undu
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Isn't this what watson did way back in 2002?
http://www.karelia.com/watson/
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/arti...eaks_Out_Against_Apple_Plans_Port_To_Windows/
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Apple granted injunction against Galaxy Nexus
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Isn't this what watson did way back in 2002?
http://www.karelia.com/watson/
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/arti...eaks_Out_Against_Apple_Plans_Port_To_Windows/
You know what RIP means right? lol
You know that iPad and iPhone sales are SKYROCKETING right? The growth is insane. Especially the last couple of quarters.
And Android sales have not? Android has double the market share, over 50% in the US. That must really burn Apples ass, how much revenue they are losing out on with that big chunk of Android market share. A million activations a day. Apple has higher revenue of course, although its not much wonder when they charge such exuberant prices for their products..
They have what, 80% of all the profits of the entire mobile phone market? The top 3 selling smart phones in America are all 3 iPhone's on the market. If they had a 4th phone they would obviously own all top 4 spots. I doubt they are losing sleep.
And what iPhones cost an "exuberant price" compared to android? iPhones are priced pretty much exactly the same as similarly spec'ed Android phones.
Hell the 4 is going to be free on contract this fall.
I can see both sides really, if you'd built something that everyone wants, you'd naturally feel an entitlement to that audience you fostered, but of course if it's really needed to be a well designed phone, everyone should be able to do it.
The iPhone introduced multitouch capacitive interface 'smart' phones, essentially the format of all smart phones today, but in no fair world should they be able to be the sole producer of those products, it'd lead to obscene stagnation in the industry. How important universal search is to a phone though, I have no idea.
The iPhone introduced multitouch capacitive interface 'smart' phones, essentially the format of all smart phones today, but in no fair world should they be able to be the sole producer of those products, it'd lead to obscene stagnation in the industry. How important universal search is to a phone though, I have no idea.
w1ck3dn1nj4
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Yes, yes the whole world knows Apple has the highest revenue, the biggest profit and the most enviable profit margins. Its no big secret to anyone theyre monopolising the majority of profits in the industry. But the interesting question is: Why are you rejoicing or taking pride in this fact?
Lets look at this from an objective point of view shall we? Surely such crazy profits and obscene "world class" margins have to come from somewhere the end of the day? Somebody has surely got to be paying for it. From an accounting empirical sense, such profit margins can only come at the expense of:
i) the supply side/cost side of things
ii) at the expense of consumers
Im sure as far as Foxconn employees are concerned, therere certainly no ambiguities on their end who got fingered in the process. Their grievances are well known. But the interesting question is, why are you bent over backwards with a wicked smile on your face? ;-)
So imagine what their profits would be with a higher market share.. Fact is, Android is costing them huge profits. And I was referring to all their other over priced products, macbooks, macs, ipads. Paying the workers at Foxconn peanuts likely helps too.
I think people tend to support the companies whose products they use and love. Apple is without a doubt the best example of this IMO. (myself included)
That is not true at all. The Galaxy Nexus has:
- A faster CPU
- Twice the RAM
- A higher resolution screen
The iPhone has:
- A faster GPU?? (not sure on this one)
iPhone - $649
Galaxy Nexus - $349
They are priced the same for 99% of people.
The iPhone has a better ecosystem and experience.
What do you mean, on contract?
Galaxy Nexus (Verizon) - Free
Galaxy Nexus (Sprint) - $49
iPhone (any carrier) - $199
DPI is almost the same, both falling under the Apple's own definition of Retina Display. Point still remains that it's objectively higher specced even if it's not what everyone prefers.
That's completely irrelevant to the point he was replying to.
Thats a matter of taste.. GNEX shits all over iphone in that regard in my opinion. I also prefer the integrated Google ecosystem on an Android phone. If that justifies $300 for you then goodie.
But the Galaxy Nexus just got a price drop. Not entirely fair to compare the two on price.
Thats subsidized pricing, not the actual price.
As an owner of a 2g up to current iphone i heartily disagree. The gs2 andriod i own now is faster, more stable, has a bigger and therefore better screen, is more impact resistant in my experience, and is the best experience ive ever had by far.
How anyone can say iphone offers a better experience when it wont run flash is beyond me. Thats like 1/4 of the internet. Enjoy your walled garden.
It's the price it costs the consumer. Which is what actually matters. I doubt the majority are buying their cell phones unlocked direct from the manufacturer.
We are talking revenue here. Do you think they only give Apple 30 pounds for that iphone you just got? I don't think so. The outright cost of these devices is much more than that. If you buy a 4S off contract its $649, Gnex is $349, US.
I think I can count the number of times I've missed flash on my iphone on one hand. I can't wait until flash is fully obsolete and is replaced completely by HTML5 - it's such a battery life drain.
I will agree with you about the screen size, though. After playing around with a friends One X, the large screen size is certainly appealing. It's nice to see that Jelly Bean is finally looking to be as smooth as ios, too. I've always thought the Android UI looked awful, but Jelly Bean's looks really nice. Matias Duarte is one of the best things to happen to Android.
I got mine on page 3
Heh. Guess I'm a 50 post per page peasant then.
You should really look into data about Foxconn/China before bringing it up, though. Apple are arguably the best company at the moment when it comes to Chinese labour. They pay more than practically every other electronics company and they're being far more transparent about working conditions, too. It's a shame other manufacturers haven't followed their lead.
