The haters are just more vocal, that's all. It won GAF's 2008 GOTY. Twice.
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Anyone else feel that MGS4 is quite depressing?
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The haters are just more vocal, that's all. It won GAF's 2008 GOTY. Twice.
The Last One
Member
If Kojima was depressed for making another MGS when creating the MGS4 why he produced another 2 MGS games after this?
I should replay this game before MGSV. It had tons of iconic moments and the gameplay was fun to play around with. But yes, depressed is a good way to describe its story. It ended on a perhaps too happy note considering what it set out for. The intro with Snake with the rebel forces as the Love Theme plays is chilling.
The Cartographer
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Bluekaveli
Member
Wait, maybe MGS4 is based on what just happened to Kojima? He knew it was soon to happen but he put it in Video game form.
The Last One
Member
I guess. I'm really curious about MGSV story, maybe he did the same thing again but with Big Boss this time.
family_guy
Member
Kojima just doesn't like Snake. Started with MGS2.
- Kojima, in response to having to make Metal Gear Solid 4
Ultimately, if you're going to reflect on combat, death and obsolescence the tone is going to be sombre and chilly. There were a few laughs along the way but ultimately the tone fit the thematics.
Kojima I think veers between fetish obsession with combat and "cool" and the realities and horror of war, with MGS IV I think overall he simply veered more to the reflective side.
Still, overall happy endings of sorts all round after a long, hard journey no?
Kojima I think veers between fetish obsession with combat and "cool" and the realities and horror of war, with MGS IV I think overall he simply veered more to the reflective side.
Still, overall happy endings of sorts all round after a long, hard journey no?
Same here.
That would have been better, but it in no was excuses giving Solid Snake a moustache.
Why would anyone pick 4 except for attempting to blow up the franchise?
Okay you've sold me. 3 there is fucking gorgeous.
Bluekaveli
Member
Konami needed someone to make them money.
EarsOfASnake
Member
I appreciated it having a different tone to it's peers of the time, as a stand alone game I can see that it could come across as depressing though. The important thing with MGS 4 is to take in to account the time it was made and all the baggage it carried with it from a decade (decade plus if you include the msx games) past. It was a huge deal to see the end of the various characters story after all this time.
Yep. Meryl should have been alone and more focused on a non-romantic partnership with Old Snake.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Real talk: I still tear up at
"Snake... had a hard life."
TheSpaceBetween
Member
It's incredibly depressing. I've never felt as bad for a gaming character as I did for Old Snake.
CouchMaster
Member
It was depressing as fuck from start to end, and the ending (before credits) was just icing on this sad pile of cake. People dancing and celebrating while the guy who they should be thanking for it is
sitting at the Boss' grave with a gun in his mouth, about to end his life
Punchy4486
Banned
If you're invested in the characters, parts of MGS4 are tragic. Snake is just put through an emotional and physical wringer the entire game.
Finds out that he has a year left to live, has to see the shock and pity of every friend or love interest that hasn't seen him recently at his physical state (including stripping naked in front of Naomi), has to deal with a love interest marrying someone else, finds out he doesn't have a year to live - he has 6 months - and will become a walking talking WMD killing everyone he comes into contact with, not to mention the attempted suicide and microwave sequence.
Rough stuff.
I actually teared up at a few points:
Finds out that he has a year left to live, has to see the shock and pity of every friend or love interest that hasn't seen him recently at his physical state (including stripping naked in front of Naomi), has to deal with a love interest marrying someone else, finds out he doesn't have a year to live - he has 6 months - and will become a walking talking WMD killing everyone he comes into contact with, not to mention the attempted suicide and microwave sequence.
Rough stuff.
I actually teared up at a few points:
- Snake's embarrassment when he meets Meryl again
- Crawling through the microwave (something about having to physically get him through it, and the button being less and less responsive, hammered this home)
- "Snake... had a hard life"
Old Snake is such an amazing character.
Me too, that one scene with him and Meryl could have been handled better but other than that I didn't mind him at all and it was actually pretty cool to see a side character like him be given a bigger role like that.
On a side note, probably just me but the very first time I saw him take off his mask he really looked like a young Snake to me for some reason. I was like "holy shit, a new clone?!" lol.
Me too, that one scene with him and Meryl could have been handled better but other than that I didn't mind him at all and it was actually pretty cool to see a side character like him be given a bigger role like that.
On a side note, probably just me but the very first time I saw him take off his mask he really looked like a young Snake to me for some reason. I was like "holy shit, a new clone?!" lol.
That would have been better, but it in no was excuses giving Solid Snake a moustache.
Why would anyone pick 4 except for attempting to blow up the franchise?
1. Cool. But it doesn't get across the whole accelerated aging thing.
2. Meh. Wannabe Big Boss.
3. I like this a lot, but again, beards are for Big Boss, right?
4. The best. Fits the game.
Anyway, it would've been cool to be able to unlock all of these for use in new game plus.
SamuelSupreme
Banned
That would have been better, but it in no was excuses giving Solid Snake a moustache.
Why would anyone pick 4 except for attempting to blow up the franchise?
