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[UltimaPooh]

you aren't going to get sued if you install CFW.

Isn't that why GEOHOT is being sued?

 

[phosphor112]

May I introduce you to my very good friend, Sarcasm?

Sorry, it's hard to tell when people here actually have that sort of mentality.

Which one?

I didn't say you had to sell your PS3, it's yours you own it and hopefully that will still be the same through out the rest of history.

Perhaps I might have been harsh that people are actively supporting Sony's business practices by using PSN. The problem is that losing PSN is not a big deal especially if such actions by Anon assists in you keeping your consumer rights.

That is if you care about your consumer rights.

Let me break this sentence down for you. "The problem is that losing PSN is not a big deal." For me, it is. I don't have all fucking day to wait for PSN to come back up, neither does countless other users. Same mentality as "losing OtherOS isn't a big deal." EXACT same mentality. So, that point is hypocrisy at it's finest. Secondly, "...such actions by Anon assists in you keeping your consumer rights." How? Please, explain, how the fuck does DDOSing servers that CONSUMERS use help consumer rights? Do you think Sony will fold under pressure or pursue more legal action under the current legal laws? If you want better consumer rights, sticking it to Sony isn't getting you shit.

 

[alr1ght]

Isn't that why GEOHOT is being sued?

no.

 

[ClosingADoor]

My over arching point aside from a tangent that I had is that you can't equivocate what Anon is doing to killing thousands. There is definitely a gray scale when it comes to colateral damage and whether or not it is acceptable.

It isn't really hurting anyone, but it's just fucking annoying.

What happened to making some signs and camping out before a company headquarters to make your point? Pressing a button from your home makes 'activism' too easy.

 

[NullPointer]

Microsoft is capable of keeping people off of their service that abuse it. Why couldn't Sony? I'm not saying people don't have a case for keeping hackers and homebrewers off of PSN because they clearly do. What I don't think should ever be allowed is the inability to modify your own hardware since you OWN it as opposed to not owing software.

I don't know of anybody trying to stop people from modifying their hardware. Its bypassing the security of the software that's causing the ruckus.

 

[Averon]

What? People are actually supporting this? How will this "protect" consumer rights by DDOSing a service that many, many people enjoy despite what some may think? If hackers started stealing CC numbers from PSN as "revenge", I wouldn't be surprised if some would be ok with that.

 

[UltimaPooh]

What does anything you just said have to do with DDoSing a website?

It doesn't.

 

[UltimaPooh]

no.

So you could install CFW without modified hardware before GEOHOT found the keys to the PS3 firmware?

 

[H_Prestige]

Can't sign in. Was really looking forward to some KZ2 tonight.

Isn't that why GEOHOT is being sued?

He got sued for distributing private security information on the ps3 while forgetting to stay anonymous.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

My over arching point aside from a tangent that I had is that you can't equivocate what Anon is doing to killing thousands. There is definitely a gray scale when it comes to colateral damage and whether or not it is acceptable.

again. you missed the point.

collateral damage is never acceptable.

 

[lupinko]

Isn't that why GEOHOT is being sued?

lol no.

 

[UltimaPooh]

again. you missed the point.

collateral damage is never acceptable.

:lol

Wow.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I've actually read of a few companies getting hacked today.

 

[MrPliskin]

So you could install CFW without modified hardware before GEOHOT found the keys to the PS3 firmware?

I think you've proven your worth to this thread, lol.

 

[RustyNails]

What? People are actually supporting this? How will this "protect" consumer rights by DDOSing a service that many, many people enjoy despite what some may think? If hackers started stealing CC numbers from PSN as "revenge", I wouldn't be surprised if some would be ok with that.

People think its fight the powah type stuff or something, similar to ddosing scientology websites.

 

[Inanna]

Let me break this sentence down for you. "The problem is that losing PSN is not a big deal." For me, it is. I don't have all fucking day to wait for PSN to come back up, neither does countless other users. Same mentality as "losing OtherOS isn't a big deal." EXACT same mentality. So, that point is hypocrisy at it's finest. Secondly, "...such actions by Anon assists in you keeping your consumer rights." How? Please, explain, how the fuck does DDOSing servers that CONSUMERS use help consumer rights? Do you think Sony will fold under pressure or pursue more legal action under the current legal laws? If you want better consumer rights, sticking it to Sony isn't getting you shit.

