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[Dongs Macabre]

I thought this was something people only did with their tongues in their cheeks.

Hey Satan -- you rock!

It's super tongue-in-cheek. The Satanic Temple is really a civil rights movement more than an actual philosophy.

 

[Parch]

I thought the term "non-theist satanist" was actually created by theists so that they could consider athiests satanists. They'll fabricate anything to make atheists evil.

 

[Daria]

you should probably link to some the official website for Church of Satan so people can get a better idea of what it is. at least for LaVeyan Satanism.

Satan is the symbol that best suits the nature of we who are carnal by birth—people who feel no battles raging between our thoughts and feelings, we who do not embrace the concept of a soul imprisoned in a body.

All Gods are thus externalized forms, magnified projections of the true nature of their creators, personifying aspects of the universe or personal temperaments which many of their followers find to be troubling.

Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value.

We Satanists are thus our own “Gods,” and as beneficent “deities” we can offer love to those who deserve it and deliver our wrath (within reasonable limits) upon those who seek to cause us—or that which we cherish—harm.

There are also the Nine Satanic Statements, Nine Satanic Sins and the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

 

[The Albatross]

I thought the term "non-theist satanist" was actually created by theists so that they could consider athiests satanists. They'll fabricate anything to make atheists evil.

So, pretty much like what you just did in your first sentence...?

 

[Dongs Macabre]

you should probably link to some the official website for Church of Satan so people can get a better idea of what it is. at least for LaVeyan Satanism.









There are also the Nine Satanic Statements, Nine Satanic Sins and the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

The Satanic Temple is much closer to what the OP is talking about, and the most prominent group. Plus, there's none of that supernatural stuff and no social Darwinism like there is with LaVeyan Satanism.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Uh, I don't need to identify as a satanist to live by those principles, so why bother being one?

 

[jstripes]

Disagree. I'm not a satanist but I see the Christian god as more a representation of evil than Satan

Satan rebelled against authority.
He gave mankind knowledge
He was then tortured forever by god

God is the uptight bully with silly rules.

Well, seeing as the whole foundation of Christianity is "don't ask questions, don't think for yourself", you can see why someone who gave knowledge and encouraged free will would be vilified.

 

[XT Vengeance]

Well, seeing as the whole foundation of Christianity is "don't ask questions, don't think for yourself", you can see why someone who gave knowledge and encouraged free will would be vilified.

I must admit; that made me chuckle for a good minute.

 

[mattiewheels]

I think it's dumb to call yourself anything with "satanist" in it if you're not clearly worshipping pure evil.

The idea that satan=evil is just the result of indoctrination. This is about thinking for yourself.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

Uh, I don't need to identify as a satanist to live by those principles, so why bother being one?

The Satanic Temple is a civil rights movement. They fight against religious laws that go against the separation of church and state, like religious literature in schools and laws preventing abortion.

I think the OP should differentiate between LaVeyan Satanism and the Satanic Temple, because they're two very different things. LaVeyan Satanism is the weird pseudo-religious philosphy, and the Satanic Temple is the secular movement that makes stuff like this activity book for kids so Christians stop giving kids religious literature.

 

[Parch]

So, pretty much like what you just did in your first sentence...?

Not so much my fabrication but my anecdotal evidence.
During a workplace religious discussion I wanted to avoid, I stated that I was an atheist. So they asked me why I would worship Satan. I politely tried to explain that if I didn't worship Christ that I didn't worship an Anti-Christ either.

That's where I first heard the term non-theist Satanists. I don't know where the term originated, but I have heard religious people use it frequently.

 

[Sobriquet]

Not so much my fabrication but my anecdotal evidence.
During a workplace religious discussion I wanted to avoid, I stated that I was an atheist. So they asked me why I would worship Satan. I politely tried to explain that if I didn't worship Christ that I didn't worship an Anti-Christ either.

That's where I first heard the term non-theist Satanists. I don't know where the term originated, but I have heard religious people use it frequently.

It's been non-theist since The Church of Satan was founded in the '60s. It seems your co-workers are just confused.

 

[LCGeek]

Not so much my fabrication but my anecdotal evidence.
During a workplace religious discussion I wanted to avoid, I stated that I was an atheist. So they asked me why I would worship Satan. I politely tried to explain that if I didn't worship Christ that I didn't worship an Anti-Christ either.

Sometimes I wonder about christianity and how much was really changed. Seems self serving to me christians said one of satan goals was to destroy religion/tempt you from god, so it leads to a lot of shitty logic like you mentioned.

To them it doesn't matter you're thinking about their words/beliefs from your perspective not their words from their demented views. Most christian logic makes sense once you account for that. Not saying it's valid or right though.

 

[sonycowboy]

 

[Toxi]

The Satanic Temple is a civil rights movement. They fight against religious laws that go against the separation of church and state, like religious literature in schools and laws preventing abortion.

I think the OP should differentiate between LaVeyan Satanism and the Satanic Temple, because they're two very different things. LaVeyan Satanism is the weird pseudo-religious philosphy, and the Satanic Temple is the secular movement that makes stuff like this activity book for kids.

