Whitechocolatekrispies
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Lovely idea.
But they claim you can't cut it ... sure ... sure ... <grabs oxy-acetylene torch>
But they claim you can't cut it ... sure ... sure ... <grabs oxy-acetylene torch>
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Anti Rape protection shorts for women.
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This sounds like a good idea in theory, but things may escalate further if a rapist encountered something like this. I believe most experts agree rape is more about dominance over a person, than it is about having sex with the victim. A person would use prostitutes if it was only about sex.
If a rapist finds they cant dominate the victim sexually, will they find another brutal means or possibly a deadly way to dominate the victims? I remember reading about a few serial killers who started off as rapists and once they could no longer get it up for the rape, they took things to the next level killing their victims to get aroused. This would be a good deterrent to date rapes and drunk victims who are unaware of what is going on though.
If a rapist finds they cant dominate the victim sexually, will they find another brutal means or possibly a deadly way to dominate the victims? I remember reading about a few serial killers who started off as rapists and once they could no longer get it up for the rape, they took things to the next level killing their victims to get aroused. This would be a good deterrent to date rapes and drunk victims who are unaware of what is going on though.
I was being politically correct
Then do you have published journals that prove your point?
They actually did offer citations for their claims that the increase in violence is small. It's been posted twice in this thread.
Dark Octave
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Sad thing is, with the way things are and if these things are effective, they should exist in kid's sizes too.
I'm not sure if anyone ever bothered to do a real study on this. All you got is anecdotal evidence
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/21016808
Here's a study, but its main focus is child abuse:
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume2/j2_4_7.htm
But do you really think people around you would just go "oh, ok" if you were accused of rape?
I just wanted to chime in on this one. Jesus Christ, how do people still think like this?
This.
"Ah fuck! I forgot the combination thing. Shit. Oh well, fuck it. I'll just go in my pants"
Yeah...I could imagine a rapist seeing this shit, getting angry and beating the hell out of the victim instead :/
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Oh yeah, by the way. Of course they show this shit with someone who is like size 2. Show me some big ole, thick, size 14 gal with that bastard on.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I think a big part of the problem, and a big detriment to these kinds of conversations, is that guys often seem to see rape as just kind of a natural force, something inherent to us as a sex. It's not that somebody is "entitled to rape" anybody, it's just that, well, some guys just see it as something that's going to happen, no matter how a society is set up. I know I've said that I think there would still be rapes even were we educated an hour a day from pre-K through high school on the nature and ethics of consent, but I think there's a happy median where we accept that society, as it is presently run, is not set up to deal with nor diminish the problem. Still, when you read how many guys say they would rape if they knew they would not get caught, even accounting for a small % of joke answers, our gender certainly does not look very good.
Edit: And shorts like this are basically Poe's Law in action. Jesus, how do guys hear about stuff like this and not have just a little bit of empathy?
Spring-Loaded
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It needs one of the belt buckle derringers to kill the rapist with once they fail to get them off.
Portugeezer
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RAPEX and these chastity hotpants
The woman would get killed in that situation.
Oh, but of course, rape is worse than murder so it makes sense.
I can see where the frustration comes from here, as the mere existence of something like this product is grotesque.
However a "fundamental restructuring of our culture [to end rape]" is a (very) long term goal, even being optimistic.
These pants, are presented as a more immediate and short term "patch-solution" to the problem.
Yes they perpetrate a poisonous mentality, but in the assumption that they work, they also provide a concrete protection, to at least some forms of rape (like being raped while passed out drunk).
What i DO find really disturbing about the indie-gogo thing, is that they would make claims about something as serious as “studies show that resisting sexual assault lessens the chance of a rape taking place without increasing the violence of the attack”, without providing some source material.
The thought that they would endanger people's lives (or instill a sense of guilt, in case of some rape survivor) like this, just to sell some pants, is revolting, and i hope it's not the case.
You're not sure because you're too lazy to read the thread or skimmed too fast.
I won't even bother linking to the previous posts that mention the following.
This should be enough to deter the typical cases of sleeping pills and drunken disorder.
They did provide a source. That was my first reaction and I actually read their indiegog page to see if they did. Why didn't you?
Emerson
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You guys can't have it both ways on the general mentality of rapists. In every other thread the prevailing opinion is that rapists can be anyone because men aren't properly taught about consent. In this thread suddenly every rapist is a psychopathic murderer just a hair-trigger away from going apeshit?
No, you are never going to stop the guys out there who are truly fucking insane, willing to serially beat, torture, or kill people. Those guys pretty much are a force of nature. They won't be stopped by these shorts.
What we're talking about here are the majority of cases which are opportunistic. The comparison earlier in this thread about burglary and a ladder was great. Imagine a typical scenario. Perpetrator comes across a girl blackout drunk at a party, decides he'll do something. He doesn't have a ton of time, people are all over this house. Being slowed by these shorts very likely could scare him off, for fear that someone will discover him, the girl will wake, etc. Or while racking his drunk brain for a way to get them off, maybe he'll realize he's doing something wrong.
