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I love how people here take this more personally and get angry at Apple more than Google does lol. This is the Google who was using Macs and iPads all over during Google IO.
 
blahblah...blah said:
Here's a question for everybody who is actually getting angry in this thread: if you stop typing for one second, and think about what you're doing, do you realise the absurdity of it, or are you fine with the fact that MOBILE TELEPHONES anger you so much that you feel the need to insult people based on their preferences, attack entire companies, etc.? You are ridiculously lucky - even just in a statistical sense - to be alive, and you are spending at least some of your life, at your computer, arguing with people about patents and technology. There are a hundred better ways you could use this time, so stop getting so upset about something so absurdly trivial. It's depressing.

Also Apple rules.
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The thing that gets me is that this is stifling innovation, I want these companies to slug it out and let the consumer decide what product gets the greatest market share. In the grand scheme of things of course this isn't important but I can't help but be infuriated by all of these, from all of these companies.

Also Android rules.
 
Cheebo said:
I love how people here take this more personally and get angry at Apple more than Google does lol. This is the Google who was using Macs and iPads all over during Google IO.
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Google is a company. A company doesn't "get angry". Instead, they buy a telecommunications company for $12.5 billion just to get a bunch of patents with which to defend their product, ecosystem and partners against companies like Apple who are doing everything in their power to destroy said product, ecosystem and partners.
 
In other news, Apple had to pay 60 million USD for the iPad trademark from Chinese company weiguan again. They already purchased the trademark but due the Apple lawyer fucked up they only purchased the "world trademark" but the "Chinese local trademark" was owned by the different mother company so Apple had to pay again.

Hey at least the Chinese got Apple good.
 
Cheebo said:
I love how people here take this more personally and get angry at Apple more than Google does lol. This is the Google who was using Macs and iPads all over during Google IO.
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And I love how you seem to be the first line of defense around here when someone "gets angry" at Apple, there's basically no thread wihout a comment from you if there's defending and rationalizing to do. As if Apple cared. Fine by me but at least don't turn around and lol at others, seems a tiny bit smug and hypocritical.
 
derExperte said:
And I love how you seem to be the first line of defense around here when someone "gets angry" at Apple, there's basically no thread wihout a comment from you if there's defending and rationalizing to do. As if Apple cared. Fine by me but at least don't turn around and lol at others, seems a tiny bit smug and hypocritical.
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I am a fan of Apple, they make fantastic products and there would be no modern smart phone market or tablet market without them and it seems pretty obvious to me why they would want to protect the patents of these industries they all but started. Even if the patents in many cases are absurd. But the government granted them, they are protecting what they legally own. If there is anyone to have a problem with is the patent system.

But that doesnt mean I have to hate Google like so many here do for Apple. Why do people have to pick sides? I love Google, Android is a fantastic OS, and I happily have a Nexus 7 on preorder. I just don't see why Apple deserves all this hate.

Hating a side is just so childish and brings back the not so good memories of sega vs Nintendo.
One side isn't evil and one side isn't good.

Both do shitty and good things in equal measure. If you want to live in some one sided crazy world where google is a good guy and apple is a bad guy then whatever, it is just silly.

There is no right and wrong. Both are companies who care about one thing, making money in every way they can.
 
Cheebo said:
I just don't see why Apple deserves all this hate.
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Because as of right now they act the most assholish and petty of the whole bunch, MS in the 90s wasn't that annoying. And then there are the people that write hyperbolic stuff like "there would be no modern smart phone market or tablet market without them". There most definitely would be, they just made it as big as it is now faster. No small feat and respect for that but I don't get the need to revise history to make Apple look like the inventor of all things smartphone. And others don't too obviously, so that's one of several reasons for the "hate" (which is very subdued here on GAF I might add).
 
derExperte said:
And then there are the people that write hyperbolic stuff like "there would be no modern smart phone market or tablet market without them". There most definitely would be, they just made it as big as it is now faster. No small feat and respect for that but I don't get the need to revise history to make Apple look like the inventor of all things smartphone.
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This is just having your cake and eating it too. Whether or not it "would" have happened, or whatever, lets just deal with what actually happened. If you give credit to Apple for getting us there "faster and bigger", well, why not just leave it at that.

