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Anyone still feeling burned by ME3 that they're put off by Andromeda?
- Thread starter Dinky Dino
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ME3 has some shortcomings, but a good chunk of those shortcomings have their roots going all the way back to ME1. The Rachni quest is a perfect example. ME3 gets shit because the Rachni quest plays out pretty much the same regardless of the player's decision in ME1. Problem is, with the cost of modern game development being what it is, there was really no other option given how binary and mutually exclusive the ME1 decision point was. ME1 led the player to expect that either Rachni would exist in ME3, or not at all. As if Bioware is going to create this whole new questline and enemy type that only half the audience is going to ever see and somehow this wouldn't give all of their producers a heart attack. Not happening. So in order to justify the cost of the Rachni content for the "Save the queen" branch, they had to bring Rachni into the "Kill the queen" branch too, even though that disrupts the player's expectations. This all goes back to an apparent lack of foresight during ME1's development. Either they had an initial plan that accounted for this that got cut at some point, or no one stopped to ask, "So what exactly are we going to do in the future when the halves of our playerbas expects mutually exclusive content?"
spazchicken
Member
If you don't want to play Andromeda purely because you didn't like the last ten minutes of ME3, you're an idiot.
Call me YHWH
Member
What a terrible response.
31GhostsIV
Banned
I think ME3 has had a negative effect on my anticipation levels for Andromeda, however a big part of the first trilogy was the characters. Not just Shep, but everyone else to met along the way. Starting a game set hundreds of years later with a new group of characters doesn't excite me at all.
Plus I thought DA:I was tedious garbage and I worry they're going to splice DNA from that game into this. Irrational, I know. But still...
Plus I thought DA:I was tedious garbage and I worry they're going to splice DNA from that game into this. Irrational, I know. But still...
HueyFreeman
Banned
I don't agree with people who would write off a game based on its ending necessarily either - especially since ME is about exploration, not exposition - but responses like this don't add much
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Mass Effect 3 was the ultimate lesson in the dangers of hype culture for me.
A friend of mine actually quit gaming for several years because the ending ME3 burned him so hard that he couldnt get into games anymore. He only just started getting back into gaming with a PS4 a few months ago.
Some people had a lot of emotional investment in the game. I thought the finale at the Earth where you say goodbye to everyone was fantastic. Everything after getting beamed up just broke me.
A friend of mine actually quit gaming for several years because the ending ME3 burned him so hard that he couldnt get into games anymore. He only just started getting back into gaming with a PS4 a few months ago.
Some people had a lot of emotional investment in the game. I thought the finale at the Earth where you say goodbye to everyone was fantastic. Everything after getting beamed up just broke me.
Sort of? Kind of?
Mass Effect has had a kind of Gears of War/Modern Warfare effect on me. The first one comes as an incredible surprise that broke my expectations of a genre and how good games can be. The second one ups the scale and the stakes, provides an ample level of expected improvements and becomes something of a predictably great game. By the time the third game comes around I just feel kinda indifferent about it all, since it all feels too safe and unexciting, if not a bit disappointing. Something once great and innovative feels then as if its going through the motions. Then a fourth game comes along many years later, starting off fresh and promising something different, though the jury's out on whether it succeeds on that.
I will say Andromeda looks like a much greater and bigger breath of fresh air compared to the other franchises with revivals that I used as examples. A lot of it looks kind of great as far as gameplay goes, but I'm not sure whether I'm still interested in Mass Effect. Time will tell but I think it looks neat so far.
Mass Effect has had a kind of Gears of War/Modern Warfare effect on me. The first one comes as an incredible surprise that broke my expectations of a genre and how good games can be. The second one ups the scale and the stakes, provides an ample level of expected improvements and becomes something of a predictably great game. By the time the third game comes around I just feel kinda indifferent about it all, since it all feels too safe and unexciting, if not a bit disappointing. Something once great and innovative feels then as if its going through the motions. Then a fourth game comes along many years later, starting off fresh and promising something different, though the jury's out on whether it succeeds on that.
I will say Andromeda looks like a much greater and bigger breath of fresh air compared to the other franchises with revivals that I used as examples. A lot of it looks kind of great as far as gameplay goes, but I'm not sure whether I'm still interested in Mass Effect. Time will tell but I think it looks neat so far.
