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Apple products are just amazing

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Tabris said:
What won me over vs Android is the fact that while Android I can customize heavily and it has some better features on the OS for general use, I'm not guaranteed to get the latest OS on my phone. It's a horrible model where I need to rely on HTC, Samsung, Sony, etc to update my OS.

I know with my iPhone that I will get the new OS on my phone and unless my phone is quite out of date I will get the new features... at the same time as all their other phones.

This is also the exact reason I won't get an iPad (also the lack of eInk - whoever invents a screen that can switch back and forth from eInk will be a very rich company) because of Apple not updating iOS at the same time for iPad.

But that happens often. Since the inception of the iPhone, we now have four different models. Want the newest stuff? Shell out $600 for the newest iPhone. It's really no different. However, on the Android front, you can root your phone and install a rom for the latest firmware. Before I got my Evo, my old ass G1 had 2.1 Eclair installed on it and it ran like a dream.
 
Quicktime sucks ass. Just wanted to say this due to a recent issue reinstalling iTunes. Btw, is it true that iTunes won't function properly/fully if you uninstall QT? Ridiculous that I need to have this gigantic resource hog running (as if iTunes wasn't bad enough).
 
Solstice said:
I really wouldn't say their competitors are scrambling to catch up. Windows is still the most dominant OS by far, and Android is taking over the mobile market share more and more each month.
Oh yeah you're right. The other companies have never tried to come up with MacBook Pro, iPod, iPhone, or iPad clones, ever.
 
Solstice said:
But that happens often. Since the inception of the iPhone, we now have four different models. Want the newest stuff? Shell out $600 for the newest iPhone. It's really no different. However, on the Android front, you can root your phone and install a rom for the latest firmware. Before I got my Evo, my old ass G1 had 2.1 Eclair installed on it and it ran like a dream.
You can jailbreak any iPhone and activate the new features as well.
 
Fusebox said:
Not if the new features are a decent camera, BT 2.0 and an increased RAM/CPU speed.
Those would be hardware features, not OS/software features. Don't believe you can add those to Android phones through rooting either.
 
I actually thought you meant the features of the new Apple models because you used terms like "jailbreak" and "iphone".

I remember having to jailbreak just to get MMS and voice-dialling back in the day. It took Apple a long time to get the iPhone to an acceptable level of standard features.
 
Fusebox said:
I actually thought you meant the features of the new Apple models because you used terms like "jailbreak" and "iphone".
I meant the new software features, the same type you'd add by rooting your Droid phone to put on the new OS.
 
notworksafe said:
I meant the new software features, the same type you'd add by rooting your Droid phone to put on the new OS.

Oh I get it now. :D

silentspork said:
My first gen droid could have used a better camera, I better root it?

If anyone here deserves a rooting, it's me... for my shitty posts.
 
Solstice said:
Is it still missing an optical drive?

I believe so but external drives are cheap enough and I don't think I've personally used or created something with a optical disk for myself in a long time (on the computer). I think the thinness of the thing and weight outweighs the need for an optical drive (for me).
 
Kinyou said:
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Aren't they sometimes just going for style over substance? (Never got to try the mouse)
Is this a mockup? Because the regular, Mighty, or Magic mouse don't have that shape. That's kinda how I wish the Magic mouse was shaped, actually.
 
Solstice said:
Is it still missing an optical drive?

Yup, but Apple will be nice to sell you an external SuperDrive for $79
but I think an inexpensive external drive will do
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Loki said:
Btw, is it true that iTunes won't function properly/fully if you uninstall QT? Ridiculous that I need to have this gigantic resource hog running (as if iTunes wasn't bad enough).

Can anyone answer the above question? I realize that it's somewhat OT, but I didn't feel it warranted a new topic. Thanks.
 
Sharp said:
It's terribly constructed. A ton of moving parts, all of which break all the time, the wire becomes easily dislodged, and so on. I will say, though, that PC chargers are usually pretty shitty too.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
 
Burger said:
I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
Dude how many separable components does one charger need? Especially when they don't even accomplish their purpose since they break and things break off in them.
 
Sharp said:
You barely ever need the mouse either (never, if you turn on the right accessibility options and don't play games [but in the latter case you probably need the right click too]). That doesn't mean it isn't convenient.
i don't miss it. it's a click with a button press on the keyboard. same trouble.
 