Watch him ignore this post, oh wait he already did.
Hypocrites!

 

[alr1ght]

So you could install CFW without modified hardware before GEOHOT found the keys to the PS3 firmware?

zuh?

He's being sued for posting the keys/modified firmware. If you, yourself install his firmware, you're not going to get sued.

If you were to host the modified firmware/keys, then you could get sued.

 

[UltimaPooh]

I think you've proven your worth to this thread, lol.

All news articles point to him just jailbreaking it and not exploiting the PSN service personally.

zuh?

He's being sued for posting the keys/modified firmware. If you, yourself install his firmware, you're not going to get sued.

If you were to host the modified firmware/keys, then you could get sued.

Which shouldn't be illegal especially since iPhone jailbreakers do it and the courts agreed with them as long as they weren't used for piracy purposes.

 

[Emitan]

People think its fight the powah type stuff or something, similar to ddosing scientology websites.

At least when they were DDoSing scientology website they were attacking websites of an organization that indoctrinated people into slave labor. Now they're stopping people from playing video games online. Keep fighting the good fight, anons!

 

[MrPliskin]

All news articles point to him just jailbreaking it and not exploiting the PSN service personally.

It's because he "stole" (hacked and found) copyrighted information (in Sony's PS3 OS) and modified it / redistributed it without the expressed consent of Sony. If he would have kept it to himself, he'd be fine, or if he'd remained anonymous.

You clearly don't have a good grasp on a lot of things going on in this thread, or with this "situation" in general.

 

[Snuggles]

I've been loosely following this, but I've never really had an opinion on the matter.

Last night, I wanted to watch a goddamn movie and I had to wait at least 10 minutes for another security update to install. I have been indirectly effected by this by having my time wasted, therefore it's in my best interest to see that shit locked down.

Kill 'em all, Sony. Come down on them like the hammer of Thor.

 

[RustyNails]

It's because he "stole" (hacked and found) copyrighted information (in Sony's PS3 OS) and modified it / redistributed it without the expressed consent of Sony. If he would have kept it to himself, he'd be fine, or if he'd remained anonymous.

You clearly don't have a good grasp on a lot of things going on in this thread, or with this "situation" in general.

Didn't he also email Sony and told them 'hey hire me if you want your shit secure'? I thought Sony was also angling at that point as well in the court, or did they drop it?

 

[alr1ght]

Which shouldn't be illegal especially since iPhone jailbreakers do it and the courts agreed with them as long as they weren't used for piracy purposes.

well that's what this case is for.

 

[Emitan]

I've been loosely following this, but I've never really had an opinion on the matter.

Last night, I wanted to watch a goddamn movie and I had to wait at least 10 minutes for another security update to install. I have been indirectly effected by this by having my time wasted, therefore it's in my best interest to see that shit locked down.

Kill 'em all, Sony. Come down on them like the hammer of Thor.

Oh shit I almost believed you. We need a crash before this shit gets out of hand.

 

[linkboy]

It doesn't matter whether it's video games or not. Remember when they attacked Visa and Mastercard? There's no guarantee where these guys will strike next for whatever childish reason they come up with. You might still be inconvenienced by them in the future.

Its not these tards, its a lot more then that. I just don't get the enjoyment out of gaming that I used to. I don't have time to devote myself to a game anymore (having a baby will do that).

Its just not fun to me anymore.

 

[Snuggles]

Oh shit I almost believed you. We need a crash before this shit gets out of hand.

Serious.

I guess I should have noted that I wanted to watch a movie using the VUDU on-demand thing, so I was required to get on PSN to be able to stream it.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

man Anonymous is so cool and sweet and they're doing such a good thing for HUMANITY by their efforts to break the law because they're mad that a company is taking legal action against someone who also broke the law and, by a simple coincidence, is also a huge tardface.

