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[bionic77]

Easy solution is to just put "NOW ONLY $1699" (or whatever it is) at the bottom during that part, but the points made in the ad are still perfectly valid. They definitely shouldn't be censored like most of Apple-Age is advocating in here.

If MS plays that game then Apple is just going to counter with the "My iPhone got my laid" campaign which will prove to be ultimately more effective. Considering that a PSP got morphix naked pictures just imagine what people will do to get a much more expensive Apple product.

In the end MS can't win over anyone with their ads other then the Walmart crowd. I don't know if you are familiar with that chain living in NYC so you might to google it to see what it is all about.

 

[Incognito]

Uh, Apple Webcams are impervious to most natural disasters. Nice try, delirium.

 

[maharg]

I don't think anyone was talking about making a console, they were talking about pursuing PC game developers to make games for the Mac.

In the end MS can't win over anyone with their ads other then the Walmart crowd. I don't know if you are familiar with that chain living in NYC so you might to google it to see what it is all about.

Statements like this are exactly why this campaign works so well. When you insinuate that anyone who doesn't want to buy the most expensive product out there, or who doesn't value the same things as you, is some dirt poor walmart lifer, you alienate a lot of people. MS made the ads imply that Apple (and the culture that's built up around Apple products) is saying that about you. Sometimes, on forums like this, it's even true.

 

[Vyer]

Yeah... maybe if you realized that i was only saying that in that post. In the post before that, i said that not everyone is looking for Macs just for the OS capabilities, but many are also looking at it because it is cool. I have no problem with Macs itself for people who actually use the software for art, filmmaking, whatever. The reply you responded to was addressing the poster in question's narrow vision that people don't buy stuff for the cool factor because he 'lives in reality.' Please reread it all and stop jumping to conclusions.

Edit. OH WAIT LOL THAT WAS YOU. No wonder that post reeked of ignorance. It's okay, i was right, you are hopeless and i dont know why i tried to get through to you anyway. You're just absurd, Mr. Reality! :lol :lol :lol

After closer examination, i've come to the conclusion that you have horrible reading comprehension and did not understand anything i was trying to say.

You are really pretty bad at this.

Another hint: if you're going to try and go 'LOL U HAZ NO COMPREEHENSHEN' route, you should probably make sure you are capable yourself.

To help you out again: I said absolutely nowhere that people don't buy items because of looks. That is always a consideration. Unfortunately for you, that's not what we were discussing. Your actual quote said, however:

Well while you and many others may buy Apple products for the actual use, you can't deny that there are many people out there who buy it just to be cool

Which is the aforementioned tired old fanboy cliche and foolish. That's the 'reality'; and that those who cling to it in these OS warz are desperately wanting it to be true. THAT is what we were discussing, which only works if you are capable of remembering what you yourself posted.

But I guess that's too much to ask when you can't even get the posters and responses straight. Oh well.

With that, I am out of this thread

ie, 'I need to get out of here before I make a further ass of myself'. Yes, that's probably for the best.

 

[noah111]

Uh, Apple Webcams are impervious to most natural disasters. Nice try, delirium.

I believe it was a joke.. :|

 

[Finance]

it wasnt a joke. he just doesnt get the point.

 

[dorkimoe]

so its ok for apple to make a commercial about how windows sucks and gets viruses and this and that, but microsoft cant do it?

another reason i hate apple

Spoiler

but love my iphone

 

[Tobor]

I don't think anyone was talking about making a console, they were talking about pursuing PC game developers to make games for the Mac.

Like I said, I don't think there's enough money to be made for Apple to worry about it.

Other than maintaining market share, I don't think MS cares about it either.

 

[WickedAngel]

I don't think anyone was talking about making a console, they were talking about pursuing PC game developers to make games for the Mac.



Statements like this are exactly why this campaign works so well. When you insinuate that anyone who doesn't want to buy the most expensive product out there, or who doesn't value the same things as you, is some dirt poor walmart lifer, you alienate a lot of people. MS made the ads imply that Apple (and the culture that's built up around Apple products) is saying that about you. Sometimes, on forums like this, it's even true.

I see what you're saying. There is some ambiguity there since gaming is already supported (Albeit minimally) on the Mac. I thought he was talking about a venture into consoles.

You absolutely nailed the implied smear against non-Mac users, though. I've always wondered why they went that route with the Mac Vs. PC ads instead of the iPhone approach that shows functionality/usability. The Mac Vs. PC ads always seemed like more of a smear campaign that would only appeal to people who were already Mac supporters.

