Conflict NZ
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Thank god they put it on the day the Lakers play OKC, I won't be trying to justify to myself watching it.
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Any chance this years VGAs will be a bit more professional? [Geoff asks for feedback]
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Why are we comparing them to the oscars? There are barely a handful of events that could even be mentioned in the same breath as the oscars, and the VGAs are not one of them, nor do I think it should be.
Neither is it quote down at the level of 'north west double glazing awards 2006'. Its a solid mid tier awards event. I do think it needs to be honest with what it's trying to be, but overall it's watchable tosh, which is pretty good going for a broadcast awards show,
Neither is it quote down at the level of 'north west double glazing awards 2006'. Its a solid mid tier awards event. I do think it needs to be honest with what it's trying to be, but overall it's watchable tosh, which is pretty good going for a broadcast awards show,
Thank you for taking feedback into consideration.
One thing I felt, especially last year, was that some jokes/humor felt rather forced. Not every other line said on stage needs to be a joke. That's the biggest issue I had last year personally. Give developers and other important figures more stage time, we love hearing from them, especially those who are talented but get less 'exposure'.
ps: if you can, try and grab a vita reveal!
Feel like reveal wise the handheld market gets ignored somewhat.Best of luck
-Pyromaniac-
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+1
Geoff just get someone to write you some good jokes. Rib on some people. Present some awards = win.
RobotRocker
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And it's easy since it's an advertising boon to not go after the companies on humour. Rib em' a bit and make the humor a bit more sly. The MTV awards will give a few sly digs at the film and music industry in the opening spiel. Give everyone a bit of a nudge. You can mix it in with the more knowing humour and giving. Say "The Wii-U launched recently and Nintendo proved why they are the masters of innovation. They gave us the ability to play COD while taking a dump" or "Capcom had an award speech written out but even though it's already finished, we have to pay five bucks to read it, so they can forget it".
If they take a strop, just label em' as humorless dicks. Go for the burns. They are what lasts and makes headlines when "X FUEDS WITH X" (Or Y'know, Kanye). And don't write in anything that makes you groan.
I know. I'm getting my coat right now
I would agree, but these shows are all built to get the most viewers possible. Big name celebrities (who may or may not even know that much about gaming) are always going to draw in more people. Every choice (like a lot of other "awards" shows) is to get as many viewers as possible, and if that means some sacrifices in professionalism have to be made, then they will.
yes, but producing for the mass market doesn't mean you have to produce for the ogre audience.
Not everybody is just watching Michael Bay movies or playing spankgargleweewee games like CoD.
Skyrim is a mass market product as well, so are the Mario Games or Uncharted.
But you prefer to produce an award show for the douchebag audience instead of the gamers, because you want to be together with the cool guys.
So it's getting more embarrassing every year, because it's just pandering to an audience and their friends who still think, that they are actually way above those gamer losers.
If you want showbiz, at least invite people who are actually playing video games. There more than enough out there. Mila Kunis played WoW for a long time, Zachery Levi is a gamer as well.
Randolph Freelander
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They should make the VGAs PPV. Segment by segment, in keeping with the "microtransactions" theme.
What strikes me as curious is that anybody actually watches. I don't get it. But then, I don't get the Oscars, either.
What strikes me as curious is that anybody actually watches. I don't get it. But then, I don't get the Oscars, either.
-Pyromaniac-
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BTW if Skyrim wins anything, someone best make a joke/mention the PS3 version in some way.
Hi i'm Caleb
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It does not feel like the VGAs get more professional every year. They have been the same from the start and this year will be no different.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
ZING
Seriously, though, it has to be hard to put this show on because of the age group/demographics.
Diddy Kong
Banned
the oscars of video games
Never again please Geoff.
yurinka
Member
The 'B' of BAFTA means British. It isn't worldwide.
My thoughts:
- The show of last year was a huge improvement vs previous ones.
- Please reduce the ammount of commercials (not sure if was on VGA or E3, but there were too much and too repetitive).
- Please avoid kiddy humour (teabagging, etc). I'd say the main hardcore gamer (so your main audience) now is 30+ years old.
- Please avoid non-gaming related celebrities that aren't highly interested on gaming.
- Last year host did a great job, love Samuel so I'm sure he'll do a great job too.
- Would like to see mini-interviews to the main nominateds/winners before or after the show.
- New videos of great AAA upcoming games and specially huge game reveals are by far my favorite thing of the show.
- I miss new videos or big announcements for portables, which are a huge portion of the market. I think they deserve more attention.
