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Anonymous hacking group to target Sony? [PlayStation.com Goes Down]

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Zeouterlimits said:
There's an odd/depressing lack of middle ground in a large majority of the posts here.

My Point of View:
Sony was wrong to remove OtherOS.
Homebrew should be allowed and not stopped.
Piracy is despicable, selfish and should be stopped.
People should fight for OtherOS, but not at significant cost to other users.
Playstation.com going down is not a significant cost.
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The point is that what Anon is doing is ridiculous. You're probably right in this regard. I don't think Sony was "wrong," but I think they made a dumb kneejerk decision based on a likely non-threat to their business. But at least they had some business justification for their actions. Anon is just retarded. For the record I thought they were retarded for attacks during the wikileaks controversy too. These things should be solved with civil discourse. Not cyber threats.
 
blaccat said:
Ok, so how would I know they are not making unauthorised copies?
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How the fuck do overbroad EULAs help you stop people from making unauthorized copies?

If there is no restriction stopping them, you act like everyone is a saint and they abide by the law.
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Because the restrictions in place do such a good job stopping them, right?

Again, if you're truly against "reproducing my property in different formats without my permission." you must be against the DVR and DVD recorders, right? Everyone who's ever taped a TV show to watch later? Everyone who's ever ripped CD to MP3? Funny, Sony losing the Betamax case didn't seem to drive them out of business.
 
faceless007 said:
Again, if you're truly against "reproducing my property in different formats without my permission." you must be against the DVR and DVD recorders, right? Everyone who's ever taped a TV show to watch later? Everyone who's ever ripped CD to MP3? Funny, Sony losing the Betamax case didn't seem to drive them out of business.
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What if I'm just against the distribution of copies of my work....? Wouldn't it make sense that I oppose technologies which promote copying for the purpose of disbursement?
 
blaccat said:
Ok, so how would I know they are not making unauthorised copies?

If there is no restriction stopping them, you act like everyone is a saint and they abide by the law.

Just look at music downloading.
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What is your suggestion as a solution?

Here in the UK, I break the law to rip my legally bought CDs to FLAC/MP3 files, so I am making unauthorised copies. It's trivial to do it as there is no restriction stopping me in terms of the technology. Years ago when I used to buy music on vinyl, I would record it to tapes and then play those tapes instead of the records. I could make my own compilations and tape players were portable, while record players weren't. That was illegal too though and if I couldn't have done it, it would have affected my experience of enjoying music so much that I wouldn't have bought as much of it.

When companies have taken steps to try and stop people from ripping CDs (Sony's rootkit scandal, for example), people go nuts about it and the companies back down. Apple used to protect all of the music on iTunes with DRM, but now it's all DRM-free. To me, that's a step forward for the consumer, not a step back. You're never going to be able to stop piracy, so why punish the consumers that are willing to pay for content? These companies have to be reasonable and some are - You can buy a Blu-Ray now and get a DVD and digital copy included which is great, but why is it bad if I buy the Blu-Ray and make my own digital copy if it's just for me to use?
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
I'm not talking about a moral code for the creator. I'm talking about making it worth it to create something so that you can profit off of it. If I make something and then only sell one copy that immediately hits a torrent website that everyone is on then there is no reason to make the software in the first place. You need to balance the effort put in with the profit reaped.
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I'll agree that the cash needs to meet or exceed the effort, but by and large the filesharing "war" is over. At least for this generation, next will be a new ballgame.

And my position on filesharing is that the consumer should ultimately decide if it stays or goes. It should not be left up to corporations and influenced lawmakers to decide. If piracy sticks around for 30 years, that needs to be a decision the consumer makes and bears the consequences for...that decision should not be made for them. At least in a free market. The market should be free to react and offer alternative/competition for an honest price/honest service but I do not believe the market supersedes the consumer. It should never dictate social or technological change.
 
endlessflood said:
So is the PSN down at the moment or is everything OK again?


Playing devil's advocate, I didn't create the underpants I'm wearing but I'm pretty sure I own them, not licence them.
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A better example would be:

You don't own your licence to drive, even though you probably spent money on your "drivers licence".
 
surly said:
What is your suggestion as a solution?