 

[D4Danger]

Yeah probably, but I don't know how they could convey it more properly. The characters aren't saying "Hey I use a Mac- and I use a PC" they literally are saying I am a Mac/PC, as in representing the computer itself. I wonder how they could make that seem more obvious though? :s

It's the same thing. They are saying PCs are used for spreadsheets and viruses and Macs are used to write screenplays in Starbucks.

There's no deep meaning to this advert. They're as subtle as a brick.

 

[DarkJC]

When did I say they did? I have a feeling that their approval process for any gaming console would be just as rigid as the one they have in place for their iPhone, if not moreso.

Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo are all way more rigid for PSN/XBLA/WiiWare than Apple has ever been for the app store, so going back to your previous post, I'm not quite sure where you're getting that Apple would have to be more lenient.

 

[manofmandango]

Well they're alot more effective than the Jerry Seinfeld ones.

:lol God, those were terrible.

 

[andycapps]

It's simply a fact that Apple's market mostly consists of upscale, calm, confident and cool people. Such as myself, for example. We demand perfection and Apple simply raises the bar each and every year. With that in mind, shopping for a PC and god forbid, purchasing one, is akin to hog hunting in High School: a last resort option that leaves you horrified the next morning as the realization of your mistake sets in.

Good lord man, I hate to quote your avatar... but wow. Are you being serious? You are the reason why most of the PC users in here are talking about how they can't stand the average Mac user and want nothing to do with it.

Spoiler

Do you like the smell of your farts too?

 

[Incognito]

it wasnt a joke. he just doesnt get the point.

The point is obvious: when the Apple Webcam fails (which you don't have to worry about happening because it never does) you have to send in your whole unit just to fix the webcam. Yeah, the picture wasn't obvious. :rolleyes Sometimes, Finance, products are deigned so well that Plan B's aren't even conceived of. That's Apple.

 

[WickedAngel]

Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo are all way more rigid for PSN/XBLA/WiiWare than Apple has ever been for the app store, so going back to your previous post, I'm not quite sure where you're getting that Apple would have to be more lenient.

...I'm not trying to directly compare the approval processes. I'm saying that Apple is anal about app approvals that are relatively inconsequential and that it could potentially be much, much worse if they decided to go into the console industry.

The point is obvious: when the Apple Webcam fails (which you don't have to worry about happening because it never does) you have to send in your whole unit just to fix the webcam. Yeah, the picture wasn't obvious. :rolleyes Sometimes, Finance, products are deigned so well that Plan B's aren't even conceived of. That's Apple.

The constant flow of Apple products through my shop would say otherwise.

 

[noah111]

It's the same thing. They are saying PCs are used for spreadsheets and viruses and Macs are used to write screenplays in Starbucks.

There's no deep meaning to this advert. They're as subtle as a brick.

True pretty much, but I just get the feeling the point is one is new and simple and the other is old and complicated, which in essence is pretty accurate. Obviously over dramatized and all.

so its ok for apple to make a commercial about how windows sucks and gets viruses and this and that, but microsoft cant do it?

Spoiler

but love my iphone

Yup, pretty stupid move on Apples part.. then again we don't really know what thye even asked for. If all they asked was to correct the pricing (since it did drop a few hundred bucks) then I guess I could understand, but if they said anything about removing the ads that's incredibly hypocritical.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Easy solution is to just put "NOW ONLY $1699" (or whatever it is) at the bottom during that part, but the points made in the ad are still perfectly valid. They definitely shouldn't be censored like most of Apple-Age is advocating in here.

Actually, no, AstroLad. The ad would STILL be deceptive. The Ad was deceptive to begin with, even before the price cut.

In the ad, Lauren, the "law student" looking for a computer in the ad states "this computer costs $2000." However, the computer she's looking at, the one that is shown in the ad, is actually the old-model, 13" aluminum MacBook. The price shown in the still above is for a 15" MacBookPro. The price of the 13" aluminum MacBook, even new, and even the high-end model, was never close to $2000. So, the ad was bullshit even before the price was slashed.

You still think "the points made in the ad are still perfectly valid," AstroLad?

