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Anonymous hacking group to target Sony? [PlayStation.com Goes Down]
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zomgbbqftw
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squatingyeti said:
The problem is that the CFW developers asked the users to take a leap of faith by installing their CFW promising decent apps and features. None have arrived so far and they have code signing abilities on GameOS so it's not like they had to build a whole new OS for their apps.
squatingyeti
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zomgbbqftw said:
First of all, no one promised shit, but did say things would be worked on. Secondly, did you ignore that I just said Linux is back and so is a media center application? Also, Sony has gone on a lawsuit kick (it's not just been Hotz) which could have some standing back to see what happens. Lastly, it has nothing to do with building a new OS and everything to do with coding the actual applications. If it's not a port, all the code must be written from scratch. Fuck, it's like we got people that think it's easy to code something on a device with no documentation.
darkwing said:
bunch of animals.
I have no pity for any member of anonymous whether they were silent or active during these attacks.
They are making it real hard to keep the government and corporations out of our internet. And with all the debates of net neutrality and privacy, they are making a police state actually look appealing.
I'd rather fight the law than a coward in a mask behind a keyboard. The law is the devil I know.
Fighting for my freedoms and rights? Sounds like Animal Farm to me.
Are you serious, or perhaps dense? Your choice of authoring an original novel on paper or the computer has no effect on your ability to create! Translating a novel (read: porting) on the whole is easier and quicker than writing your own; only the fool (or trashy novelist) would believe otherwise.zomgbbqftw said:
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What bothers me is that the stink kicked up by Anonymous is far more of a danger to personal freedom than anything Sony are doing.
Every inch of coverage is more fodder for those who would seek to control the internet. Its hard to defend something when its being used as a cover and a power-base for vigilante activity.
Lawmakers, law enforcers and leaders, worldwide, frowns on vigilantism, because if the rule of law is broken... your society is in deep trouble.
And here's the thing:
Does anyone seriously believe Sony are going to back down, or the judges be swayed favourably towards the defendants, by Anonymous? No matter how extreme their tactics.
Because ultimately if they were to back-up an inch, it would be open-season for every REAL terrorist and criminal organization to follow in their footsteps.
They simply cannot afford to show any weakness.
Every inch of coverage is more fodder for those who would seek to control the internet. Its hard to defend something when its being used as a cover and a power-base for vigilante activity.
Lawmakers, law enforcers and leaders, worldwide, frowns on vigilantism, because if the rule of law is broken... your society is in deep trouble.
And here's the thing:
Does anyone seriously believe Sony are going to back down, or the judges be swayed favourably towards the defendants, by Anonymous? No matter how extreme their tactics.
Because ultimately if they were to back-up an inch, it would be open-season for every REAL terrorist and criminal organization to follow in their footsteps.
They simply cannot afford to show any weakness.
Pristine_Condition
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Zeal said:
This campaign of theirs is going to end up with government agencies involved, cops involved, the FBI involved, ect.
Watch. It's going to end up unnecessarily costing innocent taxpayers millions of dollars, that could desperately be used elsewhere. More of Anonymous' "collateral damage," I guess.
All because Sony is legally perusing their case in court.
faceless007
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I think the point is they order the pizza for you so when the deliveryman shows up, you're expected to pay.
Really, that shit is more damaging to the restaurant and its employees who wasted time, money and ingredients.
Really, that shit is more damaging to the restaurant and its employees who wasted time, money and ingredients.
I don't get the fascination over this 4chan internet culture, meme phenomenon. 1000 unfunny people repeating the same bad joke doesn't make it funny.
...but you know what's funny, websites like 4chan & ED which promote not taking the internet so seriously, but hunt down real information on people to post it publicly. Anyone willing to organize a site to massively piss off large numbers of people, well they just "seem" to take the internet far more seriously than anyone else.
But then again, let them play in the sandbox with their false persona of "funny" or "witty". A collection of man children/nerds who want to bully the world that made them feel as weak as they really are and prematurely ejaculate their sweatpants everytime someone makes an inside joke they understand.