Here in the UK, I break the law to rip my legally bought CDs to FLAC/MP3 files, so I am making unauthorised copies. It's trivial to do it as there is no restriction stopping me in terms of the technology. Years ago when I used to buy music on vinyl, I would record it to tapes and then play those tapes instead of the records. I could make my own compilations and tape players were portable, while record players weren't. That was illegal too though and if I couldn't have done it, it would have affected my experience of enjoying music so much that I wouldn't have bought as much of it.

When companies have taken steps to try and stop people from ripping CDs (Sony's rootkit scandal, for example), people go nuts about it and the companies back down. Apple used to protect all of the music on iTunes with DRM, but now it's all DRM-free. To me, that's a step forward for the consumer, not a step back. You're never going to be able to stop piracy, so why punish the consumers that are willing to pay for content? These companies have to be reasonable and some are - You can buy a Blu-Ray now and get a DVD and digital copy included which is great, but why is it bad if I buy the Blu-Ray and make my own digital copy if it's just for me to use?
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I do fully understand still but point is that these companies are within there rights trying to protect their property.

Consumers then have to let their feelings known by keeping their money in their pockets, that would probably get the desired reaction from the companies. It always was works like you pointed out.

Saying its your right to duplicate what ever you want because you paid for one copy is wrong.
 
endlessflood said:
So is the PSN down at the moment or is everything OK again?


Playing devil's advocate, I didn't create the underpants I'm wearing but I'm pretty sure I own them, not licence them.
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You do not own the labels on it and you can not reproduce your trouser with the same ease as burning a CD.
 
itxaka said:
Which they keep expanding while ours, the guys which feed them are being reduced thanks to them. Seems that their rights are above us, mere consumers.
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When you buy a game console, you expect to play games on said console. The manufacturer expects you to pay for the game. What has Sony done to break these expectations?
 
ViralMarketingDrone said:
I'm still amazed by how many people here unconditionally love faceless multi-billion dollar corporations.
Pretty sure some of those dudes are on certain paylists.
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Man, I wish I could get paid for loving Sony.
 
ViralMarketingDrone said:
I'm still amazed by how many people here unconditionally love faceless multi-billion dollar corporations.
Pretty sure some of those dudes are on certain paylists.
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I´m amazed about people coming with comments like that... Do you make ANY money..?

I´m not in love with any corporations.. I just bought a PS3 to be able to play PS3 games, and yesterday that was not possible, because some self righteous bottomdwellers decided to break the law..
 
ViralMarketingDrone said:
I'm still amazed by how many people here unconditionally love faceless multi-billion dollar corporations.
Pretty sure some of those dudes are on certain paylists.
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First, I don't think recognizing that copyright at some level fosters new creative endeavors (aka games, movies, music) is unconditional love for faceless corporations.

Second, "faceless corporation" is such a loaded term. Plenty of families are well supported by these "faceless corporations." They have plenty faces, people just don't care about them. Think about the developers at Sony, or even a multimillion company like Chillingo. They don't have very many employees at all. I think the developer that made Cut the Rope has like 16 employees. I can tell you those people have a strong interest in these issues and their company is tiny. (Full Disclosure: They're in Russia, but the point still stands.)
 
Wait is this why PSN went screwy on me last night? Nothing in the store would load properly without visiting multiple times. I have never had that happen before.
 
CtTRNl.jpg


This beautiful face would never lie to me. >:(
 
Has it been confirmed that Annon DoS'ed PSN servers? I was on last night and things seemed fine. Granted, I was on EU servers so....
 
faceless007 said:
How the fuck do overbroad EULAs help you stop people from making unauthorized copies?


Because the restrictions in place do such a good job stopping them, right?
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You are all over the place with your argument, I was referring to copyrights not invasive agreements.
 
blaccat said:
You do not own the labels on it and you can not reproduce your trouser with the same ease as burning a CD.
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IP Law: Confusing people to the point that they seriously think they somehow don't own the labels on their goddamn underwear
 
fadetoblack said:
Has it been confirmed that Annon DoS'ed PSN servers? I was on last night and things seemed fine. Granted, I was on EU servers so....
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nothing has been "confirmed".. But I could not login to PSN around 22 UK time til 23.30 UK time.. and I had a strange PSN error code 8071053D.. but I was able to log in after 23.30 UK time... And I am in the Faroe Islands (that´s Europe)
 
ViralMarketingDrone said:
I'm still amazed by how many people here unconditionally love faceless multi-billion dollar corporations.
Pretty sure some of those dudes are on certain paylists.
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Tell me more, ViralMarketingDrone.
 
