was an opinion like maybe McDonald food is a bit too salty for his taste.
Fuck him.
 
hitgirl said:
Why do people care? They just went there and sat down, that's within their rights. Matter of fact it makes them look like a bunch of losers that don't have anything more productive to do. The whole death threats and female game conferences being cancelled and everything else is the concerning thing..
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i guess i can see how that's what you make of this situation if you didn't read anything on it at all
 
Chumley said:
These are the lowest of the low. Scum of the earth who have no other purpose in their lives other than harassing people on the internet. They don't have anything to contribute to the world.
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I agree, yet these are the type of people that will vote for Trump, so they do contribute and I dont think you can deal with these people this way because they will feed of the hate.
 
I really hope that what Anita did gives others the courage to stand up against shitters like this. Absolutely in the right to call out people like this. They can't be allowed to feel comfortable and uncontested like they have been.
 
The fact people would spend this much energy, valuable time and money on harassing someone is fucking mind-blowing.

I'm not sure I could be this persistent even with someone who had physically harmed someone in my family or some shit.
 
Order said:
Didn't he recently defend Jontron
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Jontron, Boogie, Sargon, Sky Williams and many other youtubers have all been on a podcast together talking about these topics and each other.

Probably why Jon has been so quiet the past few months because of those discussions.
 
Sargon literally organized a cult of people to actively disrupt, embarrass and harass her... for profit even

This level of sickness is deplorable and spreading like wildfire in this age of information

We are seeing people do this shit everywhere

How do you even fight against it? When every evil corner of the world can collectively organize with ease?
 
Neiteio said:
I like how us wanting people to treat each other with love and kindness makes us "raging dickheads."

What will it take for YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, etc, to stop hosting and enabling content that amounts to hate speech?
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*Love and kindness provided you are of the right social group/privilege

I've not known SJW's to be a particularly caring bunch unless you fit into the set of issues they feel
is important. If you don't then you can generally jolly well fuck off. At least that's been my experiences with people who would identify as such. "We don't like what you say so you shouldn't be allowed to say it."

I don't know why people feel bad for Anita though. She's not a victim. She knows what she's doing and she's milking it while continuing to spout disingenuous half truths or straight up lies. How people can think that she's a good example for women being "oppressed" by western society is beyond me.
 
Ah when did the shitheels become the snowflakes? I thought liberals were the ones who had fragile feelings and didn't want to be argued or debated. Now it seems like racist and sexist pieces of shit are the ones concerned with feelings and mean words.
 
Stiler said:
Then you know nothing of boogie...he does not support any harassment or anything, he even called out the people in the front rows that came there to harass Anita.

He backed away from gamergate a while ago when it started becoming less about the game journalism and more about harassing women like Anita and others, which he does not agree with in any way and has said so years ago.
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Going by the comments in his videos regarding this issue, he has a pretty large GG following, which isn't some coincidence. His nice guy middle of the road I don't wanna make any mad at me approach is getting old. There are plenty of issues to remain neutral on, this isn't one of them. He needs to pick a side, make a stand, or shut the fuck up.
 
DrROBschiz said:
Sargon literally organized a cult of people to actively disrupt, embarrass and harass her... for profit even

This level of sickness is deplorable and spreading like wildfire in this age of information

We are see people do this shit everywhere
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Hey but if you insult them you stoop down to their level!

Just like punching nazis makes you as bad as them, ethnic cleansing and all!
 
Steve.1981 said:
Good on Anita for staying strong through all the bullshit, and good on her for slapping that guy down like the pathetic little bitch he is.

Also, Hbomberguy seems like good people. I enjoy the way he deconstructs these idiots and their arguments with savage humour.
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I've been watching some of his videos since he was mentioned earlier in the thread, he seems like a great guy and it's refreshing to see someone like him on YouTube.
 
Dynasty said:
I agree, yet these are the type of people that will vote for Trump, so they do contribute and I dont think you can deal with these people this way because they will feed of the hate.
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I feel like I'm looking at low quality bait. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

If a group is aggressive (as the activist audience was in this case), and you're also saying it's out of line to call out their bad behavior for what it is as it actively occurs because it will "feed the hate," you're implicitely demanding others do nothing. That's not even a subtle trash opinion.
 