I'm sorry to say yes and not just because of the way they ended the story. I feel Mass Effect suffered from a traditional failing in science fiction stories: impressive world building and visual style but bad followthrough. I cared a lot more about the Citadel and the biotic mutineers and how Earth was being politically divided as it got flung into this galactic community and all of that, but got so bored by the Reapers and Protheans. Sometimes those "future history" mysteries should stay that way.
Of course, many of game mechanics got better in many ways. So that's not exactly the problem. My only exception to that is how some of the skill building nuance was lost as the series continued. It was clumsy, but very specific in its own way. I really enjoyed that! All in all, I just don't trust this company to develop this property in a way I like. (I'm sure others will enjoy it however!)
Of course, many of game mechanics got better in many ways. So that's not exactly the problem. My only exception to that is how some of the skill building nuance was lost as the series continued. It was clumsy, but very specific in its own way. I really enjoyed that! All in all, I just don't trust this company to develop this property in a way I like. (I'm sure others will enjoy it however!)
It's less the subpar ME3 (and there's a lot more wrong with it than just the last 10 minutes), but more my general distaste in modern Bioware games that turns me off of Andromeda.
Shit like this is why we can't have nice things.
Shit like this is why we can't have nice things.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
No. Being upset about one poor design decision this many years later is petty.
Initially it did.
But it sounds like BioWare has learned a few lessons with ME3 and DA:I, that I am willing to see if they actually have.
I'm no where near invested as I was post ME:2, I just want to see if they upped the quality in general. DA:I was pretty sloppy which really held it back from being truly great IMO. If ME:A is still uses those outdated, clunky animations, I am going to be far less enthused about any future releases.
We'll see.
But it sounds like BioWare has learned a few lessons with ME3 and DA:I, that I am willing to see if they actually have.
I'm no where near invested as I was post ME:2, I just want to see if they upped the quality in general. DA:I was pretty sloppy which really held it back from being truly great IMO. If ME:A is still uses those outdated, clunky animations, I am going to be far less enthused about any future releases.
We'll see.
If Bioware learned they will remaster the original trilogy and include a better ending.
The ending of ME3 didn't bother me in the slighest. In fact, I can't even remember what happened distinctly, or why. Something involving some omniscient child, blah blah The End.
What DID bother me was some of the decisions they took with regards the fate of certain characters. I won't go into spoilers here, but one of my companions decided to commit suicide, based on the outcome of a pivotal choice I made. This not only upset me, but it seemed out of character for such a previously strong individual. I'm all in favour of realism - even in a space opera - but WTF Bioware. Was that really necessary?
What DID bother me was some of the decisions they took with regards the fate of certain characters. I won't go into spoilers here, but one of my companions decided to commit suicide, based on the outcome of a pivotal choice I made. This not only upset me, but it seemed out of character for such a previously strong individual. I'm all in favour of realism - even in a space opera - but WTF Bioware. Was that really necessary?
The Thnikkaman
Neo Member
I don't find myself to be TOO put off. I'm decently hyped for Andromeda, but I won't be able to get around to it until later in the year.
ME3 had loads of issues but I did in general have a very good time with it. Even the half-baked multiplayer was decently fun.
Unfortunately the First hour and the final 10 minutes or so are easily the worst parts of the game, and that leaves a bitter taste for alot of people. JFC remember that vanilla ending? Like, the revised endings aren't that much better but the vanilla endings were just unforgivable. I absolutely understand why anyone would say "fuck this" and get out of the series.
ME3 had loads of issues but I did in general have a very good time with it. Even the half-baked multiplayer was decently fun.
Unfortunately the First hour and the final 10 minutes or so are easily the worst parts of the game, and that leaves a bitter taste for alot of people. JFC remember that vanilla ending? Like, the revised endings aren't that much better but the vanilla endings were just unforgivable. I absolutely understand why anyone would say "fuck this" and get out of the series.
staticneuron
Member
Agreed. I couldn't be bothered to finish DA:I. At least hopefully Andromeda has great exploration.
TenCentCoast
Banned
Differing opinions about video games are "why we can't have nice things"? Lol, okay. Mass Effect 3 is a great game with a shitty ending and some subpar plot elements. Starchild is laughable. That being said,
Mordin's death
The Thnikkaman
Neo Member
The whole ending sequence and that final fight is really pretty good up until it just hits a brick wall called starchild.
