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anyone else not interested in going forward if Wii U dominates?

Amir0x said:
and that's part of the reason why it doesn't offend me!
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Main reason I don't see the Wii U as a huge innovation is because the DS already showed me 8 years ago how awesome two screens are. While I'm thrilled it's coming to a home console, I don't see it as something innovative.
 
DrForester said:
Main reason I don't see the Wii U as a huge innovation is because the DS already showed me 8 years ago how awesome two screens are. While I'm thrilled it's coming to a home console, I don't see it as something innovative.
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Well perhaps I am trying to hard too sell the idea, but I don't think Wii U is simply DS 2.0. Although it wasn't the most stellar proof of concept, that recent video of NBA 2K13 for Wii U shows that, since the two screens are detached, orientation between the two screens can be used to toggle different kinds of information. Whether this is truly useful or not... remains to be seen! I'm not entirely sold on the biometric scan idea from NBA 2K13 but it's nice to dream :3
 
DrForester said:
What IS the direction you want for gaming then? I hear people say things like this a lot, but where do you want gaming to go? Total focus on hardware power, with no real innovation on control? What direction is the Wii U going that affronts you so, because I don't see the Wii U as a huge innovation, I see it as something trying to go down the Xbox and PS3 path, and taking the DS innovation along for the trip.
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I want a regular controller and more graphics on level 3.


Zeer0id said:
too easy lol
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I am a core gamer, I almost have every console dude.
 
DrForester said:
Main reason I don't see the Wii U as a huge innovation is because the DS already showed me 8 years ago how awesome two screens are. While I'm thrilled it's coming to a home console, I don't see it as something innovative.
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Is it innovative? Probably not. However, it does offer unique and different experiences that hasn't been done on other platforms. I see local multiplayer being huge having seen Nintendoland. Nintendo at the least gets that software with a strong multiplayer foundation is where the moneys at ie wii sports, mario kart, NSMBW, SSB, etc. They're not being new or innovative but I think the experience will be different from other platforms available. The system itself was very market conscious in terms of development. Its got software that appealed to the Wii crowd such as Nintendoland, NSMBU, SING, JD4, Wii Fit as well as wiimotes. Nintendo fan crowd is covered with NSMBU, Pikmin 3, Legos and Rayman. Western gamers with ZombiU, Bayo 2, a bunch of ports and 360/PS3 controller functionality built in. Japanese gamers with DQX, MHTriU, and NSMBU. iPad/iPhone gamers with tablet design and social networking.

Obviously it remains to be seen whether they will actually succeed with this and some aspects definetly seem weak. In particular trying to win the 360/PS3 and iPad crowd. However, their vision and development of Wii U makes sense and seems like an appropriate response to the current market. Execution on the other hand remains to be seen.
 
CoconutTank said:
Well perhaps I am trying to hard too sell the idea, but I don't think Wii U is simply DS 2.0. Although it wasn't the most stellar proof of concept, that recent video of NBA 2K13 for Wii U shows that, since the two screens are detached, orientation between the two screens can be used to toggle different kinds of information. Whether this is truly useful or not... remains to be seen! I'm not entirely sold on the biometric scan idea from NBA 2K13 but it's nice to dream :3
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Lord_Byron28 said:
Is it innovative? Probably not. However, it does offer unique and different experiences that hasn't been done on other platforms. I see local multiplayer being huge having seen Nintendoland. Nintendo at the least gets that software with a strong multiplayer foundation is where the moneys at ie wii sports, mario kart, NSMBW, SSB, etc. They're not being new or innovative but I think the experience will be different from other platforms available. The system itself was very market conscious in terms of development. Its got software that appealed to the Wii crowd such as Nintendoland, NSMBU, SING, JD4, Wii Fit as well as wiimotes. Nintendo fan crowd is covered with NSMBU, Pikmin 3, Legos and Rayman. 360/PS3 gamers with ZombiU, Bayo 2, a bunch of ports and 360/PS3 controller functionality built in. Social/Cell phone gamers with tablet design and social networking.

Obviously it remains to be seen whether they will actually succeed with this and some aspects definetly seem weak. In particular trying to win the 360/PS3 and iPad crowd. However, their vision and development of Wii U makes sense and seems like an appropriate response to the current market. Execution on the other hand remains to be seen.
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Don't get me wrong, I think that there's a lot of unique stuff they can do with it on a console setting that the DS could only dream of, and I'm pumped for it. I just mean to say that I don't see it as a huge innovation, just an improvement of an existing innovation.
 