Well if Albert Einstein didn't develop the theory of relativity someone else would have. The whole if X didn't do Y, someone else would have eventually is such nonsense, what happened - happened. Don't justify it.
 
blahblah...blah said:
Here's a question for everybody who is actually getting angry in this thread: if you stop typing for one second, and think about what you're doing, do you realise the absurdity of it, or are you fine with the fact that MOBILE TELEPHONES anger you so much that you feel the need to insult people based on their preferences, attack entire companies, etc.? You are ridiculously lucky - even just in a statistical sense - to be alive, and you are spending at least some of your life, at your computer, arguing with people about patents and technology. There are a hundred better ways you could use this time, so stop getting so upset about something so absurdly trivial. It's depressing.

Also Apple rules.
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You're missing the point. This software patent shit extends beyond iPhone sucks and Google is evil. Mobile devices are the future of technology, and is westart preventing access to mobile devices it is preventing emerging countries from getting their hands of INFORMATION. Did you know that in Africa, many people will skip traditional computers and the first time they access the internet is through ridiculous mobile phones?
 
tino said:
In other news, Apple had to pay 60 million USD for the iPad trademark from Chinese company weiguan again. They already purchased the trademark but due the Apple lawyer fucked up they only purchased the "world trademark" but the "Chinese local trademark" was owned by the different mother company so Apple had to pay again.

Hey at least the Chinese got Apple good.
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$60 million is "got Apple good"?

Based on their last quarterly profits statement, that's approximately 10 hours of income lost.

Meanwhile, they finally have full access to that market. I think they'll take that deal.
 
blahblah...blah said:
Here's a question for everybody who is actually getting angry in this thread: if you stop typing for one second, and think about what you're doing, do you realise the absurdity of it, or are you fine with the fact that MOBILE TELEPHONES anger you so much that you feel the need to insult people based on their preferences, attack entire companies, etc.? You are ridiculously lucky - even just in a statistical sense - to be alive, and you are spending at least some of your life, at your computer, arguing with people about patents and technology. There are a hundred better ways you could use this time, so stop getting so upset about something so absurdly trivial. It's depressing.

Also Apple rules.
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I agree with you as far as folks internalizing this irrational hatred for a company, but you really are trivializing the situation here.

The ramifications verdicts like this have, will seriously impact how the market (and the tech that pushes it), is accessed and grows.

There's nothing wrong with being upset about the stifling of competition and innovation on either side. Especially in a symbiotic relationship like we have here.
 
rkn said:
Well if Albert Einstein didn't develop the theory of relativity someone else would have. The whole if X didn't do Y, someone else would have eventually is such nonsense, what happened - happened. Don't justify it.
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For me there's a difference between saying "no modern market/no theory of relativity" and "smaller market/a worse and less popular theory of relativity". There were smartphones before the iPhone, you could do a lot with them (hell, my dad uses his 3GS basically for the same stuff he used his Palm V for) and there was fast growing demand, more and more people were already buying and using them. What irks me and others is the notion that the smartphone-timeline started in 2007.
 
derExperte said:
There's a difference between saying "no modern market/no theory of relativity" and "smaller market/a worse and less popular theory of relativity". There were smartphones before the iPhone, you could do a lot with them (hell, my dad uses his 3GS basically for the same stuff he used his Palm V for) and there was a fast growing demand, more and more people were already buying and using them. What irks me and others is the notion that the smartphone-timeline started in 2007.
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Apple didn't invent the smartphone, but they did make them accessible (simple to use) to the masses before anyone else.
 
zbeeb said:
Apple didn't invent the smartphone, but they did make them accessible (simple to use) to the masses before anyone else.
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they also made the first smartphones with a decent web browser. Really, they made the first smart phone that did not fucking suck. That was a big deal for people like me who were using Windows Mobile phones. More "fighting with" than using it is how it often felt with screens that would often lose the stylus location, slow boot times, poor reliability, terrible internet explorer, terrible music software, terrible speakers, terrible reception...etc. Had a Blackberry and a Sidekick before those...both of which were even more limited and less enjoyable than that WinMo phone, and that's saying something. Sidekick keyboard was the shit though.

Everything about smartphones was bad before the iPhone. Then shit got better swiftly.
 
I'm not sure what the points some people are making are. Apple has 'done good' for the market by giving it that much needed boost, they were the first to make smartphones accessible and helped facilitate the ecosystem that has given rise to so many competitors.