Annabel's show and tell is hilarious and adorable.

 

[Hex]

You will come to find that Theistic Satanists are much rarer than non Theistic Satanists

 

[Trojita]

Disagree. I'm not a satanist but I see the Christian god as more a representation of evil than Satan

Satan rebelled against authority.
He gave mankind knowledge
He was then tortured forever by god

God is the uptight bully with silly rules.

John Milton and Dante Alighieiri really screwed theists and non-theists concept of Christianity and Judiasm.

What you are describing appeared in a purely fictional poem called Paradise Lost.

There is nothing in Genesis to suggest that the serpent was anything else but just that. The book actually goes out of its way to state that the serpent was an animal just like the rest inhabiting Eden (IE not an Angel)

Again fictional.

It also makes it even dumber when you look at brimstone spouting Christians today that somehow believe that people sent to hell are going to be poked by the devil but also believe the devil is being punished at the same time.

 

[Walshicus]

So they should come up with a better name. It's like starting up a civil rights movement entitled "Minorities get out"

I dunno. I think it's kind of on point; Satan often comes across as the good guy in Christian mythology, in opposition to a tyrannical Yahweh. At least from a modern enlightened point of view.

 

[Platy]

so non-theist Satanists are to Satan what Trekkies are to Star Trek ? =P

 

[Nakho]

John Milton and Dante Alighieiri really screwed theists and non-theists concept of Christianity and Judiasm.

What you are describing appeared in a purely fictional poem called Paradise Lost.

There is nothing in Genesis to suggest that the serpent was anything else but just that. The book actually goes out of its way to state that the serpent was an animal just like the rest inhabiting Eden (IE not an Angel)

Again fictional.

It also makes it even dumber when you look at brimstone spouting Christians today that somehow believe that people sent to hell are going to be poked by the devil but also believe the devil is being punished at the same time.

Thank you. That is my pet peeve with theological discussions, people conflating stuff from Paradise Lost, Christian "common sense" and general superstition with the Bible itself.

 

[Seven4sses]

I want to scarify my chest with the pentagram. I think that should tell you the level of my commitment.

hail satan

 

[eddievanclaylen]

I want to scarify my chest with the pentagram. I think that should tell you the level of my commitment.

hail satan

I have a pentagram tattoo

And dclxvi on my hand

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[snacknuts]

That's very insightful!

What has been your experience when you wear that hoodie out in public? If you don't me asking, where do you live and how do people react? I imagine in a very religious region/place/city/neighborhood, lots of people will look at you as if you were the anti-Christ, someone that kills goats and drinks their blood, that sort of thing lol.

I just got it this past Thursday and it has been miserably hot every day since then, so I haven't had the chance to wear it yet. I honestly don't know if I would wear it out and about. I live in a pretty conservative state and I don't like coming across as hostile to people, which I think is how it would be interpreted 99% of the time. I pretty much bought it to wear around the house.

 

[eddievanclaylen]

Ive worn the infamous cradle of filth 'vestal masturbation' shirt out a few times. It doesn't go over so well ...

 

[The Beard]

Do you think pastafarians actually worship spaghetti and meatballs?

As a lifelong Pastafarian, I'm offended.

 

[Kitsunebaby]

My philosophies and ethics would be best described as psychological hedonism, and it looks like Satanism took a good deal of inspiration from Epicureanism so there's probably some similarity. I'm not really interested in following one particular school of thought, though.

 

[Ganzlinger]

They don't have my respect, using the name of Satan to impress people. smh I only respect theist Satanists, at least they honor their name and it is nice to have that old rivalry stuff going on with us Christians.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I read it. To me its completely contradictory. They are saying that satan isn't real but worship satan as a symbol/figurehead. How is that any different than theism exactly?

I believe it's more about what he represents from philosophical standpoint, it makes sense honestly.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

They don't have my respect, using the name of Satan to impress people. smh I only respect theist Satanists, at least they honor their name and it is nice to have that old rivalry stuff going on with us Christians.

Are you referring to LaVeyan Satanists or Satanic Temple Satanists? The Satanic Temple definitely deserves your respect, as they fight for civil rights against those that try to force their religion on others, like laws against abortion and laws allowing Christians to give out religious literature in schools.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Are you referring to LaVeyan Satanists or Satanic Temple Satanists? The Satanic Temple definitely deserves your respect, as they fight for civil rights against those that try to force their religion on others, like laws against abortion and laws allowing Christians to give out religious literature in schools.

The ones who truly believe in Satan. If you fight for civil rights and freedom of religion, you should stop calling yourself a Satanist I think.

Spoiler

I joke, the use of the word Satan or Satanism doesn't bother me

 

[TheLastCandle]

I've never known a Satanist, but if I ever did I hope we could connect with a mutual love of black metal.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

I've never known a Satanist, but if I ever did I hope we could connect with a mutual love of black metal.

And maybe awesome sheep.

 

[dragonzdogma]

Disagree. I'm not a satanist but I see the Christian god as more a representation of evil than Satan

Satan rebelled against authority. (Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God. )
He gave mankind knowledge (Evil knowledge)
He was then tortured forever by god (Actually he's God's servant, but yes he will be punished and one day he will stop serving God and be forever locked up.)