DrForester said:
So, more power, nothing else?
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On the real, I won't think the power of the consoles stagnating is the right "answer" if one is required. More power can mean a lot of things, not just an increase in visuals. If power had stagnated last generation, games like assassin's creed and gears of war may have never existed.
 
DrForester said:
Don't get me wrong, I think that there's a lot of unique stuff they can do with it on a console setting that the DS could only dream of, and I'm pumped for it. I just mean to say that I don't see it as a huge innovation, just an improvement of an existing innovation.
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Yes I agree. Its more of a refined, culmulative console like NES-SNES, PS1-PS2, Xbox-360, GB-GBA, DS-3DS, etc.
 
This is just my opinion, but if the Wii U dominates it will actually be a good thing. The Wii U will be able to get all the ports that owners of the system will want to go along with the Nintendo exclusives and if a ton of people (it's going to sell like mad, lets be honest) jump on it this holiday, those same ones will be less likely to buy the next Xbox and PS4 for said port reasons above.

The question for the next gen is going to be which system has the better exclusives and the answer is going to be Nintendo first and Sony second. Gears of War will probably go multiplatform if Epic has it's way, leaving Microsoft with the Halo series. The Wii U can show that owning 1 console in the coming generation is all that is needed, that is unless the other 2 companies actually innovate and come up with something that will be disruptive like Nintendo did with the original Wii.

A lot of people that left Nintendo between the N64 era to the Wii era have been waiting for the company to give them a reason to go back. Developers have always talked about their love affair with Nintendo since the NES-SNES but haven't had much reason to develop on their consoles since that time.

If the Wii U was called the Super Nintendo 2 with the same huge launch line-up of games and the same Gamepad, would the response be the same? I think people will start to "get it" when the system is released in November. Releasing a new console during a time when ipads and iphones are showing themselves to be great diversions while making other companies tons of money is a big challenge for Nintendo, but they will be fine as usual....

For those of you who want this system to fail so badly, remember that without Nintendo being around in gaming since 1981 and pissing you off for all these years there wouldn't be so many passionate gamers around today and gaming itself would probably be discarded by now.
 
If Wii U dominates, then:

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CambriaRising said:
On the real, I won't think the power of the consoles stagnating is the right "answer" if one is required. More power can mean a lot of things, not just an increase in visuals. If power had stagnated last generation, games like assassin's creed and gears of war may have never existed.
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How could Gears of War not be done on earlier systems? Just dumb down the textures and cut some polygons, the gameplay won't be adversely affected by it. If you said Dead Rising, I would've agreed with you, but there's not many games that make use of the power that couldn't be done on earlier systems.
 
DrForester said:
Main reason I don't see the Wii U as a huge innovation is because the DS already showed me 8 years ago how awesome two screens are. While I'm thrilled it's coming to a home console, I don't see it as something innovative.
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The touch screen controller is hardly the innovation here. I think the true innovation here will be able to stream games to your controller without having to use a TV. Sure this feature has been available to a limited degree with the PS3/ PSP, but this is the first time such a feature will be standardized within the console itself.

As for this topic, even if Nintendo does dominate the console market again. It won't change much from the way things are now. Sony and MS will still release high end game consoles that cater to the "hard core" gamers. People will still primarily buy a Wii-U for the first party software, and PC gaming will still get the best of everything
that isn't first party exclusive
.
 
I honestly hope the WII U dominates. The potential for amazing gameplay is there.

If the Wii u dominates it will be a positive thing for the gaming industry.

Also op if graphics are important to you just buy a gaming pc.

Gaming PC + Wii u will cover all my gaming needs next gen.
No need to even touch the Kinect heavy xbox system or the probably overpriced and dead on arrival Sony system.
 
I don't get these asinine reactions to videogames.

No one is forcing you to buy a Wii U.

The Wii U being successful doesn't automatically mean the other 2 won't be. You'll still get to play the next Gears, Uncharted, Halo etc on the next PS or Xbox regardless of what the Wii does.
 
gryz said:
no, progress is linked to ideas and gameplay. Nothing on ps3 or 360 can touch a game like mario galaxy 2
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Yeah and nothing on Wii can touch a game like RDR or Bioshock. Your point? Are you going to actually argue about how mario galaxy 2 is better than Bioshock now? Lol.
 
Tablets and phones are dominating the handheld market, but that won't make me give up on traditional handhelds.

I think Wii U can be a good thing. It might be a haven for a lot of Japanese RPGs. With DQ and Monster Hunter, Nintendo's dominance in Japan could mean more Japanese developer support like the DS and PSP. It can mean more localized games for us. I think the timing could be just right for it.