- Not sure if will be there this year, but social, phone and indie (a title published/funded by Sony or MS isn't indie) games deserve a little of presence there with their own award.
- Shorter videos of the nominees for each award would help to make the show more dynamic.
- To put the show in TV channels of more countries world would help to make it more popular worldwide.
Relaxed Muscle
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What about a totally self aware show that acknowledge some of the worst things of the medium, like sexism and all.
Jokes about the doritogate, woman role in games, etc... it would be something refreshing and could be enjoyed by all kind of public...
Jokes about the doritogate, woman role in games, etc... it would be something refreshing and could be enjoyed by all kind of public...
Like the hat?
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If I remember, I'll watch it for the first time this year just to see how awful it is.
I just want something that celebrates video games without it being bottom of the barrel "jokes" that anyone with the mentality of someone younger than 6 being the only ones to think they are funny.
I just want something that celebrates video games without it being bottom of the barrel "jokes" that anyone with the mentality of someone younger than 6 being the only ones to think they are funny.
It wasn't meant to be a zinger or whatever. I was serious. He mentioned balancing the interests of "GAF", and I'm not exactly sure what that means considering GAF is a pretty diverse group of people. But if you look at the complaints about the VGAs in this and previous threads the issue is one of a lack of a minimum threshold of maturity rather than failing to appeal to a particular group.
no, because every part of the entertainment industry has the same problem.
Just take your audience seriously
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The Oscars' main audience isn't 12-30 year olds
StealthGoblin
Banned
Cut the skits.
Don't give a VA award to a guy who is presenting.
Let some games developers give out some awards.
Demoncarnotaur
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I mean, there numerous ways to make something mainstream without being cringe worthy.. You can have some fun lame jokes and gags, but do not make it over the top so you feel ashamed if you are watching this with less interested people, or hell, even by yourself. I mean, lame explicit gags can work if you do them right, just watch other rewards shows.. or even things like SNL. I would try to keep it toned down, more dry, sarcastic humor rather than 'lol t-bag'. If you go that route, try to make it premade skits that can play at appropriate times. This is no easy thing, I know, but Im sure it can be done successfully so it doesn't feel like it was catered only towards middleschoolers. Also, some serious pieces could fit in aswell, like montages of 'good graphics and landscapes from 2012 gaming', etc.. It doesn't all have to be one big joke when you are not presenting a reward.. Keep it fun, interesting and unpredictable, but don't resort to 'potty humor'.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Well said. This really sums it up for me as well.
TV's is.
And gamers are getting older. First generation now is reaching their 40's or are already above.
Interesting. Has it always been that way?
I've always just been speculating but based on the lists of who is on the board and who won those categories I found it strange that "mainstream-famous" people won it as opposed to voice-over actors.
But good to know that the way the categories are presented on Spike.com reflect reality.
Pulling all the various people from independent places to form this was the best part about the VGAs for me.
Cut the unfunny skits and give the juvenile jokes a rest.
dark_inferno
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Asking this after presenting the nominees is just fail.
Criminal Upper
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Yeah, see the problem is that anyone with half a brain wants a clean awards show, with some presenters that are halfway entertaining, some new game footage, and really balanced categories.
The problem is that the "mainstream" spike audience lack half a brain.
So while I think the VGAs are pretty garbage, I have to admit they are stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to producing a show like this.
The problem is that the "mainstream" spike audience lack half a brain.
So while I think the VGAs are pretty garbage, I have to admit they are stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to producing a show like this.
- Address audience as adults
- Don't go too much into the stereotypical 'gamer' attitude
- Not everything is EXTREME and COOL and w/e buzzwords with explosions and gitter
- Have the host understand what he's talking about and pronounce names correctly
- It's about awards, not babes / dubstep / lights / explosions
- Be humble, even if you are the 'biggest' thing out there, don't constantly repeat it and market your show (We are already watching it thx very much)
- Don't stand in front of a TV and read out dumb tweets. Show games, talk games and developers
- Developers accepting awards want to say things, we care about what they have to say more than what a host or some advertisement model babe has to say
- Games business isn't all serious but if you make jokes, don't always go for the lowest common denominator
- Games are global, not just American -VS- Japanese
The average viewer of the Academy Awards is approximately 50 years old.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Stop doing jokes that are ancient in Video Game
Try to stay relevant at least
Teabagging was played out in 2007, you make a skit of it in 2011
Also tell the Presenters to look like they want to be there
Half of them look like "Holy Fuck where am I?", "I just came because my husband/boyfriend/son/daughter wanted the free swag bag"
You failed as a presenter when they have to flail their arms and drev up support to why they are here and presenting
"Here's Victoria Secret Model [Blah Blah] to present the Sports Game of the Year!"