My pick would have been 2 or 3...full circle he looks just like his Father
Jawmuncher
Member
It would have been depressing had Kojima kept with the original ending. Yeah it sucks seeing him being broken down and still fighting. But that ending just throws that away I feel.
I'm actually going to play 4 again soon. So maybe my opinion will change.
I'm actually going to play 4 again soon. So maybe my opinion will change.
That would have been better, but it in no was excuses giving Solid Snake a moustache.
Why would anyone pick 4 except for attempting to blow up the franchise?
#3 best IMO
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
It's one of the most amazing games to play through. Yes, the story is depressing. That was the intention and Kojima succeeded in conveying that to the player.
Haha... I found the 2012 2008 GOTY thread. Someone should make a new 2008 GOTY voting thread every four years. It's our version of the presidential election.
Super_Cobra
Member
Everyone was depressed specially snake. Naomi was depressed, otacon, everyone. Even the bosses. lol.
Amazing game though.
Amazing game though.
Holy shit. I completely forgot (MGS4 Spoilers)
that Big Boss died at the end of this game. Jesus Christ it has been so long
He was going to kill himself to prevent the Foxdie within him that made him a walking biological weapon from killing countless more. Big Boss informed him that the Foxdie shot he received in the game (from Drebin) nullified it and he was able to live out a peaceful life.
The mood of the game was evident from the start. "War has changed" was said in a very sad tone. Also, it was promoted with Snake having a gun in his mouth and you could tell that whatever he was about to go through, it would be terrible.
Snake's story is tragic and I wonder if that's a cause of the disconnect of this game with gamers. Sad movies are sometimes considered epic but a lot of folks do not enjoy them as much as summer blockbusters, Empire Strikes Back is a great example of this. I know that when I watch movies about people's lives, I love seeing their raise to greatness but their fall from grace is usually difficult and this game is all about Snake's demise as he's trying one last time to finish off Liquid Ocelot. Considering we saw Solid Snakes rise from MG and MG2 over to MG Solid and Solid 2, I feel that we, as gamers, felt for this character. Made MGS4 harder for those who wanted to see him raise to greatness again rather than fall down like an old man.
I love MGS4, excellent game.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
Old people are notoriously underrepresented in gaming. We've talked a lot about women being represented in video games, but old people rarely star in their own game.
Same with ugly people. or fat people. they are rarely the main playable character. I love the diversity provided by old Snake. Old broken man. That was something we rarely saw in gaming.
Look at all the characters who just grow a beard and go bald. :/
Same with ugly people. or fat people. they are rarely the main playable character. I love the diversity provided by old Snake. Old broken man. That was something we rarely saw in gaming.
Look at all the characters who just grow a beard and go bald. :/
Ganondorfo
Junior Member
If Gaf did the poll again, it wouldn't win anymore. Metal Gear Solid 4 should have never been Solid Snake last game.
That's what Kojima is aiming for IMO. Regardless if it was his last MGS.
No matter the outcome, Old Snake is going to die.
Who cares about your soul. Watch it gaf vote it 2008 GotY for the 3rd time.
No matter the outcome, Old Snake is going to die.
Then Big Boss' final moments too..
Who cares about your soul. Watch it gaf vote it 2008 GotY for the 3rd time.
Yeah, sure he did. I'm not falling for that one a third time. Dude's fine.
Truth.
Killing_Joke
Member
I'm 99% positive if you read haters posts in the official OT when released they probably loved it. Just too lazy to do the research. But game got multiple 10's and was rather loved a lot from what remember. Most of the hate comes from they story anyways which i can understand a little bit. But it's far from the worst stories ever, especially when majority of games today don't even have a decent story.
akidnamededdy
Banned
A side character whose defining character trait is constantly shitting his own pants. Johnny is a fucking joke and That Scene only succeeded in dragging Meryl down to his stupid shitty level.
They should've given his role to a new character and made that frustrating idiot you follow around through Act 3 be Johnny.
Dunno, I found it pretty cool how you had this soldier that wasn't enhanced like the others on his team and trying his very best to keep up.
From the wiki:
To me, as a big fan of the series, it was much cooler to see him get the role he did instead of some brand new character and his connection with Meryl due to what happened in MGS1 was hilariously great.
Nice rofl
That's exactly what people said in 2012.
meltingparappa
Member
He wasn't dragging down Meryl to his level, he was setting setting up a specific series of circumstances that would eventually land the two of them in space.
...after he went by his unofficial middle name of "Dave", of course.
Hypereides
Member
Very. Which also why I am hesitant to get back to it, eventhough I want to replay it. Generally, most MGS games end on a somber note, however, MGS4 takes the top next to MGS3.
Mat-triX
Member
That would have been better, but it in no was excuses giving Solid Snake a moustache.
Why would anyone pick 4 except for attempting to blow up the franchise?
When ever I see this, I always remember that alot of people don't realize that Solid Snake only had a beard ONCE - MGS2 - and even then, it wasn't a full beard. Everyone seems to remember Solid Snake as he was seen in Super Smash Bros Brawl (where they DID give him a full beard).
What would be above it?
What crimes? That sounds like an awful ending. I think the ending we got was absolutely perfect.
The game was already sad enough. It ended on a great note.
Well they were working against the government, from the wikis:
And yeah I agree, the ending we got was better.