I'm actually looking forward to see how the Wii U progresses regarding JRPGs.
 
as long as they keep making games I want to play, not a single fuck is given.

I prefer playstation and xbox's region free strategy though, much easier to buy their games here in asia, I don't remember a lot of wii games being localized, it's one of the reasons I never bothered with it.
 
Anteater said:
as long as they keep making games I want to play, not a single fuck is given.

I prefer playstation and xbox's region free strategy though, much easier to buy their games here in asia, I don't remember a lot of wii games being localized, it's one of the reasons I never bothered with it.
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Most of the games that weren't localized weren't that great to be honest. Thankfully Xenoblade and The Last Story made it over here. Also, the homebrew scene was strong on the Wii making it practically region free ;)

But all in all I agree with you. I would prefer the Wii U to be region free.
 
CambriaRising said:
On the real, I won't think the power of the consoles stagnating is the right "answer" if one is required. More power can mean a lot of things, not just an increase in visuals. If power had stagnated last generation, games like assassin's creed and gears of war may have never existed.
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Wii U direction is nothing similar to Wii though.

Wii was a separation point that Nintendo created not to stagnate the power increase, but to level it against both production and development costs.

That is, Wii -> Wii U is much more of a jump than Xbox -> 360, and yet it is much more affordable than 360; the difference is that Nintendo believes consoles should be priced toward mainstream, allow room for novelties and in a way that development costs aren't increased much either.


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So basically:

Nintendo: Affordable consoles, focusing on novelties and sustainable development costs
Sony and Microsoft: high end tech, focusing on blockbusters


The difference is not in the relative jump from each generation, but in the absolute power of each generation [compared to High end PCs for example]
 
meta4 said:
Yeah and nothing on Wii can touch a game like RDR or Bioshock. Your point? Are you going to actually argue about how mario galaxy 2 is better than Bioshock now? Lol.
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Super Mario Galaxy 2 is far better than Bioshock. Simply the most fun I've had in any game for years.

anyway, opinions dude.
 
meta4 said:
Yeah and nothing on Wii can touch a game like RDR or Bioshock. Your point? Are you going to actually argue about how mario galaxy 2 is better than Bioshock now? Lol.
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Galaxy 2 has a higher Metacritic than BioShock (97 v 96). Most people would agree it was a better game.
 
mirror's edge is like the hd console sonic equivalent of the wii's super mario galaxy 2.

er, to put it better:

mirror's edge : sonic the hedgehog 2 :: super mario galaxy 2 : super mario world

what mirror's edge does in the genre is so different than what smg2 does, but it's fucking excellent.

oh, and bioshock is kinda like the hd version of metroid prime, except with voice acting, and without any level design or challenge.

rdr is nice. i really liked the intro to the second half of the game from a game design standpoint. really beautiful moment. the change in scenery from gta-world was cool too.
 
meta4 said:
Yeah and nothing on Wii can touch a game like RDR or Bioshock. Your point? Are you going to actually argue about how mario galaxy 2 is better than Bioshock now? Lol.
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Oh dear. I'm not the type to call out a junior for being a junior, but come on man. Do you have any idea what an opinion is? What does what you said even mean? How could nothing on Wii "touch" RDR or Bioshock?! I hated RDR. I had more fun with fucking Flingsmash. You have no point.
 
I hope user input doesn't become too overcomplicated.
So far the industry seems to be going that way... PS Move, Xbox Kinect, ...Wii U dual screen (maybe? who knows).

It just all seems too distracting. I like that I can become unaware of my controller when I'm engrossed in an experience.
 
meta4 said:
Yeah and nothing on Wii can touch a game like RDR or Bioshock. Your point? Are you going to actually argue about how mario galaxy 2 is better than Bioshock now? Lol.
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Bioshock was way too boring, great looking setting though....RDR is GTA cowboy, if you dont like gta you wont like RDR....
 
meta4 said:
Yeah and nothing on Wii can touch a game like RDR or Bioshock. Your point? Are you going to actually argue about how mario galaxy 2 is better than Bioshock now? Lol.
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Lol there's no need to argue. Look at the reviews and sales of each.
 
Shoot, I'm not interested at all in that controller, but I suppose at the end of the day I'll go where the games end up. I just hope that that place comes with a dualshock.

MY HANDS AIN'T COMFORTABLE ANYWHERE ELSE, MAN ;_;
 
it will never happen.

devs will say:fuck the wii u-success, only nintendo games sell on the Wii U

and they will go on making games on the next xbox and PS
 
caligula13 said:
it will never happen.

devs will say:fuck the wii u-success, only nintendo games sell on the Wii U

and they will go on making games on the next xbox and PS
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Maybe Western developers, but they'll port much more of their stuff. Not everyone will close their eyes though, not everyone can afford to keep going with the insane AAA business model.
 