*Flailing arms, which slightly introduce a boobie jiggle to get cheers*
"I'm a Gamer just like you...."
"The winner is EA Mah-Dehn 2013!"
**Oh fuck Nerds, get me away from them**
"Where's my swag, I needs to go!"
Try to stay relevant at least
Teabagging was played out in 2007, you make a skit of it in 2011
Also tell the Presenters to look like they want to be there
Half of them look like "Holy Fuck where am I?", "I just came because my husband/boyfriend/son/daughter wanted the free swag bag"
You failed as a presenter when they have to flail their arms and drev up support to why they are here and presenting
"Here's Victoria Secret Model [Blah Blah] to present the Sports Game of the Year!"
*Flailing arms, which slightly introduce a boobie jiggle to get cheers*
"I'm a Gamer just like you...."
"The winner is EA Mah-Dehn 2013!"
**Oh fuck Nerds, get me away from them**
"Where's my swag, I needs to go!"
The nominees are voted on by the VGA board which is compromised of the following people:
Geoff Keighley (Host / Executive Producer, SPIKETV)
Darren Franich (Staff Writer, Entertainment Weekly)
Andy McNamara (Editor in Chief, Game Informer Magazine)
Ludwig Kietzmann (Editor in Chief, Joystiq)
Tal Blevins (VP Games Content, IGN Entertainment)
Shane Satterfield (Editor in Chief, GameTrailers)
Jeremy Parish (Editor in Chief, 1UP.com)
Chris Kohler (Games Editor, Wired.com)
Francesca Reyes (Editor in Chief, Official Xbox Magazine)
Justin Calvert (Executive Editor, Gamespot)
Dale North (Editor in Chief, Destructoid)
Mike Snider (Entertainment Reporter, USA Today)
Jeff Gerstmann (Editor in Chief, Giant Bomb)
Jerry Holkins (Co-Creator, Penny Arcade)
Mike Krahulik (Co-Creator, Penny Arcade)
Ben Silverman (Yahoo Games)
Chris Slate (Editor-In-Chief, Nintendo Power Magazine)
Sophia Tong (Editor in Chief, GamesRadar)
Logan Decker (Editor in Chief, PC Gamer)
Lou Kesten (AP)
Chris Grant (Editor, Polygon.com)
Brian Crecente (News Editor, Polygon.com)
Russ Frushtick (Senior Editor, Polygon.com)
Stephen Totilo (Editor-In-Chief, Kotaku.com)
Tina Amini (Coordinating Editor, Kotaku.com)
I'm not aware that these people's votes are being weighted in any way.
That is about the single most stupid thing in modern TV
The VGAs are fucking awful beyond belief. I remember Dan Cook presenting one award and making jokes about chilling with Ezio or some shit. It was so fucking awful. Just an absolute embarassment and blight on the industry. And I'm a hyper-upbeat person who rarely sees much negative in anything. I'd recommend not contributing to this carnival's ratings and instead just catching the trailers on YouTube the next day. Hopefully some day we'll get a real black-tie event with at least -some- sense of dignity like the Oscars (which still manage to be fun, btw).
I H8 Memes
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Tricia Helfer was the best host. Beautiful, fun, and had presence and a perfect personality for an awards show host.
That's a nice list of folk
You mean compromised by? ;-)
The woman that hosted the Ubisoft conference at this year's E3 was the best celebrity host (a requirement I assume) with a gaming show yet. I don't know her, but she is a celebrity if you follow US television.
They have been compromised by Mountain Dew!
This event is going to be so incredibly awful, the more I think about. I recall last year or the year before it was billed by Geoff* as a respectable black-tie event, but it was anything but.
* I like Geoff a lot, for the record, but I think he needs to use whatever sway he has as executive producer to drastically overhaul the content and tone of this show.
* I like Geoff a lot, for the record, but I think he needs to use whatever sway he has as executive producer to drastically overhaul the content and tone of this show.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Don't teabag award winners?
Which is to say... what, exactly? Most shows showcased at the Emmys appeal to an older audience, in my opinion the nominees in drama and comedy are often more intelligent than most video games and again, the average TV viewer was said to be about 50 a few years back, with that number skewing upward with each passing year.
I don't like the VGAs but they've nailed their intended audience. Most of the suggestions in here are nonsense.