You might be, but clearly not everyone is.
Nah I think you are. Those posters had zoned in on the actual individual costs of the phones specifically, not the revenue because of this statement:
A customer doesn't give a shit about the revenue of Samsung or whoever, just what they have to pay.
A couple of things -
First of all, persecution laches is an extremely difficult defense, not only do you need to show that the delay was unreasonable and inexcusable, you need to show prejudice.
But more importantly, even a successful laches defense does not invalidate a patent, it just prevent you from collecting damages based on activity that happened before the filing of the lawsuit.
The article you quoted (but didn't link) is from a patent law firm, of course they're going to say that you should sue everyone all the time, that's how they make money.
So yeah, not filing an injunction against the galaxy will only potentially limit the amount of money they can collect if they decide to file a bullshit infringing lawsuit against it sometime in the future.
But that's the extent of it, I don't see how that justified such counterproductive behavior.
I'm not sure what open source has to do with it.
Open source allows for patents (I mean, patent involve disclosure) and closed source does not require them.
fluffydelusions
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So they can rip off Androids notification system and no one cares?
mescalineeyes
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The costs of the phones are $649 and $349. No one mentioned subsidized pricing in the answer that was given. Subsidized there is not much difference. I don't care how much they make either, its not like I get a cut.. I wish.
They might not have patents in place to do so. Or maybe they are waiting to strike? Who knows. Maybe Apple will patent it now and say they 'invetented it' like they do with everything else.
You mean the software this is being dropped from Android? The one that never worked well on touch-based devices? The one that Adobe itself has come with alternatives for and is now actively killing off? That one? Ya, I don't miss it.
As for your other comments, I find them laughable. Android has been a janky mess since the beginning. Even now they are dedicating a whole team to smoothing out the experience. You can have your faster CPU or GPU. If it can't run the OS at 60fps, I frankly don't care.
As mentioned on the first page of this thread, the patents for the notification system have not yet been granted to Google. I posted the link to the application if you want to look for it.
Have you used Flash on mobile? It's not perfect but it was a lot better than getting missing plugin boxes on restaurant websites, at least you could read the menu...
Also, have you used a Galaxy S2? Even on Gingerbread it ran the OS at 60 fps for the most part, imho this was the reason why it was so much better than all the other Android phones released around the same time.
mescalineeyes
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I hope they get granted because frankly, I think the whole Notification Center is a half-baked cop-out of an idea.
Google is activating ONE million devices per day. Day.
There's a reason Apple stopped showing activation numbers in their presentation. Their growth moved into a linear rate.
Yes, I have used Flash on mobile. It sucks, badly. Yes, I've used a Galaxy S2, one of my good friends has one. It has slowdowns on scrolling and other operations like every single Android phone on the market. You can't deny the slowdowns when Google themselves put an entire team and project together to tackle the issue. Android has always been an fps mess.
I guess you missed the part where i said i was informed. You on the other hand are making comments that are two years old. Andriod on the gs2 is as smooth or smoother than any version of ios ive ever used.
Flash works just like would on my gaming desktop. Seamless and easy when in 4g or wifi. Its being dropped from andriod because adobe is suffering financial issues namely because of apple. All you would have to do is pick up any current iphone equivalent andriod device to know how silly you sound.
mescalineeyes
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no it hasn't and they give you sales. If you divide those sales through 90 you get the activation of iPhones per day.
also, google is activating one million devices per day because they sell a whole lot of low-cost, below 3GS tier, semi-smartphones.
Apple activated 300,000 iPhones per day in the post-christmas quarter.
Comparing this to the same quarter last year, they sold double the phones.
They sold 2 million less than in the quarter that had both christmas and the introduction of the new model.
This does not count iPads and iPod touches, which would also factor into the number, since Android also adds tablets to this number.
source:
http://www.statista.com/statistics/12743/worldwide-apple-iphone-sales-since-3rd-quarter-2007/
mescalineeyes
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Perception is not reality. Just because you want your Android to be as smooth as an iPhone doesn't make it so. If Google felt that way, why is Project Butter a thing now?
Lying is not a good way to get your point across.
Apples numbers after a release are always huge, then then flatten out. Their overall growth slowed and that's why are stuck around the 30% mark in market share when it comes to mobile devices.
Apple went from putting out activation numbers to sell through numbers because its a lot of upgrades being sold and not new users. Those figures from Google are always new activations.
I hope you are getting your cut.
Just saying, getting no functionality is worse than getting mediocre functionality. I don't see how you can argue that point without coming across as a total fanboy.
The occasional hiccups might bother you on the GS2 but I can't imagine it is really that much better on iPhone. Maybe that shows my ignorance but I use the iPhone about as much as you use the GS2 (I am typing this on a GS2 with ICS installed), and the guy you are replying to has used both more extensively than either of us.
Ok thats just false. The gs2 doesnt have slowdown. Ive owned mine for 9 months and never experienced it at all. Maybe your friend had a ton of apps open or something or you just have an agenda but the gs2 is every bit as smooth as the ipad3, iphone4s or whatever you want to compare it to. Shall i make a side by side video with my 4s vs my gs2 using my ipad3?
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