*salute*




Alt: Gamers these days have some FUCKED up priorities.

Exactly how I feel, love you how say it though.

 

[MrPliskin]

Didn't he also email Sony and told them 'hey hire me if you want your shit secure'? I thought Sony was also angling at that point as well in the court, or did they drop it?

That, I'm not aware of. I only know the general points, so that very well may be.

 

[Zoe]

Which shouldn't be illegal especially since iPhone jailbreakers do it and the courts agreed with them as long as they weren't used for piracy purposes.

That is only legal because cell-phones, and cell-phones only, have a 3-year exemption from the DMCA. At the end of the 3 years, that exemption will either be extended or will disappear.

Consoles still have another 2 years before having a chance at being legally modifiable.

 

[Averon]

People think its fight the powah type stuff or something, similar to ddosing scientology websites.

And look how "successful" they were with doing that. You'd think some supporting this action would get a clue. This is just going to make Sony dig in their heels.

 

[phosphor112]

Watch him ignore this post, oh wait he already did.
Hypocrites!

Lol, ignored it has been.

 

[linsivvi]

I didn't say you had to sell your PS3, it's yours you own it and hopefully that will still be the same through out the rest of history.

Perhaps I might have been harsh that people are actively supporting Sony's business practices by using PSN. The problem is that losing PSN is not a big deal especially if such actions by Anon assists in you keeping your consumer rights.

That is if you care about your consumer rights.

Anonymous has no rights to make that choice for me, and millions of other people, nor do they have any right to define what constitutes MY consumer rights.

Your post makes no sense.

Its not these tards, its a lot more then that. I just don't get the enjoyment out of gaming that I used to. I don't have time to devote myself to a game anymore (having a baby will do that).

Its just not fun to me anymore.

Which is fine and all that. Everyone has their own priorities. However, if it's not these people then your post doesn't really have anything to do with this thread.

 

[Noshino]

man Anonymous is so cool and sweet and they're doing such a good thing for HUMANITY by their efforts to break the law because they're mad that a company is taking legal action against someone who also broke the law and, by a simple coincidence, is also a huge tardface.

*salute*




Alt: Gamers these days have some FUCKED up priorities.

Seriously, not only is it upsetting that gamers have a huge sense of entitlement, but the worst part is that those things that we wanted for so long, gaming priorities such as

Region free gaming
Easily replaceable HDDs
Compatibility with most standard USB/Bluetooth devices
Sharing accounts (and content) between multiple devices

have already been given, but yah, OtherOS is taken because of some spoiled kid and holy fuck! my rights! my consumer rights!

Pisses me off that now the manufacturers are more likely to spend even more money on security than on anything else :C



Shame that terms such as "consumer rights" don't hold the same weight as they used to, thanks to some self entitled pricks that use them to rail people to their stupid causes.

 

[Mithos]

Anonymous has no rights to make that choice for me, and millions of other people, nor do they have any right to define what constitutes MY consumer rights.

Someone else making a choice for you, now where have I seen this before....

 

[Noshino]

Someone else making a choice for you, now where have I seen this before....

on the thread title!

 

[Snuggles]

Region free gaming
Easily replaceable HDDs
Compatibility with most standard USB/Bluetooth devices
Sharing accounts (and content) between multiple devices

Not to be a chicken little or whatever, but it would be a shame if the next generation Playstation loses some of the features because of all this hubbub. This is why we can't have nice things, there's always gotta be a few dickcheeses that ruin it for the rest of us (the same could be said for all the legit PS3 hackers out there).

 

[enzo_gt]

I know! But it's the principle of the thing, don't you see? They're setting a golden standard so the PEOPLE WILL RISE UP against the tyranny, of, um, companies who... um... make sure people aren't breaking the law while using their services while also potentially damaging their business. And also helping people destroy the relative stability of online gaming by allowing in a new horde of cheating fuckfaces who complete annihilate competitive play

Yeah the comparison to Scientology is pretty accurate. The same way they exposed Scientology as a huge joke, they've exposed how Sony will stoop down to Geohot's level in the level of bullshit they bring to the case at hand. From OtherOS to this, it still amazes me to this day.