I remember thinking the indoctrination theory floating around at the time was convincing enough. Did Bioware ever actually say anything definitive regarding it?
I will be there Day 1 for Andromeda and thought the beginning and ending of ME3 were really mediocre. You just need to set expectations accordingly and ask yourself why you are playing these games. I enjoy the ARPG gameplay and love the characters banters and the lore so no matter how dumb the plot and twists are going to be I will enjoy it for sure.
Not sure why we are still blaming the entirety of Bioware for the ME3 ending. It was a decision that was taken by very few individuals and backfired on their face. They added an extended cut to make up for it. Now they know they have to avoid repeating something like this again.
Not sure why we are still blaming the entirety of Bioware for the ME3 ending. It was a decision that was taken by very few individuals and backfired on their face. They added an extended cut to make up for it. Now they know they have to avoid repeating something like this again.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
end of mass effect 3 was bad but this is a clean slate so heres hoping for a better outcome
Death Penalty
Member
I don't think I take a video game letting me down personally enough to hold a grudge like that.
The Dear Leader
Banned
I'm actually more put off by the comparisons to Dragon Age Inquisition, I could not for the life of me get into that game despite trying multiple times and loving Dragon Age Origins.
Peroroncino
Member
Yup, me, and that's why I'm skipping it on release, another reason might be the feeling of DA:I I get when I'm watching gameplays, not sure why. The story premise of Andromeda also isn't helping.
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boxoctosis
Member
The red telephone boxes in the last level of 3 did it for me. Total breaking of the 4th wall and total nonsense.
ME2 was outstanding, 3 left a very bad taste in the mouth. Not hyped at all for Andromeda.
ME2 was outstanding, 3 left a very bad taste in the mouth. Not hyped at all for Andromeda.
Lokimaru
Member
I had Four characters waiting to go when ME3 came out, only completed the game with one. That's how much the ending turned me of to the game after I'd beaten ME2 & 3 Four times, not to mention the Two other characters I had Lined up for ME2 runs.
Say what you will about Lucas but he gave me a happy ending with Jedi despite what Kasdan wanted. I wanted to see the Reapers go down in flames just as much as I wanted the Empire to fall with the heroes living to fight another day.
What's wrong with that?
I like the idea that the more times the Reapers wiped the board the More advanced the Next guys got to the point that could give them a real fight if everyone worked together and win.
Every Race in ME was based on some aspect of Humanity so someone like Shepard could find that common ground with everyone and bring them together like a human One ring.
ME3 should have ended like ME started with the picking of a New Specter candidate so the series can come full circle.
Say what you will about Lucas but he gave me a happy ending with Jedi despite what Kasdan wanted. I wanted to see the Reapers go down in flames just as much as I wanted the Empire to fall with the heroes living to fight another day.
What's wrong with that?
I like the idea that the more times the Reapers wiped the board the More advanced the Next guys got to the point that could give them a real fight if everyone worked together and win.
Every Race in ME was based on some aspect of Humanity so someone like Shepard could find that common ground with everyone and bring them together like a human One ring.
ME3 should have ended like ME started with the picking of a New Specter candidate so the series can come full circle.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Lol , some people
I honestly love Kai Leng, but not because he's good, but because of how utterly horrible edgy he is. It feels like they wanted to make him so cool, but just fell so utterly flat.
That said, I love the final interrupt with him. Very satisfying.
No one answered this, far as I know, but its Chris Schlerf, formerly of 343 Industries, and senior writer of Halo 4.
s_mirage
Member
Pretty much the same. Although I was already sick of some of Bioware's dated feeling game design choices, I was massively invested in the universe going in to ME3. The ending was such a let down, and the way it boiled down to picking a colour such an insult, that when combined with some of the game's other flaws it killed my interest in the universe almost entirely. That's not to say that I won't try Andromeda, but it's got to prove to me that it's something special.
Captain_Vyse
Neo Member
That was my experience as well. ME3 taught me to not get caught up in the hype for a piece of entertainment. I stopped gaming for a while. The only thing that brought me back was my love of Final Fantasy IX. Replaying that brought me back to gaming.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Im extremely unexcited for Andromeda, but I also felt like ME2 and ME3 were pretty disappointing when I started to think about the overall stories and what I felt was a squandered opportunity to deal with a galactic Reaper war.