No, you are never going to stop the guys out there who are truly fucking insane, willing to serially beat, torture, or kill people. Those guys pretty much are a force of nature. They won't be stopped by these shorts.
What we're talking about here are the majority of cases which are opportunistic. The comparison earlier in this thread about burglary and a ladder was great. Imagine a typical scenario. Perpetrator comes across a girl blackout drunk at a party, decides he'll do something. He doesn't have a ton of time, people are all over this house. Being slowed by these shorts very likely could scare him off, for fear that someone will discover him, the girl will wake, etc. Or while racking his drunk brain for a way to get them off, maybe he'll realize he's doing something wrong.
I can't imagine if I was a girl to want to wear that. That being said their claims that it protects against rape and would limit it are probably true but that is not practical clothing.
Having to use a combination to even piss or shit, or when you actually want to have sex lol.
Like most products that won't have a widespread use I doubt the world becomes a worse place by their existence, some women might benefit from them.
Having to use a combination to even piss or shit, or when you actually want to have sex lol.
Like most products that won't have a widespread use I doubt the world becomes a worse place by their existence, some women might benefit from them.
shanshan310
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I get the feeling those are two different groups of people.
Exactly. Those are the kind of situations these are for, not the (very rare) gun to your head psychopaths.
That's quite a dark subject really. I suspect an alarming number of men would rape depending on the circumstances.
If you and a woman were the only people left alive on Earth, and the woman is incredibly attractive but completely not interested in sex, would you rape her? There are no consequences as you're the only humans that exist. I think for many men, that isn't an easy question to answer.
I think a lot of men in that scenario would probably rape her. It has nothing to do with lack of empathy or moral fibre, it would simply be because the desire to have sex would override rationality. There are no other women to have sex with, so it is either her or nothing. Nature isn't concerned with right or wrong, it is only concerned with the survival of the species.
That's an extreme case of course, but it emphasises the way in which society and a strong family unit keep us in check. A lot of men wouldn't rape in a normal society, but like violence and aggression, it is within our nature. Just like murder will always happen, rape will too unfortunately.
That's a pretty bleak assessment. If you asked men if they'd eat a dead companion to survive, the responses would probably be much less obvious than you've assumed in the example you gave, and that's a survival situation. If what you say is true, it seems as though men would feel more entitled to sex than to staying alive.
I think they could protect against some rapes without escalating into violence, depending on the motive of the would be rapist.
Drunken parties and dates where mixed singles are exchanged, these could prevent the heat of the moment lapses in judgement calls. Without the combo, no man can claim no means yes. Girl gets drunk and passes out- these are a clear sign she did not want to have sex and put the fault entirely in the hands of the man if he proceeds. Better to end an encounter with awkward apologies, angry arguments, and confusion than to have let event happen.
Could deter some date rapes. Imagine a guy slip the lady something, takes her to the room and encounters these. Some my lose their nerve, other may find a work around, a few may panic and try erase mistake by eliminating the women.
Against predatory rapist or ex boyfriend/husbands- they are already a violent mindset- so likely these would not help except to buy a few moments.
You're comparing what might be a very unpleasant experience to what -- for a lot of people at least -- would be considered one of the best experiences we'll have in our lifetime. I don't think the two things are quite analogous.
Certainly you would eat things you perhaps wouldn't usually in desperation. I'm pretty sure if that was the only thing there to eat, people would certainly consider it. Something they never would in usually circumstances.
Do you think it is any easy question to answer though stet? Seriously? I don't think it is a simple 'no'. As I said, I suspect there would be a large percentage that would. Certainly more than in other circumstances.
Remember that you're not talking about sex though, you're talking about rape.
Never answered the question...
Men are less likely to rape someone in normal circumstances. It is not a question of lacking empathy, it is more to do with the circumstances in which you find yourself. Something that you perhaps wouldn't do in any other circumstance.
It seems like you're the one who skimmed through; I was responding to someone who was asking for evidence that rape allegations will ruin a man's life.
Seriously? No, I would not rape someone if we were the last two people on Earth.
entremet
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You have a very twisted view on the world, my friend.
Fair enough. Would mean you have strong self-control...
The desire to procreate is a pretty strong one in nature. I don't think that question is a simple 'no' to be honest, but maybe that is just me.
I'd like to think I wouldn't in that circumstance, but I'm not so sure of myself. How I would react. I understand the temptation.
ElfArmy177
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Its not gonna do anything sadly. Scum who rape have to be messed up in the head in the first place.
scenerio: knife to throat, "take these off or I'll kill you"
ugh, human race is so vile we have to make anti rape pants...
scenerio: knife to throat, "take these off or I'll kill you"
ugh, human race is so vile we have to make anti rape pants...
'Cause i can't access the indiegogo page from here, and i was going by the other article linked.
If they did provide a source, then nevermind that point, it further reinforces my above opinion:
These pants may not be a long term, permanent solution and may have some disturbing baggage, but they sound like a pretty effective way to avoid at least the less violent instances of rape (mentioned several times in the thread).
Those are not the only cases of rape.
