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Anybody else fascinated by organised crime on tor/deepweb?
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tearsofash
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Yes, as long as you take its individual member's ratings seriously.
Shes looking up contract killers right now to get your ass.
Great. Now I'm watching a terrifying documentary on big chasing.
Gentleman Jack
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I think that may be a completely different documentary.
indigo-cyclops
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I gandered at Silk Road once, but I just wouldn't risk it. Especially because I would be tempted to buy something.
Plus, the other disgusting shit about Tor, specifically, the CP. Terrible, horrible.
Plus, the other disgusting shit about Tor, specifically, the CP. Terrible, horrible.
BigJonsson
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BigJonsson
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Death Grips lied to me.
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and they would know you are using it by..... ?
Jack Scofield
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So if you pay for a hit on someone, and that person doesn't get whacked, I guess you just got screwed out of a lot of money. You can't exactly go to the police and complain about being scammed out of a premeditated murder.
Ravensmash
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not doing that but how do Google not know this?
I've been on Tor and the I2P network for a while now. I also started because I was fascinated with the underground-ness of it all, and the fact that it feels more like the 90s internet and everyone is mostly tech-savvy and knowledgeable. At least on the right places. Then there's the absolute scum of the earth there as well which is a shame, but that's the nature of anonymous networks. Actually finding anything REALLY interesting that is credible is hard though. It seems mostly filled with people who do illegal and shady things, and doesn't appear to have a lot of actually valuable content. It has gotten more popular recently though, especially Tor, with more and more sites popping up.
Also if the FBI or whatever was really using Tor to spy on people, why would they allow several huge sites with CP on them to exist? Or are we insinuating that the FBI is actually running these sites? There's one site called the "Onion Pedo Video Archive" which is exactly what it sounds like FFS. It's no hoax, there is literally a huge archive of CP videos there. Just openly like that. And that's been around for years and years now. The FBI might use Tor for some really serious things, but I doubt that it includes spying on everyone that uses it.
Also if the FBI or whatever was really using Tor to spy on people, why would they allow several huge sites with CP on them to exist? Or are we insinuating that the FBI is actually running these sites? There's one site called the "Onion Pedo Video Archive" which is exactly what it sounds like FFS. It's no hoax, there is literally a huge archive of CP videos there. Just openly like that. And that's been around for years and years now. The FBI might use Tor for some really serious things, but I doubt that it includes spying on everyone that uses it.
There are many compromised exit nodes, but not by the FBI or anything. They're mostly set up by hackers and other individuals looking for idiots using Tor in the wrong way (e.g. logging in to sites with their usual account over non-encrypted connections using Tor or giving out personal info etc). Also, using Tor not to visit the regular Internet, but the internal .onion sites, guarantees encryption all the way from your PC to the server hosting the .onion site, which means no one can listen to the traffic.
I hear I2P is even safer than Tor though. I wonder why that won't catch on properly outside of Russia.
Edit: whoops, sorry for double post. I just assumed someone would have replied since my last reply.
Roger Danish
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That movie would end up looking like Hackers or The Net
You're telling me you wouldn't want to see JGL as a tech-savvy contract killer?? Or hear James Gandolfini talk about "dis ting of ours... on da inta-net"???
Well I preferred Information Super Highway, anyway.
And they could always buy drugs via mail order. The weak link in the chain was always shipping and it still is.
So your child porn cache/drug market would need a signed SSL cert? I don't see them doing that.
Correct. However the transactions rely on third-party payment and escrow services and communication can be done using third-party webmail. Those companies are able to obtain SSL certs.
SquiddyCracker
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Maybe they have back doors installed or something?
Other posters have said that surely the FBI wouldn't let a honeypot stay active, but of all the shady shit that the various intelligence organizations have done throughout history, letting an illegal honeypot stay active in order to nab bees is something I could see them doing.
There's not a Tor back door. The big risk is not staying encrypted and giving out your personal info. Outside of that, so long as nobody is already watching you at your physical location, you're safe. Your ISP could be watching you, but they'd also have to be on the same network as your exit node, and even then there's the issue of getting the encrypted data readable.