-Ryn said:
*Love and kindness provided you are of the right social group/privilege

I've not known SJW's to be a particularly caring bunch unless you fit into the set of issues they feel
is important. If you don't then you can generally jolly well fuck off. At least that's been my experiences with people who would identify as such. "We don't like what you say so you shouldn't be allowed to say it."

I don't know why people feel bad for Anita though. She's not a victim. She knows what she's doing and she's milking it while continuing to spout disingenuous half truths or straight up lies. How people can think that she's a good example for women being "oppressed" by western society is beyond me.
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Well at least you went all in with the first post

You hit all the checkboxes
 
Yukinari said:
Jontron, Boogie, Sargon, Sky Williams and many other youtubers have all been on a podcast together talking about these topics and each other.

Probably why Jon has been so quiet the past few months because of those discussions.
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I remember seeing people flock to his latest video

"I don't care if you're racist, I support you!"

Such a strange time.
 
-Ryn said:
*Love and kindness provided you are of the right social group/privilege

I've not known SJW's to be a particularly caring bunch unless you fit into the set of issues they feel
is important. If you don't then you can generally jolly well fuck off. At least that's been my experiences with people who would identify as such. "We don't like what you say so you shouldn't be allowed to say it."

I don't know why people feel bad for Anita though. She's not a victim. She knows what she's doing and she's milking it while continuing to spout disingenuous half truths or straight up lies. How people can think that she's a good example for women being "oppressed" by western society is beyond me.
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This thread is over 700 posts deep.

I am hoping to whatever deity you chose to believe in (or none at all) this post is ironic.
 
Adam_Vania said:
this is nonsense. fantasy. if everyone agreed then there would be no need for discussion. that there is debate is not evidence things are going wrong. this is what is called discussion. a discussion does not require that everyone agree.

this is necessary. we have lived for thousands of years without having to hear the views of people we disagree with. not just the views, the daily thoughts of every single person on the internet, discussing this stuff. this is a huge paradigm shift for the social history of mankind.

the internet is a recent development. right now it is hitting us the hardest. it feels like things are falling apart. but we will realize that disagreeing is not the end of the world. in the end more people will hearing more perspectives. technology enabling mass instant communication will likely drive us to a more egalitarian society. imo this is an inevitability and civil rights movements like feminism are futurist-isms, glimpses of life in the future
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I am considering history. Looking at feminism, and their push for more rights, was about equality. It is in the history books with this (even with official documents sign stating such wording). This sends a different message (a positive one VS the toxic argument today) than the female VS male narrative, which all it does is accomplish marginalizing the male counter part, and victimizing females. It's no wonder no sane conversation is to be had, and the narrative tone was set 5 years ago

It's just my opinion. Not going to sit here and argue about it, because to be quite frank, it's an argument no side will ever settle on (unless the people obviously agree). I also have no horse in this race, as I want true equality.

If you want cites, dating back all the way back to the early 1900's, I can provide, but they are easily found. True equality is written all over these documents, I do not see why it cannot be a focus now. I mean, it has made great strides before.
 
Stiler said:
He backed away from gamergate a while ago when it started becoming less about the game journalism and more about harassing women.
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He still appears to be in denial of the reality that it was never about the former and from the very beginning, an organized campaign focused on the latter. This is what I mean when I say "true believer." He actually, genuinely, fully believed (and apparently continues to believe) that GG started out as a movement about the state of the enthusiast press, and that all there was some common ground that could be shared between the toxic cesspool bred on reddit/4ch and their hitlist of women who just happened to have their thoughts about video games recorded on the internet.

Taken this way, boogie never made good on the damage he did.
 
Fisty said:
Ah when did the shitheels become the snowflakes? I thought liberals were the ones who had fragile feelings and didn't want to be argued or debated. Now it seems like racist and sexist pieces of shit are the ones concerned with feelings and mean words.
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They were always the snowflakes Fisty. They were ALWAYS the snowflakes.
 
StaticJam said:
He defended JonTron wanting to cleanse the gene pool by saying we should all try out new ideas like he is.