Drunk and passed out at a party, someone finds you and can't rape you because of these pants, he's not gonna wake you up to threaten you into removing them.
Yeah. Kind of thought I would be misconstrued by this. I just recognise that there is a dark side within nature. It is not about how I conduct my life, I'm not a violent rapist. I just see that under extreme circumstances, natural impulsive drives could lead a human to do something they otherwise would not do.
entremet
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I'm not saying you personally are just that you thinking that most will rape under such circumstances.
I didn't say 'most' I said 'a lot', in other words a large number. A much higher percentage would than otherwise.
Emerson
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I would postulate that probably a majority of men who have ever lived have raped.
CornBurrito
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Can you tell women what other things they should and should not find fun?
How? that thing is painful, the rapist priority would be change from rape to take of this thing immediately.
Those were designed for women in Africa, where the situation is pretty bad. It's something insane like 1 in 4 men have raped. As mentioned, not every rapist is a murderer, sadly rape is far more common than people believe, and the perpetrator isn't some psychopath most of the time.
Yes, education and dealing with extreme poverty are the solutions, but they are very long term solutions, we need short term solutions as well.
Well, in first world countries, the figures are probably much lower than in some developing nations.
In times of war though, the amount of rape cases tends to increase quite substantially. An extreme example of this would be towards the end of WWII; something that was really quite shocking the first time I heard it.
Estimates range from hundreds of thousands to as high as 2 million women were raped towards the end of WWII, mainly by Russian soldiers. It has been stated that at least 100,000 women were raped in Berlin alone. Some women were repeatedly raped as much as 70 times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
This is probably the best idea in here. Still keep the weird finger combination thing of taking off the button in case you lose your phone or other device but this would actually make it more manageable in a drunk situation where you need to use the bathroom or you are deciding to have sex (lol at the people that say you can't consent to sex when drunk, while legally true, the world isn't that simple). I've seen plenty of people who can remember the code to unlock their phone when hammered but lose all motor function.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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To the mind of someone raping a passed-out girl at a party, the line between these two things is less clear than you might think. I've often wondered how people can look at that aspect of rape and then say that "it's about power" when, often, sex is quite clearly the driving motivation.
Here is their Indie Go Go page for anyone who wants to support them:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ar-wear-confidence-protection-that-can-be-worn
The reward tiers are pretty awful, and makes me worried about whether or not they'll get funded. Instead of actually giving backers the underwear, you donate like $100 to get a 30% discount on the AR pants when they're in production.
I'm not sure why they went that route.....are the pants themselves going to be that expensive?
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ar-wear-confidence-protection-that-can-be-worn
The reward tiers are pretty awful, and makes me worried about whether or not they'll get funded. Instead of actually giving backers the underwear, you donate like $100 to get a 30% discount on the AR pants when they're in production.
I'm not sure why they went that route.....are the pants themselves going to be that expensive?
I'd say different instances of rape, can have different motivators behind them.
So sometimes it can definitely be, mostly, about power and humiliation.
EDIT: I mean, i doubt anyone would think it's always about power.
CassidyIzABeast
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They do, it's called RAPEX
Is there a simulation of the type of damage that would do using phallic-shaped fruit? I feel the need to cringe
This is interesting. Would the rapist get off on that expression of power though? Maybe he finds something gratifying and exhilarating about it?
If so then there would be some sexual motivation in doing so. Like with sadomasochism for instance. That is about inflicting pain and humiliation, but both the inflictor and the receiver gets some sexual gratification from it.
It's probably a pointless question to ask, but if a person was born with absolutely no desire for sex at all, that impulse was nonexistent, would they feel the need to rape at all?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I'm not saying they don't, but people, feminists especially, have a tendency to say "Rape is a crime of power" as a kind of sweeping statement.
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When I was 14, I moved to a new area after basically being rescued from hell. I met some people in the neighborhood, but I was damaged.
One of the older boys, and to this day I still remember his name, decided to put the moves on me.
He wasn't violent. But he totally ignored my 'No, I don't think this is a good idea.' when he tried to take it further. My resistance in total was saying that and pressing my palms against his chest.
But my pants were too tight. I was able to keep my hips in a certain position that made removing my jeans impossible. And then my mom came home, and he took off, and he never realized that he had almost raped me. He didn't think he did anything wrong, I never told anyone, and made sure I was never alone with him again.
I can see that sort of rape being prevented by these shorts, and that's the most common type of rape that occurs, but still. I bet they are fucking uncomfortable.
One of the older boys, and to this day I still remember his name, decided to put the moves on me.
He wasn't violent. But he totally ignored my 'No, I don't think this is a good idea.' when he tried to take it further. My resistance in total was saying that and pressing my palms against his chest.
But my pants were too tight. I was able to keep my hips in a certain position that made removing my jeans impossible. And then my mom came home, and he took off, and he never realized that he had almost raped me. He didn't think he did anything wrong, I never told anyone, and made sure I was never alone with him again.
I can see that sort of rape being prevented by these shorts, and that's the most common type of rape that occurs, but still. I bet they are fucking uncomfortable.
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