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Apparently that military satellite may bust our asses after all.

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ManaByte said:
::face palm::

Please let it hit HIS house.
it's a failed technology. this is nothing but wasting additional resources on the sliver of hope that tens of billions of dollars sunk in a fantasy can somehow be redeemed.

nasa: the satellite is going to fall and potentially cause a lot of damage.
administration: why don't we use that failed missile shield thingee? you know, the one that only kinda works in controlled tests with projectiles of known proximity, speed and trajectory?
nasa: ...
administration: we can also scare Iran and Russia if the tests are successful!

[high five]
 
scorcho said:
it's a failed technology. this is nothing but wasting additional resources on the sliver of hope that tens of billions of dollars sunk in a fantasy can somehow be redeemed.

nasa: the satellite is going to fall and potentially cause a lot of damage.
administration: why don't we use that failed missile shield thingee? you know, the one that only kinda works in controlled tests with projectiles of known proximity, speed and trajectory?
nasa: ...
administration: we can also scare Iran and Russia if the tests are successful!

[high five]

It's not their fault, the goverment can't run tests on the Defense System. Even now, when all we are doing is trying to stop the satellite, Russia is complaining that this is all a coverup to test a new defense system. So if we actually tried to run tests for real, we'd restart the Cold War
 
scorcho said:
it's a failed technology. this is nothing but wasting additional resources on the sliver of hope that tens of billions of dollars sunk in a fantasy can somehow be redeemed.

nasa: the satellite is going to fall and potentially cause a lot of damage.
administration: why don't we use that failed missile shield thingee? you know, the one that only kinda works in controlled tests with projectiles of known proximity, speed and trajectory?
nasa: ...
administration: we can also scare Iran and Russia if the tests are successful!

[high five]

MASSIVE FAIL!


The SM-3 is not a part of the missile shield thingee (at least not the one you're referring to). The SM-3 has never been designed to take out ICBM, just provide theater ballistic missile defense.
 
scorcho said:
it's a failed technology. this is nothing but wasting additional resources on the sliver of hope that tens of billions of dollars sunk in a fantasy can somehow be redeemed.

nasa: the satellite is going to fall and potentially cause a lot of damage.
administration: why don't we use that failed missile shield thingee? you know, the one that only kinda works in controlled tests with projectiles of known proximity, speed and trajectory?
nasa: ...
administration: we can also scare Iran and Russia if the tests are successful!

[high five]

Are you retarded? Really? Either they can let the satellite fall on a populated area (which it stands a chance of doing), or try to shoot it down.

Again, if it were headed to sea impact; they wouldn't even bother (see: Mir), but since it looks like IT WILL HIT LAND and most likely SOMEWHERE IN NORTH AMERICA they would rather try to blow the thing up before it can cause death than let it hit Los Angeles and kill thousands of people.
 
Didn't china already shoot down one of their satellites?

Wait haven't we been shooting down satellites since 1985?

The United States has been able to bring down satellites with missiles since the mid-1980s, according to a history of ASAT programs posted on the Union of Concerned Scientists Web site. In its own test, the U.S. military knocked a satellite out of orbit in 1985.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html

I am pretty confident we can hit this thing. It is literally rocket science but we seem to be pretty well off in that area thanks to all the nazi scientists!
 
Flo_Evans said:
I am pretty confident we can hit this thing. It is literally rocket science but we seem to be pretty well off in that area thanks to all the nazi scientists!

Our Germans were better than their Germans.
 
ManaByte said:
Are you retarded? Really? Either they can let the satellite fall on a populated area (which it stands a chance of doing), or try to shoot it down.

Again, if it were headed to sea impact; they wouldn't even bother (see: Mir), but since it looks like IT WILL HIT LAND and most likely SOMEWHERE IN NORTH AMERICA they would rather try to blow the thing up before it can cause death than let it hit Los Angeles and kill thousands of people.
most of the world is made up of water, and i highly doubt there are even qualified claims that this will land in North America. any links of people claiming where this satellite would land if left to chance?

phoenix - is the SM-3 more proven than the one i alluded to? i thought it was one and the same.
 