Always-honest said:
i don't miss it. it's a click with a button press on the keyboard. same trouble.
No, it's not. Multiple clicks vs. a single click, two hands vs. one hands, and when you work with a variety of different keyboards with different buttons mapped to the same function it becomes a real pain in the ass.
 
Sharp said:
No, it's not. Multiple clicks vs. a single click, two hands vs. one hands, and when you work with a variety of different keyboards with different buttons mapped to the same function it becomes a real pain in the ass.
Your argument is just assuming everyone's using Windows. OSX rarely requires right-clicks. It's a human interface device designed for the operating system.

I've got right-click enabled on everything, trackpads and mice. So does almost everyone else. Why such passionate arguing over it? We're all the same here.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Your argument is just assuming everyone's using Windows. OSX rarely requires right-clicks. It's a human interface device designed for the operating system. It's like arguing why the iPhone doesn't have a right-click.
Nothing requires right clicks. That doesn't mean they're not useful all the time in OSX. Since I'm assuming you're a "power user" and use browsers, my guess is that on occasion you like to save images online, copy links, etc, as well as perform actions like opening a file with the non-default application or looking at its properties. All of these are facilitated by right click, and all of these are significantly more difficult to do (though still possible) without right-click or some facsimile of it. BTW, I'm not sure why you think I'm assuming everyone's using Windows since my main computer is a Macbook Pro and I'm on a Mac right now, primarily because I like OS X. Doesn't mean I make excuses for the hardware.
I've got right-click enabled on everything, trackpads and mice. So does almost everyone else. Why such passionate arguing over it? We're all the same here.
I don't think many people here are arguing that they prefer no right-click, but some people are arguing that it's a good design decision for intuitive purposes. I maintain that that's not really the case, and was using it as an example of how Apple sometimes completely misses the mark with its "innovations."
 
Sharp said:
Doesn't mean I make excuses for the hardware.
You can enable right-click in the software and the hardware has sensors for it and you can plug in any mouse in the world anyway. What's the problem?

Seriously, I work with clients that make more money in a year than I'll see in decades. You say "right-click" and they're like "right what?" It's astonishing. I know software developers that still go to the Edit menu to copy and paste. The arguments others are presenting to say a simplified mouse is a good idea aren't far-fetched.
 
Sharp said:
Dude how many separable components does one charger need? Especially when they don't even accomplish their purpose since they break and things break off in them.

An Apple laptop charger has zero moving parts. Sure, it has a removable part, but it's a solid state device.

Also, just because you have personally experienced several breakages doesn't mean there is a systemic design flaw in the product. Take me for example, my MBP is 38 months old and I still have the charger it came with. That doesn't mean I should assume they are all perfect however.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
You can enable right-click in the software and the hardware has sensors for it. What's the problem?
You're missing the point, I think. Firstly, the iMac one-button mouse did not have sensors for it. It also lacked a scroll-wheel equivalent, which was stupid. That you can enable it or plug in your own mouse or use keyboard shortcuts to replicate the same functionality doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't have to. It's not enough of an issue that I'm going to stop using Apple products or anything, it's solely being used as an example of how Apple's made its fair share of dumb hardware decisions.
 
You can right click just fine on Mac. In fact, I find it much easier on my Macbook compared to other laptops because of two finger tap. Plus you can always just connect a regular mouse if you want to.
 
H_Prestige said:
You can right click just fine on Mac. In fact, I find it much easier on my Macbook compared to other laptops because of two finger tap. Plus you can always just connect a regular mouse if you want to.
The mouse gestures are incredibly annoying and inconsistent, at least for me, but I'm not even talking about their laptops right now. I'm talking about their plain old-fashioned mice, the ones that came with the iMac that pretty clearly had one button and one button only. And of course you can connect a regular mouse... why is that relevant when we're talking about Apple's default hardware? I have no real problems with their software.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
You can enable right-click in the software and the hardware has sensors for it and you can plug in any mouse in the world anyway. What's the problem?

Seriously, I work with clients that make more money in a year than I'll see in decades. You say "right-click" and they're like "right what?" It's astonishing. I know software developers that still go to the Edit menu to copy and paste. The arguments others are presenting to say a simplified mouse is a good idea aren't far-fetched.
This guy makes like no money, yet buys Apple products, but Fusebox still calls all Apple users elitists.
 
mattiewheels said:
Is this a mockup? Because the regular, Mighty, or Magic mouse don't have that shape. That's kinda how I wish the Magic mouse was shaped, actually.