Check out the commercial for yourself, here. The part where she states "This Mac is $2000, yet a 13" MacBook is clearly shown is 20 seconds in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysbi5v_p7Q4

So, as anyone with half a brain can plainly see, the MacBook Lauren states is "$2000" is now either $1,024.99 or $1319.00 (depending on configuration) at MacMall.

That's at least $680.99 less than what Microsoft is showing in those ads, and might be as much as a $975.00 savings. I'm afraid the MS COO's "LOL $100" comments aren't helpful here.

This Microsoft ad should probably be either completely re-edited, or pulled. It's a trainwreck.

 

[jonnybryce]

Not trying to blame anyone lol, but how sow? Assuming with those silly im a mac ads?


I guess it is lol. But do people really view those characters as representatives of each userbase?? I always thought it was literally a Mac, and a PC, as in the OS in human form, not the people who use each.. I mean, the whole world uses PCs and no one really looks that geeky

Either way you take it, isn't it pretty much the same thing? Justin Long is the cool Mac user and John Hodgman is a nerdy PC user..or if Mac could be a person, it would be cool, "edgy" looking Justin long and PC would be a geeky nerd person.

Either way, Apple wants you to think they're cool and for cool kids.

edit:

So, as anyone with half a brain can plainly see, the MacBook Lauren states is "$2000" is now either $1,024.99 or $1319.00 (depending on configuration) at MacMall.

And if you were to buy PCs online you'd save a shitload, too. They're comparing store prices.

It's fucked up that they show the wrong PC, but either way, Macs are hundreds more, it's simply true.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Good lord man, I hate to quote your avatar... but wow. Are you being serious? You are the reason why most of the PC users in here are talking about how they can't stand the average Mac user and want nothing to do with it.

Spoiler

Do you like the smell of your farts too?

But the other side of that coin is that you actually believe Incognito is "the average Mac user". Both sides have their zealots and a-holes, and there are plenty of examples of that on the PC side of things as well.

 

[Marty Chinn]

The point is obvious: when the Apple Webcam fails (which you don't have to worry about happening because it never does) you have to send in your whole unit just to fix the webcam. Yeah, the picture wasn't obvious. :rolleyes Sometimes, Finance, products are deigned so well that Plan B's aren't even conceived of. That's Apple.

So now Apple products don't break now eh? :lol

 

[Incognito]

The constant flow of Apple products through my shop would say otherwise.

Whatever, brah. You're a noted Anti-Apple zealot.

 

[WickedAngel]

Whatever, brah. You're a noted Anti-Apple zealot.

Is that supposed to be an insult?

 

[DogWelder]

So someone from the legal department asked them to pull it and now they say that Apple cant take the heat. Do not comprehend.

MS fanboys flopping around like fish on the deck of a boat ITT.

(Is typing this up on a MacBook with Windows.)

 

[DarkJC]

...I'm not trying to directly compare the approval processes. I'm saying that Apple is anal about app approvals that are relatively inconsequential and that it could potentially be much, much worse if they decided to go into the console industry.

And I'm asking how you have come to this potential conclusion when everyone else in the console industry is much more anal?

Instead of getting into a circle of restating what you said the first time, how about answering the question?

 

[AstroLad]

Actually, no, AstroLad. The ad would STILL be deceptive. The Ad was deceptive to begin with, even before the price cut.

In the ad, Lauren, the "law student" looking for a computer in the ad states "this computer costs $2000. However, the computer she's looking at, the one that is shown in the ad, is actually the old-model, 13" aluminum MacBook. The price shown in the still above is for a 15" MacBookPro. So, the ad was bullshit even before the price was slashed.

I did say "or whatever it is" to account for whatever the actual price is--it would still be a viable solution. Also, so what if the girl made a mistake? $2000, $1500, whatever, the point was that it was still way too expensive for her for what she was getting. Or are you suggesting that we should police electronics stores to make sure shoppers don't ever accidentally get the prices on Apple products wrong?

 

[BattleMonkey]

Instead of being bitches, why don't they make a counter ad that shows proof that the MS ads are a lie?

 

[Incognito]

So now Apple products don't break now eh? :lol

Sure, they sometimes break. Rarely. Usually the result of some obnoxious human error, though. My experiences in the Apple Store can attest to this fact.

 

[andycapps]

But the other side of that coin is that you actually believe Incognito is "the average Mac user". Both sides have their zealots and a-holes, and there are plenty of examples of that on the PC side of things as well.

Actually no, I think most Mac users on here are fine, but Incognito is repping the stereotype that many PC users have of Apple users. Was just pointing it out.