Flo_Evans said:
Didn't china already shoot down one of their satellites?

Wait haven't we been shooting down satellites since 1985?



http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html

I am pretty confident we can hit this thing. It is literally rocket science but we seem to be pretty well off in that area thanks to all the nazi scientists!


Entirely different tests, shooting at different sized targets at vastly different orbital mileages. China was up in the 540 mile range, the 1985 test was up in the high 400s. This satellite will be 130 miles or so.
 
scorcho said:
most of the world is made up of water, and i highly doubt there are even qualified claims that this will land in North America. any links of people claiming where this satellite would land if left to chance?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22904031/

WASHINGTON - The U.S. military is developing contingency plans to deal with the possibility that a large spy satellite expected to fall to Earth in late February or early March could hit North America.

Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, who heads U.S. Northern Command, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that the size of the satellite suggests that some number of pieces will not burn up as the orbiting vehicle re-enters the Earth's atmosphere and will hit the ground.

"We're aware that this satellite is out there," Renuart said. "We're aware it is a fairly substantial size. And we know there is at least some percentage that it could land on ground as opposed to in the water."

A U.S. official confirmed that the spy satellite, which lost power and no longer can be controlled, was launched in December 2006 and could weigh as much as 10,000 pounds. It carried a sophisticated and secret imaging sensor but the satellite's central computer failed shortly after launch.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the information is classified as secret, said the satellite is designated by the military as US 193, but it never reached its final orbit and the Pentagon declared it a total loss in early 2007.

Renuart added that, "As it looks like it might re-enter into the North American area," then the U.S. military along with the Homeland Security Department and the Federal Emergency Management Agency will either have to deal with the impact or assist Canadian or Mexican authorities.

Military agencies, he said, are doing an analysis to determine which pieces most likely would survive re-entry. But he cautioned that officials won't have much detail on where or when it will crash until it begins to move through the atmosphere and break up.

Renuart added that there does not as yet appear to be much concern about sensitive technologies on the satellite falling into enemy hands.

"I'm not aware that we have a security issue," he said. "It's really just a big thing falling on the ground that we want to make sure we're prepared for."

The satellite includes some small engines that contain a toxic chemical called hydrazine — which is rocket fuel. But Renuart said they are not large booster engines with substantial amounts of fuel.

Initial estimates were that the satellite would take years to degrade and re-enter the atmosphere.

Video images of the satellite captured by John Locker, a British amateur satellite watcher, show it to be about 13 feet to 16.5 feet across. Locker calculated its size with data on its altitude and location provided by other amateur satellite watchers, using the International Space Station as a yardstick.
 
phoenix - is the SM-3 more proven than the one i alluded to? i thought it was one and the same.


MUCH. The SM-3 has been successfully tested a number of times. It is considered a production combat worthy weapon. The GBIs (Ground Based Interceptors) are mere babies in comparison.
 
-jinx- said:
How many times do people have to say "no it's not" before you will start agreeing?

well it's useful when someone explains why it's not as opposed to just "no it's not" you know. i'm stupid but i like to know how things work.
 
TemplaerDude said:
well it's useful when someone explains why it's not as opposed to just "no it's not" you know. i'm stupid but i like to know how things work.


Throw a playing card into a breezy room. Where, precisely, will it land?

And that's far fewer variables than the problem at hand.
 
I can understand not knowing exactly where it's going to land, but we have to know SOMETHING, right? Do they know which hemisphere it's going to land in? Which continent it will hit or be closest to?
 
Stinkles said:
Throw a playing card into a breezy room. Where, precisely, will it land?

116.73 cm from the west wall, 38.27 cm from the north wall. the angle to the west wall will be 62.7 degrees. the top of the card will point towards the north, and it will land face up.

it will also be the jack of clubs.

anything else?
 
Trurl said:
I can understand not knowing exactly where it's going to land, but we have to know SOMETHING, right? Do they know which hemisphere it's going to land in? Which continent it will hit or be closest to?


Right now they have no clue, other than, "the floor" and any time they say "rural" or "ocean" that's because statistically, most of the world is rural or ocean. Estimates will get better as the thing starts to fail harder.
 