Also, the FBI isn't "letting" the honey pots exist to catch people, they just haven't found a way to shut the shit holes down. I mean, Silk Road has a LOT of drugs by reputable (read: vendors that have done a ton of completed transactions) business, and they're still shipping stuff with little worry. With all the available fines they could charge, I'm confident they want to get these places shut down.
So long as you stick to .onion sites, https, sites that require Tor, etc. you're pretty straight.
phosphor112
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there really isn't much on there.. at least from what I've seen. It's mostly black markets and tutorials on doing illegal things.
AlimNassor
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TSR is safe if you go by user ratings. It's kinda main stream now. It's kidding the drug market, as dealers can't compete with online stuff. Why risk arrest or bad stuff in person when you can get a lot of cheap drugs delivered to your home without the hassle of going to a dealer?
TSR is not hard to find, it's not a secret club it's very well known, the police know about it, the government knows about it, everyone, gawker did a long article about it too. Anything super illegal like hitmen, etc would not be in any visible location. Theres zero chance you could find one.
TSR is not hard to find, it's not a secret club it's very well known, the police know about it, the government knows about it, everyone, gawker did a long article about it too. Anything super illegal like hitmen, etc would not be in any visible location. Theres zero chance you could find one.
More interesting than the drugs is the number of currency counterfeiters. I could see drug enforcement not necessarily dedicating the resources to pursue online sales, but the Secret Service has to investigate all instances of counterfeit currency.
There also seems to be tons of credit card fraud, which you would think would motivate private industry to intervene if they had a workable method of doing so.
Rainbow In The Dark
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I'm more interested in the 'Scene' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_scene), it such a weird idea to have defined groups with specific rules and seems like it wouldn't be very complicated to shut down considering how much they advertise themselves
JetBlackPanda
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so what is it?
looks like CP, I cant imagine google images has actual pics of it though but I just read a yahoo answer
I sorta know how the warez scene works. It really isn't anything special. One person (usually in china) gets a hold of a movie early then they upload it to some private tracker. Rest of the users then snatch it and upload it to every other tracker to build their buffer till finally it reaches really public places. Not all that intricate or as complex as that wiki article makes it sound. People who release encodes consistently usually hang out on really private trackers that are really hard to get into. They call them 'internal releases' when they first get upload to the super private trackers.
With all due respects, You have no idea what you are talking about. At all.
what am I ignorant on exactly? I know it encompasses more than movies. I have no clue when it comes to software.
Just get on Tor, look up the Tor Library, click on hidden wiki. There's no images there.
Ravensmash
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I know Google doesn't host these images,but if this is the case and random users know about it then why the hell is it still up/included in results?
That said, I didn't search it just incase.
Ravensmash
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I've been doing a bit of reading on this though, and it astounds me how something which facilitates criminal trades so damn easy exists so close to view. It's not even 'hidden' as such, especially seeing as browsers can just get add ons very easily.
No doubt law enforcement/governments monitor it like hawks though.
Obviously, something encrypted like that has its positives for those oppressed individuals in dangerous locations, but it's a shame that it has to come with such a seedy underbelly.
Edit: sorry, presumed someone would've replied by now!
No doubt law enforcement/governments monitor it like hawks though.
Obviously, something encrypted like that has its positives for those oppressed individuals in dangerous locations, but it's a shame that it has to come with such a seedy underbelly.
Edit: sorry, presumed someone would've replied by now!
$2 million a month in drug sales on the internet astounds me as well...
I still find it hard to believe.
Ravensmash
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Yep, just seems way too easy and apparently out of reach for law enforcement, same with other unsavoury elements.
It's probably not as easy as we think. I'm sure they dedicate their time and money to other more "important" things.
But I really have no idea. Like I said the fact that something like this exists is crazy to me.
You're not going to get in trouble for checking stuff out. It's not like you'll accidentally stumble upon CP or anything like that. SR is plenty safe.
would be lying if I said I wasn't highly tempted to check out the silk road. way too lazy to get it all set up though. gonna disable scripts and images in my browser if I do decide to go ~_~
who here has ordered from there and did you vomit sulfuric acid after consuming the 'product' you ordered?
who here has ordered from there and did you vomit sulfuric acid after consuming the 'product' you ordered?
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