Sorry can't tell. It just showed up when I searched in google for "apple mouse"
 
giga said:
"Right click save image as” is not easier than drag/drop to your desktop/finder/dock.
That doesn't do the same thing. That's the equivalent of 'right click -> Send to [x]," which I would argue is at worst as difficult. That's also only one of the examples I gave. If you want a more detailed example than the above, how would you open a frame in its own tab without right click? I'm sure there's a way to do it, but I don't know any easy one.
 
Sharp said:
That doesn't do the same thing. That's the equivalent of 'right click -> Send to [x]," which I would argue is at worst as difficult. That's also only one of the examples I gave. If you want a more detailed example than the above, how would you open a frame in its own tab without right click? I'm sure there's a way to do it, but I don't know any easy one.
For most users, it does do the same thing. You’re getting worked up over some silly shit. I know that contextual menus are convenient, but you have to admit that they’re not always apparent to average users as I explained earlier.
 
giga said:
For most users, it does do the same thing. You’re getting worked up over some silly shit. I know that contextual menus are convenient, but you have to admit that they’re not always apparent to average users as I explained earlier.
I know there are plenty of users who have difficulty distinguishing between the two types of clicks, and I acknowledged as such earlier. But most of these people either just don't use right click (they just assume that click means left click), or they haven't grown up with computers. In today's society, there is really no reason at all to produce mice with just one button. Note that Apple recognizes that: that's why the Mighty Mouse can handle left and right clicks and has a middle mouse button to boot. I seriously do not know why I'm still talking about this one hardware feature, I was pointing out that Apple isn't perfect and made a statement like "it is dumb to not include right click at all," a statement that I thought would resonate at least on GAF (which is full of power users at the far right of the tech bell curve).

P.S. One of the biggest reasons I find myself using the right-mouse click is because a ton of applications on Macs are really just ported Windows apps, and a lot of them assume the use of the right click to an extent that native Mac programs do not.
 
Sharp said:
I know there are plenty of users who have difficulty distinguishing between the two types of clicks, and I acknowledged as such earlier. But most of these people either just don't use right click (they just assume that click means left click), or they haven't grown up with computers. In today's society, there is really no reason at all to produce mice with just one button. Note that Apple recognizes that: that's why the Mighty Mouse can handle left and right clicks and has a middle mouse button to boot.

P.S. One of the biggest reasons I find myself using the right-mouse click is because a ton of applications on Macs are really just ported Windows apps, and a lot of them assume the use of the right click to an extent that native Mac programs do not.
No one is producing one button mice anymore. What’s the problem?
 
giga said:
No one is producing one button mice anymore. What’s the problem?
Nothing. God. My initial response was to someone who claimed that Apple never released anything that wasn't absolutely perfect, polished and beautifully intuitive. Not "most of the time" or "tried to." Never. I gave a counterexample and got mobbed. This is why even though I own and use Apple products I don't like being called an Apple fan. Because it implies a level of groupthink and zealousness that I cannot endorse.
 
Sharp said:
Nothing. God. My initial response was to someone who claimed that Apple never released anything that wasn't absolutely perfect, polished and beautifully intuitive. Not "most of the time" or "tried to." Never. I gave a counterexample and got mobbed. This is why even though I own and use Apple products I don't like being called an Apple fan. Because it implies a level of groupthink and zealousness that I cannot endorse.
Then stop defending Apple and claiming that they’re always perfect. I can clearly see through your bullshit and know that you would grab Jobs’ cock if you had the chance.
 
giga said:
Then stop defending Apple and claiming that they’re always perfect. I can clearly see through your bullshit and know that you would grab Jobs’ cock if you had the chance.
When the fuck did I say Apple was always perfect? What have I done in this thread except point out how Apple isn't perfect? My next laptop is in the mail and it's an IdeaPad ffs. Do you have me confused with someone else?
 
Sharp said:
When the fuck did I say Apple was always perfect? What have I done in this thread except point out how Apple isn't perfect? My next laptop is in the mail and it's an IdeaPad ffs. Do you have me confused with someone else?
I rest my case.
 
Sharp said:
Oh, you're just trolling. That's cool, just give me a heads up next time so I don't waste my time responding.
lol everything is serious business to you.

I mean, you even admitted your multi-page, multi-day arguing was about "Nothing. God." Relax, bro.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
lol everything is serious business to you.

I mean, you even admitted your multi-page, multi-day arguing was about "Nothing. God." Relax, bro.
Son when someone is wrong on the Internet that is pretty fucking serious business.
 
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