Because we all know it takes a real tough guy to be a bad-ass over the internet. Kindergarten bullshit, nothing more nothing less.
at least some of them are self aware
// I think this anti meme explains it way better than I ever will
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...but you know what's funny, websites like 4chan & ED which promote not taking the internet so seriously, but hunt down real information on people to post it publicly. Anyone willing to organize a site to massively piss off large numbers of people, well they just "seem" to take the internet far more seriously than anyone else.
But then again, let them play in the sandbox with their false persona of "funny" or "witty". A collection of man children/nerds who want to bully the world that made them feel as weak as they really are and prematurely ejaculate their sweatpants everytime someone makes an inside joke they understand.
Because we all know it takes a real tough guy to be a bad-ass over the internet. Kindergarten bullshit, nothing more nothing less.
at least some of them are self aware
// I think this anti meme explains it way better than I ever will
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MalboroRed
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keyrat said:
It's not really going to get the users on the side of anon, it's more likely the ddos will result in one of them walking down the street and getting punched in the moobs.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Running other OS was really important huh?
It makes me laugh how fucking pathetic these types are. "Wah I bought the machine I can do whatever I want with it". Cool. Sony made the fucking thing and can do whatever they want with it. You were warned about what was going to happen. Sony even issued a statement saying DO NOT UPDATE if you wanted to keep certain features. Surely, if that was the only reason you bought a PS3, you can forgo access to PSN. If it was for both well.. shit happens. get another system. "NO WAY. I only buy additional systems when I can hacks it and put SNES games on it not for the manufacturers intent."
It makes me laugh how fucking pathetic these types are. "Wah I bought the machine I can do whatever I want with it". Cool. Sony made the fucking thing and can do whatever they want with it. You were warned about what was going to happen. Sony even issued a statement saying DO NOT UPDATE if you wanted to keep certain features. Surely, if that was the only reason you bought a PS3, you can forgo access to PSN. If it was for both well.. shit happens. get another system. "NO WAY. I only buy additional systems when I can hacks it and put SNES games on it not for the manufacturers intent."
MoonsaultSlayer said:
To be honest, and this has been said multiple times, Sony basically gave people a non-choice. I firmly believe that Sony has the right to test the case against Geohotz in court (with the way that they have framed it), but the OtherOS situation - regardless of the reason why Sony removed it to begin with (and there's a lot of questions there) - is probably one of the worst examples of consumer abuse in recent video game history. There isn't a ton that is even comparable to what Sony did to users who were using Linux (ie play new games or keep linux) in the general computer software/computer hardware industry. It was and still is a fairly unprecedented move.
Captain Tuttle
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Christ, is every person/group/company involved in this mess a complete doucebag?
MoonsaultSlayer
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Well, frankly, I'm speaking ignorantly because I can care less about otherOS and what it means to people. Perhaps Sony saw through the types using it. Maybe they feared an exploit. I have no idea. Irony bit them in the ass if so.RyanDG said:
I'm not trying to be one who decides who's wrong and right depending on what they use the system for, but I believe Sony has the right to abandon apps, functions, and options that aren't "theirs". If Netflix/Sony got into a fight and split up, I'm not going to grab a pitchfork and get back at them by illegally hacking into their video store to watch their movie selections for free.
NullPointer
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I do hope Sony gets hammered for removing OtherOS.
In court I mean. Nothing like this garbage anon is pulling.
In court I mean. Nothing like this garbage anon is pulling.
...Yes.MoonsaultSlayer said:
This brilliantly enlightening point of view has never been brought up in the countless threads on the subject and thoroughly debated before.
Mind explaining why you think someone who bought something that has two functions has to then buy another one after x months in order to do these two functions? Sounds like they were deceived to me.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Why?NullPointer said:
BigBadShamoo
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lol this is awesome. I saw it coming. You can't fight sony publicly even if right you'll be drowned in money losses.
It's why war tactics changed. Sure the british had the bigger army but the US hid and used guerilla tactics. It was far too risky to march in a line against another line that was far superior to you're own.
This is what should have been done from the start. History is always something to learn from.
It's why war tactics changed. Sure the british had the bigger army but the US hid and used guerilla tactics. It was far too risky to march in a line against another line that was far superior to you're own.