Boogie can burn in hell for eternity.
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I wouldn't use words like burn in hell but yea people need to pay attention to the shit these YouTube bros do. They don't talk shit about each other, are still buddies and they preach be kind to one another except for when they are harassing or being shitty to others, then it's crickets. They are just playing the fence sitting game and they know exactly what they are doing to keep their alt right followers happy. They never denounce this shit, Boogie is the friend that will stand by and watch you get robbed and stabbed and do nothing.
 
-Ryn said:
*Love and kindness provided you are of the right social group/privilege

I've not known SJW's to be a particularly caring bunch unless you fit into the set of issues they feel
is important. If you don't then you can generally jolly well fuck off. At least that's been my experiences with people who would identify as such. "We don't like what you say so you shouldn't be allowed to say it."

I don't know why people feel bad for Anita though. She's not a victim. She knows what she's doing and she's milking it while continuing to spout disingenuous half truths or straight up lies. How people can think that she's a good example for women being "oppressed" by western society is beyond me.
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Yooo

Please let the door hit you on your way out.
 
I do feel like people gotta stop using GG as a weird boogieman, shit happened but the people who harrassed were always there. GG was a sort of catalyst but that's about it. Fuckboys have always been around and going after minotities or woman for trying to get more representation in this field.

Shit ain't start with Quinn or Anita, shit needs to stop tho. Period. It's fucking video games shit ain't that deep.
 
Stiler said:
Then you know nothing of boogie...he does not support any harassment or anything, he even called out the people in the front rows that came there to harass Anita.

He backed away from gamergate a while ago when it started becoming less about the game journalism and more about harassing women like Anita and others, which he does not agree with in any way and has said so years ago.
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When you're saying this about the shit Jontron said:
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then that tells me everything I need to know. Btw GG was NEVER about games journalism, it was ALWAYS about harassing women.
 
-Ryn said:
*Love and kindness provided you are of the right social group/privilege

I've not known SJW's to be a particularly caring bunch unless you fit into the set of issues they feel
is important. If you don't then you can generally jolly well fuck off. At least that's been my experiences with people who would identify as such. "We don't like what you say so you shouldn't be allowed to say it."

I don't know why people feel bad for Anita though. She's not a victim. She knows what she's doing and she's milking it while continuing to spout disingenuous half truths or straight up lies. How people can think that she's a good example for women being "oppressed" by western society is beyond me.
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Boy howdy.
 
I caught bits and pieces of this over the last few days.

The "we didn't even do anything", woe is me nonsense from Sargon is laughable. You've engendered people to harass her, if not done so yourself, and she should, what, wave and smile at you?

They showed up to the talk, not because they cared, but to harass with their presense, even if with coy smiles when met with eye-contant. Fine, be an asshole, but don't trip yourself and call over the referee when passive aggressive bullshit is met with an insult.
 
Dynasty said:
I agree, yet these are the type of people that will vote for Trump, so they do contribute and I dont think you can deal with these people this way because they will feed of the hate.
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You can't deal with them in any way, full stop. We (liberals) tried for years, even before Trump. They don't listen to reason or rational thought and its only gotten worse. They just want to inflict misery on liberals, women, you name it. Trump is an instrument for the pain they so badly want to inflict on all these people they feel have deeply wronged them, or are responsible for the unhappiness in their lives. That's why nothing Trump does changes their mind, and why his promises and his policies ultimately mean nothing at the end of the day. They know that liberals and progressives are suffering as long as he's in power, and that's so important to them that they're willing to sacrifice literally everything else in exchange. Everything. Even relationships. That's the level of hate we're dealing with and why there's no way to ever make some kind of middle ground with them.
 
-Ryn said:
*Love and kindness provided you are of the right social group/privilege

I've not known SJW's to be a particularly caring bunch unless you fit into the set of issues they feel
is important. If you don't then you can generally jolly well fuck off. At least that's been my experiences with people who would identify as such. "We don't like what you say so you shouldn't be allowed to say it."

I don't know why people feel bad for Anita though. She's not a victim. She knows what she's doing and she's milking it while continuing to spout disingenuous half truths or straight up lies. How people can think that she's a good example for women being "oppressed" by western society is beyond me.
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Oh dear, are you one of those "you feminazis should be happy we don't make you wear hijabs and marry your uncles at the age of 13! Misogyny doesn't exist in the West" guys?
 