Oh and everybody loses. Geohot is a talented man with a fucked up [everything else], and Sony is a legal powerhouse fighting to prevent the inevitable. Yeah, this is going places.

 

[SciencePilot]

Anonymous never ceases to amuse me. I hope they don't get into too much trouble though, or people will start to blame the whole internet.

 

[John Rabbit]

Anonymous never ceases to amuse me. I hope they don't get into too much trouble though, or people will start to blame the whole internet.

precisely why i think anonymous is full of shit. or terribly terribly misguided.

 

[spons]

Not to be a chicken little or whatever, but it would be a shame if the next generation Playstation loses some of the features because of all this hubbub. This is why we can't have nice things, there's always gotta be a few dickcheeses that ruin it for the rest of us (the same could be said for all the legit PS3 hackers out there).

It would give Sony the opportunity to abuse the situation, yes.

 

[Mithos]

on the thread title!

Aww, come on you should have been able to make a better guess on what I meant.

 

[Averon]

Seriously, not only is it upsetting that gamers have a huge sense of entitlement, but the worst part is that those things that we wanted for so long, gaming priorities such as

Region free gaming
Easily replaceable HDDs
Compatibility with most standard USB/Bluetooth devices
Sharing accounts (and content) between multiple devices

have already been given, but yah, OtherOS is taken because of some spoiled kid and holy fuck! my rights! my consumer rights!

Pisses me off that now the manufacturers are more likely to spend even more money on security than on anything else :C



Shame that terms such as "consumer rights" don't hold the same weight as they used to, thanks to some self entitled pricks that use them to rail people to their stupid causes.

Exactly. One of the big three finally dips their toes in open hardware and look what happened. MS is making a killing off its closed box (why would they change with the Xbox 720?) and Nintendo will never make hardware anywhere close to as open as the PS3 was. Making the PS3 a moderately open platform blew up in Sony's face. The PS4 and NGP will be locked tight. Pretty damn sad all around.

 

[Chrange]

Didn't he also email Sony and told them 'hey hire me if you want your shit secure'? I thought Sony was also angling at that point as well in the court, or did they drop it?

Sony modified his quote to make it appear he had targeted them, when in reality he made an open offer to any of the three manufacturers to help them make their next generation more secure.

Thankfully there's no laws against modifying someone's words in legal documents

Exactly. One of the big three finally dips their toes in open hardware and look what happened. MS is making a killing off its closed box (why would they change with the Xbox 720?) and Nintendo will never make hardware anywhere close to as open as the PS3 was. Making the PS3 a moderately open platform blew up in their faces. The PS4 and NGP will be locked tight. Pretty damn sad all around.

How much of Sony's problems this gen are a result of making their hardware more open? I'd guess roughly zero. If they make it a more closed-off platform next gen, it's not because it hurt them this gen at all.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

"legal laws" has to be the best thing I've ever heard

 

[Christine]

"legal laws" has to be the best thing I've ever heard

Well, there are the legal laws and then there are the illegal ones.

 

[NullPointer]

Making the PS3 a moderately open platform blew up in Sony's face. The PS4 and NGP will be locked tight. Pretty damn sad all around.

That is truly the saddest part of all of this.

 

[Chrange]

Well, there are the legal laws and then there are the illegal ones.

Man that reminds me of Rumsfeld's infamous: "There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know."

 

[jetjevons]

Playstation.com really is down. Wow.

 

[onQ123]

do these fools realize that this is considered an act of terror & that they can get in more trouble than just being sued by Sony if they are caught?

 

[SapientWolf]

Exactly. One of the big three finally dips their toes in open hardware and look what happened. MS is making a killing off its closed box (why would they change with the Xbox 720?) and Nintendo will never make hardware anywhere close to as open as the PS3 was. Making the PS3 a moderately open platform blew up in Sony's face. The PS4 and NGP will be locked tight. Pretty damn sad all around.

This didn't happen because the platform was relatively open. This happened solely because of their own ineptness.