This is what should have been done from the start. History is always something to learn from.
googleplex
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So if you can't fight them legally, brake the law?BigBadShamoo said:
If someone does something you don't like become a terrorist?
If innocent people get in the way, there just casualties of your war?
And you support this?
test_account
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What did they lie about? I read something about some quoting, but i thought that was more of selected quoting, not lying? (if you're referring to the quoting).[Nintex] said:
squatingyeti
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test_account said:
Well, while not outright lying, it's definitely a blatant attempt to mislead and mischaracterize the statement. What they did lie about is being a subsidiary of SCEI. In the Hotz case, SCEA claimed to be a subsidiary of SCEI, which Hotz's attorney pointed out was not true. In the class action case, the attorney for SCEA actually interjected into the discussion that she wanted to make clear that SCEA was not a subsidiary of SCEI. She then went on to attempt to explain the structure and it is convoluted enough that she didn't really understand their exact relationship.
test_account
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Sure, generally speaking, taking something out of context can sometimes alter the whole statement, that is true. So selecting quoting shouldnt be done if it alter the whole statment indeed.squatingyeti said:
I see, but why does it matter if SCEA is a part of SCEI? I thought this was about Geohot not knowing what SCEA was, did he say he knew what SCEI is?
Rollo Lawson
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StevieP said:
no, he is right. is the message really "sony needs to treat consumers more fairly"?
or is it "SONY MUST BOW DOWN TO US"
its really confusing. there's self-righteousness and juvenile pranks. we care about the consumers, so lets fuck over the consumers. we will get fair treatment by sending a zillion pizzas to your home. sony are a bunch of crooks, so let's extort them - which is illegal.
its disgusting, it really is. and i bet that at least 3/4 of the group dont even really care for the "cause"
StevieP said:
Really?
These guys aren't neo, they are not the one, this isnt the movie vendetta, we are not living oppressed with our freedoms removed.
But as a father, an employee of a company, not sony's but a fortune 500 so it can one day be the target of another group for another reason. I would not want to be dragged or have my family dragged into some silly war.
What if someone from anon, on his own takes that information and harasses a family member of an exec or a judge or lawyer? And that family member is going through depression or something, and a personal invasion or smear on their character publicly or through child services or through the school causes that person to go deeper into depression or to worse suicide. That's a huge what if but its a possibility and an example of how what one sees as just a good ole lulz could actually be more damaging than you know.
Taking the law into your own hands? But i'm what's wrong with America? I go to to work i pay my taxes and i teach my children to obey the law and fight for what they believe in legally.
Threatening peoples families to call child services? And what for? to break a copyrighted os? to stop the legal actions against a hacker?
If your involved in this or support this, yes an animal and you are what is wrong with america if you support this.
All this is doing is building a strong case in favor of government and corporate policed internet.
Again people stop watching movies, you are not Neo from the Matrix, your not sending a robot from the future to the now to protect you from the terrible corporation that is going to take over the world.
You are a human being that should know right from wrong. Threatening to call child services or to announce that the person has an std? really that's what is right way to do things in America?
Please question yourself if you believe that and your family upbringing if you believe that.
This is no longer just about can the firmware be hacked and if geohot's case should be moved to another state.
Are you seriously saying you condone their actions? Are you going to fight for their release if they get arrested for such actions?
It's all about freedom. As long as we are talking about your freedom's not mine right?
That's not true. SCEA was a subsidiary of SCEI, but isn't anymore. Thus, the confusion. There were no lies about it.squatingyeti said:
In the Hotz case, it matters because they are fighting over jurisdiction. Sony wants the case in California, and so are trying to prove that Hotz was harming a California company (SCEA). Hotz is claiming that if anyone was harmed, it was the Japanese company (SCEI), so there's no reason to have a trial in California.test_account said:
In the OtherOS case, they're fighting over discovery. The class is suing SCEA, and wants the documents discussing the removal of OtherOS. SCEA is saying that they don't have those documents, because the decision was made by SCEI in Japan. It's further complicated by the fact that SCEA was in fact a subsidiary of SCEI when OtherOS was removed, but is not anymore.
test_account
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Ah ok, then i see why SCEI was mentioned in this case =)jcm said:
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