And what are we discussing now? Webcams in IMacs? :lol

 

[WickedAngel]

And I'm asking how you have come to this potential conclusion when everyone else in the console industry is much more anal?

Instead of getting into a circle of restating what you said the first time, how about answering the question?

They're overly anal about inconsequential applications. Their basis for approval extends beyond functionality; they literally exclude apps for redundancy when it shouldn't be an issue. If you can't see why that kind of mentality would be harmful to their relationship to developers in the gaming industry, you can't be helped. You can be ignored, though.

 

[pakkit]

Let's watch as this thread slowly dissolves into yet another Mac vs. PC dickwaving contest.

::takes seat::

Like clockwork.

 

[The Librarian]

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:lol

 

[WickedAngel]

Sure, they sometimes break. Rarely. Usually the result of some obnoxious human error, though. My experiences in the Apple Store can attest to this fact.

And my experiences in a neutral repair shop say otherwise. When it comes to hardware, Macs suffer from the exact same problems that PCs have. There isn't some magical manufacturing process that makes Apple immune to hardware issues.

 

[noah111]

I did say "or whatever it is" to account for whatever the actual price is--it would still be a viable solution. Also, so what if the girl made a mistake? $2000, $1500, whatever, the point was that it was still way too expensive for her for what she was getting. Or are you suggesting that we should police electronics stores to make sure shoppers don't ever accidentally get the prices on Apple products wrong?

:lol Yeah, 500 bucks, whatever bra! The point is if Apple DID call saying fix the prices you stated in the video, then they have the right to since that is misinformation, but if Apple seriously called and said pull the ads and the whole shabang, then like I said they are being pretty hypocritical.

 

[bionic77]

Statements like this are exactly why this campaign works so well. When you insinuate that anyone who doesn't want to buy the most expensive product out there, or who doesn't value the same things as you, is some dirt poor walmart lifer, you alienate a lot of people. MS made the ads imply that Apple (and the culture that's built up around Apple products) is saying that about you. Sometimes, on forums like this, it's even true.

Who cares about Walmart people? It was once famously said that the only people President Bush cares about less that black people are Walmart people. It would break my heart to see those savages rip all the keys out of a Macbook Air the way they do with the keyboards of lesser computers (which are likely used by lesser people, it only makes sense to carry that one out to the end).

 

[Tobor]

I did say "or whatever it is" to account for whatever the actual price is--it would still be a viable solution. Also, so what if the girl made a mistake? $2000, $1500, whatever, the point was that it was still way too expensive for her for what she was getting. Or are you suggesting that we should police electronics stores to make sure shoppers don't ever accidentally get the prices on Apple products wrong?

Your'e like the Deadliest Catch today. Haul up the pots and get them back in the water as fast as possible. :lol

(Is typing this up on a MacBook with Windows.)

Always nice to see a smiling face.

 

[Incognito]

:lol Yeah, 500 bucks, whatever bra!

Dude, it's brah. And WickedAngel, I would disagree only because I believe Apple users, being much more sophisticated, take more care in their products therefore reducing the need for catastrophic care.

 

[rex64]

I'd bone Lauren soooooooooooo hard

 

[Hitokage]

Oh no, the honor of my corporate master has been besmirched! I must rush to defend it!

 

[Finance]

The point is obvious: when the Apple Webcam fails (which you don't have to worry about happening because it never does) you have to send in your whole unit just to fix the webcam. Yeah, the picture wasn't obvious. :rolleyes Sometimes, Finance, products are deigned so well that Plan B's aren't even conceived of. That's Apple.

the point is, webcams arent the only things that break.

a speaker goes bust, you gotta send the whole thing in.
the screen has a few dead pixels, gotta send the whole thing in.
the unit itself is physcially damaged, gotta replace the whole thing

Dude, it's brah. And WickedAngel, I would disagree only because I believe Apple users, being much more sophisticated, take more care in their products therefore reducing the need for catastrophic care.

and thats our point...

 

[Davidion]

Oh no, the honor of my corporate master has been besmirched! I must rush to defend it!

:lol

LOVE THAT BRAND LOYALTY!

 

[Pristine_Condition]

I did say "or whatever it is" to account for whatever the actual price is--it would still be a viable solution. Also, so what if the girl made a mistake? $2000, $1500, whatever, the point was that it was still way too expensive for her for what she was getting. Or are you suggesting that we should police electronics stores to make sure shoppers don't ever accidentally get the prices on Apple products wrong?