Apple is also now playing havoc on this ecosystem by being the most detrimental in use of the patent system, repeatedly stalling the release of product for ludicrous reasons, taking advantage of the ignorance of those in power. Even now they are obviously attacking this particular phone because of the threat they feel it poses on their profits - their already huge profits in which they dominate compared to their peers.

They want to hold onto their lead, using means that end up proliferating one of the most universally agreed upon ails of the software ecosystem.

It's gotten to the point that even the people who would normally defend Apple's destructive actions have essentially stepped back from those sorts of arguments and are using a more "Well, Apple did start this whole smartphone craze sooo... what ya gonna do" approach.

Basically, it's bullshit - everyone, maybe even especially fans of Apple products, should be pressuring Apple to move away from this approach of theirs.
 
Cheebo said:
Hating a side is just so childish and brings back the not so good memories of sega vs Nintendo.
One side isn't evil and one side isn't good.

Both do shitty and good things in equal measure. If you want to live in some one sided crazy world where google is a good guy and apple is a bad guy then whatever, it is just silly.

There is no right and wrong. Both are companies who care about one thing, making money in every way they can.
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This is the same argument as in the threads when one politician/political party does something indefensible and people on that side come in and say, "there's no difference between the parties! They're all out to screw over the little guy anyway." It's an incredibly bad argument, because it ignores everything of substance being discussed. Of course there are differences between Apple and Google's corporate culture and market strategies. If you aren't interested in discussing those differences, what are you doing in this thread? Well other than to come to Apple's defense with the "they're all the same!" argument.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
$60 million is "got Apple good"?

Based on their last quarterly profits statement, that's approximately 10 hours of income lost.

Meanwhile, they finally have full access to that market. I think they'll take that deal.
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Probably a lot more than Apple can shakedown out of their lousy touch screen patents.
 
quaere said:
This is the same argument as in the threads when one politician/political party does something indefensible and people on that side come in and say, "there's no difference between the parties! They're all out to screw over the little guy anyway." It's an incredibly bad argument, because it ignores everything of substance being discussed. Of course there are differences between Apple and Google's corporate culture and market strategies. If you aren't interested in discussing those differences, what are you doing in this thread? Well other than to come to Apple's defense with the "they're all the same!" argument.
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I think he's talking about crazy rage good/evil crap, not market strategies.
 
Aw shit yea, I hope Google uses the same team as they did with the Oracle case.

Samsung source told The Korea Times: “It’s too early to comment on our game plan (with Google) in the legal battle; but we will do our best to get more royalties from Apple, which has benefited from our technology. The fight is becoming more dramatic and the possibility of a truce in the form of a cross-licensing deal, seems to be becoming likely.”
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http://9to5mac.com/2012/07/02/samsu...ork-together-to-fight-off-apples-legal-moves/
 
can't google/Samsung just have the galaxy nexus come preloaded with jelly bean and change the name of it to to bypass the injunction?
 
Cheebo said:
That sounds more like if things get worse google wants to cut a deal with apple for cross licensing rather than the endless litigation though? It sounds like the opposite of a oracle like situation.
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Google offered a settlement to Oracle early on, but Oracle wanted 6 billion dollars, then they went to trial.
 
Sky Chief said:
Apple gets the majority of Siri search results from Google:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481051

Google should block this
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It isn't that easy. Google makes a ton of money from Apple products and services. Apple to my knowledge makes well nada off of Google. Google can't go nuclear on Apple, it is not in their financial or business interest at all. There are a ton of iOS users out there and most of them use google search, Google wants to keep it that way.
 
I don't really care what Apple does as long as it's ethic doesn't harm the consumers too much (including Android users like me).

If I was running on stock android I would be pissed (roms all the way!). I don't like my devices being limited in anyway due to bullshit.

My real concern here is that with all that cash apple has at its disposal there's no telling how long they will continue to keep this up and get a few significant wins because of the incompetence of fucking idiot judges.
 
Typing his with mah illegal galaxy nexus

Don't give a fuck, call the fucking cops

You can take this phone away from my cold dead hands apple.

OK now there taking away features FUCK YOU Apple...

I'm glad I can install custom rooms that bypass this bullshit.

Let me ask you how apple fans would feel if Google had a lawsuit that require apple to remove siri from he iPhone ?

There would be blood in the streets....
 
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