Crossing Eden said:
When you're saying this about the shit Jontron said:
boogie2988_middle_by_digi_matrix-db3h3ud.gif


then that tells me everything I need to know.
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I can't wait to learn from JonTron!
Wouldn't that be swell?

Maybe we can land at "Only SOME black people have a literal crime gene"? That sounds like a nice middle, doesn't it
 
hitgirl said:
Why do people care? They just went there and sat down, that's within their rights. Matter of fact it makes them look like a bunch of losers that don't have anything more productive to do. The whole death threats and female game conferences being cancelled and everything else is the concerning thing..
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Baffling.

Fantastapotamus said:
I can't wait to learn from JonTron!
Wouldn't that be swell?
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That guy says that discrimination is justified, the other guy says discrimination is bad. The answer must be in the middle! Aren't I smart and good? Please subscribe.
 
-Ryn said:
*Love and kindness provided you are of the right social group/privilege

I've not known SJW's to be a particularly caring bunch unless you fit into the set of issues they feel
is important. If you don't then you can generally jolly well fuck off. At least that's been my experiences with people who would identify as such. "We don't like what you say so you shouldn't be allowed to say it."

I don't know why people feel bad for Anita though. She's not a victim. She knows what she's doing and she's milking it while continuing to spout disingenuous half truths or straight up lies. How people can think that she's a good example for women being "oppressed" by western society is beyond me.
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I honestly don't understand why VidCon didn't see this coming. The statement they said Green gave was a joke - they were unaware of the context surrounding Anita? They were unaware that their convention for YouTubers might contain some of the YouTubers whose output consist of raging at every little thing she and other women do? They were unaware, specifically, that one of the biggest YouTubers associated with GamerGate at one time might pull this shit?
 
Hes in too deep now

the money is too good in its corruptive influence and validation

Its a clear conflict of interest. Makes me wonder how he spends it
 
Dynheart said:
I am considering history. Looking at feminism, and their push for more rights, was about equality. It is in the history books with this (even with official documents sign stating such wording). This sends a different message (a positive one VS the toxic argument today) than the female VS male narrative, which all it does is accomplish marginalizing the male counter part, and victimizing females. It's no wonder no sane conversation is to be had, and the narrative tone was set 5 years ago

It's just my opinion. Not going to sit here and argue about it, because to be quite frank, it's an argument no side will ever settle on (unless the people obviously agree). I also have no horse in this race, as I want true equality.

If you want cites, dating back all the way back to the early 1900's, I can provide, but they are easily found. True equality is written all over these documents, I do not see why it cannot be a focus now. I mean, it has made great strides before.
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"all lives matter"
 
Crossing Eden said:
When you're saying this about the shit Jontron said:
boogie2988_middle_by_digi_matrix-db3h3ud.gif


then that tells me everything I need to know.
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He then went on to say later that he didn't know what Jontron said before making that video. I'm glad we have his informed opinion to guide us

But Anita Sarkeesian was wrong about Hitman Absolution so disregard everything she says.
 
-Ryn said:
*Love and kindness provided you are of the right social group/privilege

I've not known SJW's to be a particularly caring bunch unless you fit into the set of issues they feel
is important. If you don't then you can generally jolly well fuck off. At least that's been my experiences with people who would identify as such. "We don't like what you say so you shouldn't be allowed to say it."
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Now, I won't go in on you because I have known some people who classify themselves as SJW's who, when the rubber hit the road, turned out to be completely insufferable (you donating to charity and helping out at battered women's shelders makes us feel bad because we can't do it due to our funds/schedule [come the fuck on]), BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT...

think about the stuff you're saying and ask yourself, "is this something for open conversation? can I trust these epeople with my brand of humor?" Because often times the answer is just...no, you can't. I'm guity of it, one of my bans from here was due to slurs that I no longer use. It's all part of growing up.
I don't know why people feel bad for Anita though. She's not a victim. She knows what she's doing and she's milking it while continuing to spout disingenuous half truths or straight up lies. How people can think that she's a good example for women being "oppressed" by western society is beyond me.
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OH you sweet summer child, you had me and you lost me.
 
Boogie is a fence sitter who thinks there's a "middle ground" between Trump and the left. He can go fuck himself for eternity.
 
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