Trurl said:
I can understand not knowing exactly where it's going to land, but we have to know SOMETHING, right? Do they know which hemisphere it's going to land in? Which continent it will hit or be closest to?

NA ish, Early March is the current estimate
 
Trurl said:
I can understand not knowing exactly where it's going to land, but we have to know SOMETHING, right? Do they know which hemisphere it's going to land in? Which continent it will hit or be closest to?


We're too far out to know with any certainty at this point. All I know is that the US deficit is about to get bigger. Let it hit something that I own.... I'm get PLAYAH PAID!
 
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I will have my guns ready if it lands in my house.


Nobody mess with Texas and doesnt get shot. Not even a satellite.
 
Phoenix said:
We're too far out to know with any certainty at this point. All I know is that the US deficit is about to get bigger. Let it hit something that I own.... I'm get PLAYAH PAID!

Actually they could pretty much project what side of the Earth it'll hit; just no specifics just yet.
 
Agent Ironside said:
Well if it does land here, it would make a good comeback episode for Rescue 911.

EDIT: My gf said she hopes it hits Hillary Clinton.


I can't stand the scandalous woman myself, but we shouldn't hope for anything bad to happen to her. I wouldn't even wish that on Bush.
 
Phoenix said:
I can't stand the scandalous woman myself, but we shouldn't hope for anything bad to happen to her. I wouldn't even wish that on Bush.
To be fair, I'm planning on voting for Hillary in the Ohio primary and I still can't deny how cool it would be if that were to happen.
 
It will speed towards Texas on March 4th and upon hearing the news Obama will fly into the atmosphere and deter it like Superman.

Texas will then have no choice but to vote for Obama. Hillary cries.

Agent Ironside said:
EDIT: My gf said she hopes it hits Hillary Clinton.

We can only hope.
 
mj1108 said:
It will speed towards Texas on March 4th and upon hearing the news Obama will fly into the atmosphere and deter it like Superman.

Texas will then have no choice but to vote for Obama. Hillary cries.


Now THAT would be incredibly awesome :) But still, people would stay Obama is just about speeches and flash super powers and not solutions.
 
Jesus, it's just a bit of rocket fuel, it's not like it's a tank of nerve gas. If it landed close enough for the fumes to kill you, it probably landed on your fucking head.
 
Look we'll probably shoot it down easy and nothing will happen BUT THERE MIGHT BE A CHANCE THAT WE'LL DIE AAAAHH AAAAHH AAAAHH AAAAHH KILLER BEES KILLER BEES
 
Tyrannical said:
Jesus, it's just a bit of rocket fuel, it's not like it's a tank of nerve gas. If it landed close enough for the fumes to kill you, it probably landed on your fucking head.


If it landed right next to you, you would have to inhale the fumes for hours before anything bad happened to you.
 
Tyrannical said:
Jesus, it's just a bit of rocket fuel, it's not like it's a tank of nerve gas. If it landed close enough for the fumes to kill you, it probably landed on your fucking head.

Does fuel explode?
 
Tyrannical said:
Jesus, it's just a bit of rocket fuel, it's not like it's a tank of nerve gas. If it landed close enough for the fumes to kill you, it probably landed on your fucking head.


Yeah, that stuff sounds really safe... why worry about it?

Wikipedia said:
Hydrazine is highly toxic and dangerously unstable, especially in the anhydrous form. Symptoms of acute exposure to high levels of hydrazine in humans may include irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat, dizziness, headache, nausea, pulmonary edema, seizures, coma, and it can also damage the liver, kidneys, and central nervous system. The liquid is corrosive and may produce dermatitis from skin contact in humans and animals. Effects to the lungs, liver, spleen, and thyroid have been reported in animals chronically exposed to hydrazine via inhalation. Increased incidences of lung, nasal cavity, and liver tumors have been observed in rodents exposed to hydrazine.
 
Maybe one of us will get hit in a direct impact and become a super hero like Meteor Man (few/no people will know what I'm talking about there :lol).
 
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