God is the uptight bully with silly rules. (Nope, according to the Christian world view God is Love and Jesus Christ came to seek the lost and save the sinners.)

FIXED

 

[Nakho]

FIXED

None of this is in the Bible, you know. Lucifer =/= Satan.

 

[Dai101]

FIXED

How cute

 

[Toxi]

I dunno. I think it's kind of on point; Satan often comes across as the good guy in Christian mythology, in opposition to a tyrannical Yahweh. At least from a modern enlightened point of view.

From a modern enlightened point of view, they're both horrible pricks for what they did to Job.

 

[liliththepale]

“There is deep misunderstanding about Satanism as a religion in all of its various forms, because Satanism and the term ‘Satanic’ has been used as a political tool to demonize individuals who rebelled against systems of authority and power,” [---] Political and activist undertones… We understand Satan not in the Judeo-Christian concept, but in the literary and philosophical history” in which Satan is an anti-tyranny figure.

Haha, a Satanist complaining about being demonized. That's rich!


The Judeo Christian Satan isn't anti-tyrannical. He'd set up his own tyranny if given the opportunity. Anarchy just serves as a means to an end, to shake things up so he can install his own tyranny.

 

[pixelation]

A satanist that doesn't worship satan doesn't compute.

 

[dragonzdogma]

Haha, a Satanist complaining about being demonized. That's rich!


The Judeo Christian Satan isn't anti-tyrannical. He'd set up his own tyranny if given the opportunity. Anarchy just serves as a means to an end, to shake things up so he can install his own tyranny.

This is true if you ever cared to read the Bible or know the basics.

The devil is like a dog, a vicious one, on a leash, he can hurt us only when we enter into his zone, his territory,he will deceive many, and he is actually a beautiful being ( that's what makes him so dangerous) not as depicted in most books (aka red,with horns and pitch fork)

But alas,God has full control of his wild dog.

 

[Toxi]

This is true if you ever cared to read the Bible or know the basics.

The devil is like a dog, a vicious one, on a leash, he can hurt us only when we enter into his zone, his territory,he will deceive many, and he is actually a beautiful being ( that's what makes him so dangerous) not as depicted in most books (aka red,with horns and pitch fork)

But alas,God has full control of his wild dog.

So, uh, what did Job do wrong?

 

[dragonzdogma]

So, uh, what did Job do wrong?

Good question,

Job requested an audience with God and he got one
Job, was such a bad-ass that God knew he would own the devil and never curse God

Satan was allowed to test Job and was unsuccessful. We know this but Job didn't. So the issue of the integrity of Job demonstrates the greater truth of the integrity of God Himself.

 

[Deified Data]

Held Laveyan principles in some regard during my formative years, when the danger and mystique of his philosophy intrigued me.

Then I grew up and...I actually still consider many Satanist values to be the bedrock of my adult worldview. I pursue freedom as the ultimate ideal. I value respect, and therefore refuse to devalue it by wasting it on those who don't deserve it. While I don't view man as just another beast, as LaVey alleged, I don't think we can ever truly be removed from the natural world and will always be beholden to natural law. I strive for self-honesty, and examine my motives when I feel I might be falling victim to hypocrisy or self-delusion.

I don't consider myself as belonging to any concrete philosophy, but if I did Satanism is probably the closest.

A satanist that doesn't worship satan doesn't compute.

Satan is a symbol of vitality and rebellion to Satanists, not a deity. The name was chosen for the implied iconography and shock value. It worked.

 

[Soriku]

Good question,

Job requested an audience with God and he got one
Job, was such a bad-ass that God knew he would own the devil and never curse God

Job is more like a suck up than a badass.

 

[brotherbean]

I've always been sort of disappointed that Satanists don't actually worship Satan. As an 80's kid growing up with this idea of Devil-worshiping satanic occultists, I was kind of let down when I discovered otherwise. I guess I was hoping for something like that dude from The Golden Child.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Good question,

Job requested an audience with God and he got one
Job, was such a bad-ass that God knew he would own the devil and never curse God

What about all of Job's kids?

 

[Brakke]

From a modern enlightened point of view, they're both horrible pricks for what they did to Job.

What God was a total bro to Job. Gave him three babely daughters and all.

 

[dabig2]

Job is more like a suck up than a badass.

Job was the ant you burned maniacally with your microscope in your backyard when you were 8. Doesn't really matter what his thoughts and feelings are, he's an insignificant speck. The story drives home that point when God goes all "who the FUCK are you" near the end.

 

[dragonzdogma]

What about all of Job's kids?

They are in Heaven in a much better place with Job now

We are kinda off topic now

So yeah, I see that they are "SATANIST"
to act against the 10 con tablet by trying to put their own Satanist statue.
All to make a point on how religious statues should not have anything to do with Congress/state

 

[sinxtanx]

I don't consider myself a Satanist but reading about TST it's definitely how I roll. Would probably go by "yeah, I'm a Satanist" if I didn't abhor labels.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

They are in Heaven in a much better place with Job now

Well then they sure are lucky Satan killed them.