Anteater said:
as long as they keep making games I want to play, not a single fuck is given.

I prefer playstation and xbox's region free strategy though, much easier to buy their games here in asia, I don't remember a lot of wii games being localized, it's one of the reasons I never bothered with it.
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Wait what xbox isnt region free, it has a handful of games that are but the rest aint.
 
The only thing that would upset me, and it's extremely unlikely to happen, is if 3rd parties start developing for Wii-U as a primary platform gimping software on true next gen hardware coming from Sony and Microsoft. This didn't even come close to happening with the Wii (opposite in fact) and since the Wii-U will undoubtedly be less popular, I'm not too worried this could flip. It'll more than likely be the 360/PS3/Wii situation all over again with the Wii-U getting ports from Vita and swansong PS3 games.
 
Galaxy 2 has a higher Metacritic than BioShock (97 v 96). Most people would agree it was a better game.
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but what the fuck does general opinion have to do with anything? who gives a shit what anyone else thinks?

Gaming taste is a individual as music taste, so invoking "popular opinion" is akin to "*snort* BOWIE!? Taylor Swift has a review average of 9.8... !!!"

(not quite fair given Galaxy 2 is a great game, just saying - if you are reaching over for Metacritic at any point in time, just punch yourself in the knickers instead)
 
Metacritic lol
I won't give a shit if Wii U dominates. It'll just be the same as this gen in the end.
Nintendo doesn't care enough about the home console market to stick it out for a full generation.
 
personally i believe Nintendo are exactly what the industry needs right now.

Only ignorant people would fail to see to see the games industry is in a bad place and has been for s
ome time.

Technological power is no longer the biggest limitation developers face when wanting to create the games they envision without compromise. It's now money and human resources.

Most quality Xbox 360, PS3, and PC games now cost well into the mid tens of millions to develop. A++ blockbuster titles are approaching and even exceeding 100 million USD. Not only is the cost of modern game development astronomical, the amount of staff and time requred is insane.

As a result we've now in a situation where developers cannot afford to finance games on their own. They're turning to publishers to back roll their game development, and as a result the publishers have all the power. The big name publishers like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, these guys rarely finance and publish games that they do not own the IP to. If you're a developer pitching a new idea, by the time you sign with a publisher it's almost certain you've now lost the rights to that IP and it's now owned by a souless corporation. More likely however is that your idea is knocked back, as it's far safer to rehash pre existing and popular IPs like FIFA and COD then it is to take a chance and spend tens of millions on something new.

I think Nintendo is one of the few big industry players that actually acknowledges that this current business model is not sustainable, and unless we can keep development costs lower, we're going to see this industry decline.
 
if Wii U finds a way to bring back jRPGs to keep me busy the entire gen, then I wouldn't really care, but if it's Mario this, Mario That, Zelda, Metroid and the rest of the first party stuff, I have no interest.....
 
Haliela said:
The only thing that would upset me, and it's extremely unlikely to happen, is if 3rd parties start developing for Wii-U as a primary platform gimping software on true next gen hardware coming from Sony and Microsoft. This didn't even come close to happening with the Wii (opposite in fact) and since the Wii-U will undoubtedly be less popular, I'm not too worried this could flip. It'll more than likely be the 360/PS3/Wii situation all over again with the Wii-U getting ports from Vita and swansong PS3 games.
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Sure will, everything will be more of the same, including closures.
 
"Anyone else not interested in going forward if Wii U dominates?"

No, at the right circumstancies, I have no problem about that scenario.
BTW, I hope that at least one of the other competitors will follow its own path in terms of control scheme and hardware performances.

What I prefer the most is having different proposals on the market to choose among.
 
meta4 said:
Yeah and nothing on Wii can touch a game like RDR or Bioshock. Your point? Are you going to actually argue about how mario galaxy 2 is better than Bioshock now? Lol.
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Lol Junior Members, they don't know what opinions are. If he felt that Mario Galaxy 2 is better than Bioshock, then he IS allowed to feel that way. I feel that System Shock 2 is better than Bioshock.
 
Bluemercury said:
Bioshock was way too boring, great looking setting though....RDR is GTA cowboy, if you dont like gta you wont like RDR....
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That's not true at all. I find GTA IV a very boring and mediocre game, but RDR is a great game. There might be similarities between the two, but at the same they're too different. Labeling RDR as some GTA in the wild west is not entirely fair.

Anyway, carry on with this weird thread.
 
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