UltimaPooh said:
Exceptions can be put into the DMCA.

and I'm sure they can make a case for the "Testing Security Clause."
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The only "testing security" exemption that exists is so that you can replace faulty security measures when the original software contains a hole that poses a security risk.

You really gonna argue that consoles firmwares pose security risks?
 
ViralMarketingDrone said:
I'm still amazed by how many people here unconditionally love faceless multi-billion dollar corporations.
Pretty sure some of those dudes are on certain paylists.
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ViralMarketingDrone
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Obviously, if you want to use PSN, and you don't like that some nerds that believe to be over the law block that service that you use daily, you have to be paid by Sony.

Is not possible that you simply wanted to use PSN.
 
DangerousDave said:
ViralMarketingDrone
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(Today, 09:11 AM)

Obviously, if you want to use PSN, and you don't like that some nerds that believe to be over the law block that service that you use daily, you have to be paid by Sony.

Is not possible that you simply wanted to use PSN.
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Are you talking about the good nerds, like us, or the bad nerds?
 
Zeouterlimits said:
I doubt anyone can. The personal line is a stupid one to leap over.
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Yeah, no. That's a line that shouldn't be crossed. Especially since they will never know the names of those who initiated anything against Hotz or anyone else. The ones to suffer are going to be people who don't have anything to do with anything....
 
snap0212 said:
Yeah, no. That's a line that shouldn't be crossed. Especially since they will never know the names of those who initiated anything against Hotz or anyone else. The ones to suffer are going to be people who don't have anything to do with anything....
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But they started by working for Sony.

They didn't. This is nuts

I'm guessing two wrongs make a right, or something?
 
Averon said:
This shit is really making me despise the GeHot side.
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Which is also the wrong thing. Both sides can be wrong. It's not like just because one side is doing something really bad, the other side is automatically right.
 
kamorra said:
Really now, the past was sooo much better!
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Don't get me started on that lol
Seriously though I just can't understand people who believe such actions are acceptable, and to be honest I will be far more upset if they are able to do it - and all because of a few hacked ps3's...
 
Hanmik said:
nothing has been "confirmed".. But I could not login to PSN around 22 UK time til 23.30 UK time.. and I had a strange PSN error code 8071053D.. but I was able to log in after 23.30 UK time... And I am in the Faroe Islands (that´s Europe)
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Hrm... I guess I might have been on a different server that was unaffected? UK here. I was logged in during that entire time plus or minus half an hour either way.
 
If you purchase a product ( not rent/lease ) you should be able to do whatever you want with it. If you want to hack it and find flaws in the product you should have the right to do that. Sounds like GeoHot essentially found loopholes in the product in the same sense that Sony's lawyers are trying to find loopholes in the law to sue his ass
 
DangerousDave said:
I'm a geek, man

http://www.heromachine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Nerd_Dork_Geek_Venn_Diagram.png
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Aww come on, deep down, we are all nerds.


Solid_Rain said:
Don't get me started on that lol
Seriously though I just can't understand people who believe such actions are acceptable, and to be honest I will be far more upset if they are able to do it - and all because of a few hacked ps3's...
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Well yeah, the personal attacks aren't cool. And I'm absolutely pro homebrew.
 
blaccat said:
You do not own the labels on it and you can not reproduce your trouser with the same ease as burning a CD.
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When did all this end up being about piracy? I must have missed the transition.
 
Solid_Rain said:
Don't get me started on that lol
Seriously though I just can't understand people who believe such actions are acceptable, and to be honest I will be far more upset if they are able to do it - and all because of a few hacked ps3's.
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I'm against it, but saying this all happens because of a “few hacked PS3s” is not correct. Sony made a number of decisions that lead to the anger of these people. There's a difference between what Microsoft is doing (just banning users with modded consoles) and what Sony is doing. Remember; they wanted the infortmation of everyone who had watched GeoHotz' videos on YouTube, asked Twitter for information, are currently suing GeoHot, and generally just went a bit too far to protect their console.
darkwing said:
lol i wouldn't want to be a Sony employee right now, remember that security company guy?
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No, I don't. :p What about him?
 
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