Oh, come the fuck on, AstroLad...you can't really be as stupid as that makes you sound.

This isn't a simple shopping experience, and never was. This is a set-up ad shoot for one of the most powerful companies in the world. The ad is deceptive and always was...even before the price cut.

I cannot fathom why there are so many people willing to stick their heads in the sand and play "MS Apologist" here. The ad was a load of crap from the beginning. Now, it's an even bigger load of crap, yet MS is still putting the ad out there. In the UK, this ad probably would have never been allowed to air in the first place with an obvious deception like that.

 

[Keylime]

Dude, it's brah. And WickedAngel, I would disagree only because I believe Apple users, being much more sophisticated, take more care in their products therefore reducing the need for catastrophic care.

Dude...come on man. :lol

 

[Tobor]

It's Astrolad, Pristine, he's just fucking with your mind.

 

[Mudkips]

The point is obvious: when the Apple Webcam fails (which you don't have to worry about happening because it never does) you have to send in your whole unit just to fix the webcam. Yeah, the picture wasn't obvious. :rolleyes Sometimes, Finance, products are deigned so well that Plan B's aren't even conceived of. That's Apple.

Your tag says troll, but I'll bite anyway.

Apple products are the least reliable I have ever dealt with.
Repairing them is a nightmare, in terms of cost (if you have them do it) and time.

I sure as hell wouldn't trust the flunkies at the Genius Bar to open up my Apple product (I will never personally own one, due to my experiences repairing them) and replace parts.
Everyone I know who HAS trusted Apple to fix their shit (Apple Care or not) has gotten their crap back with new problems, or (eventually) brand new crap (losing all data) which developed the same problems shortly.

Go try replacing the backlight in a cinema display (requires going several layers deeper than what Apple's own docs for certified hardware techs detail), or a motherboard on an overheated, gpu-fried iMac. And I hope you never get a disc stuck in a failed drive in your Macbook.

Apple has designed their products with so much focus on form that they throw an important part of function out the Window. It would be nice if shit never broke. But it's a fact that it does. Making hardware easily user-serviceable and providing documentation is preferable to having "OMG NO VISIBLE SEAMS".

Anecdotal, sure, but I'm positive I've more experience with Apple hardware, and the subsequent repairs, than you. Either way, shit fails. Apple's shit fails. Everyone's shit fails. Not having a viable user-maintenance option is a huge deal breaker for a lot of people.

Edit: People trolling the Seinfeld ads? Those ads were awesome. Humor was 100% Seinfeld-style, though, so it's not for everyone.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I think the point is that Apple isn't going to cut into their margins to a degree in which the advert.'s point becomes blatantly incorrect.

 

[captive]

monitor gone

:lol lmao

 

[noah111]

Edit: People trolling the Seinfeld ads? Those ads were awesome. Humor was 100% Seinfeld-style, though, so it's not for everyone.

But they had no point :lol About your pas Mac problems, seriously?? That's never happened to me or anyone I know in the past, or my fathers mac he uses for work. Pretty odd, ive never heard such big problems like that, from my experience they're really reliable and the customer service seemed pretty good (granted I never had a big issue like fried chips). Was this the debut model btw?

 

[WickedAngel]

But they had no point :lol About your pas Mac problems, seriously?? That's never happened to me or anyone I know in the past, or my fathers mac he uses for work. Pretty odd, ive never heard such big problems like that, from my experience they're really reliable and the customer service seemed pretty good (granted I never had a big issue like fried chips). Was this the debut model btw?

You've never heard of a backlight going out? You must have a small stable of friends.

Anyone who has spent any time working in a repair facility that isn't exclusive to PCs knows that Macs fail just as frequently as their counterparts and fixing them can be insanely expensive (Hello there, logic board failure).

 

[giga]

And if you were to buy PCs online you'd save a shitload, too. They're comparing store prices.

It's fucked up that they show the wrong PC, but either way, Macs are hundreds more, it's simply true.

Store price 13" Macbook at Best Buy was $1300 at the time of the airing of the commercial. Store price is even cheaper at the Apple Store because she'd get a $100 edu discount.

 

[Hilbert]

But they had no point :lol

That's what Seinfeld is all about.

Count me in with those that loved those commercials. I was sad they never made a third.