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[Novid]

Never knew any of this. Really interesting.

you want to see the hight of hypcrocy?

The Commerce Committee Chairman, one Sen Jay Rockfeller (West Virgina) is the overseer of the Edict. (Commerce is overseer of the FCC)

There is a Venture Captalist Company that was created by his family in 1969. This company helped intel, some others in first seed money.

This company is named Ventrock.

Now in 2009, they gave nearly 4 million in funds to a "internet start up firm" named...

Crunchyroll.

Mr Rockfeller has never confirmed or denyed that he even left Ventrock.

And there have been rumors of late that in the early days of Crunchy that Huwuei's servers (which have been investagated by diffrent committee as a company that might be stealing state secrets) where used in the actual pireting of content even when they had the seed money from Ventrock.

Compare this to Viki, who we know from the about us page on their website every company they are supported by and everybody funding the venture.

 

[Pandaman]

Especially as the six main characters are depicted as children.

the 6 main characters all own property and work jobs. [well, not twilight. but fluttershy and dash own private homes, rarity owns a business, pinkie rents a loft and applejack runs a family farm]

Dem children payin' those killer pony mortgages.

 

[Novid]

on the problem: Isn't the E/I Edict limited to terrestrial networks? Cartoon Network, as a satellite network responded to the changes in the Majors' scheduling?

I haven't watched enough of these programs to draw an informed conclusion, but I can see what you are getting at.

It wasn't implemented at the networks within the spirit of the law, typical loophole mining. I would like to see pressures that encourage content-creators to try to include more educational elements into the greater arc of a show. There is a lack of quality material, or maybe it is just drowned in the flood of mediocrity and trash, that with the right market incentives could motivate talented individuals to provide informative and enjoyable viewing experiences.

I can understand how you see this a source of concern, and even the cause of the current state of children's programming. I'm not in complete agreement but only because of the amount of unknown that I recognize from my limited knowledge.

The reason why the Cable Business is worried about the 70/30 rule is because of the E/I edict. Certain shows CAN be E/I on cable like MLP was in the first season. But the FCC has NO power to enforce the E/I rule on cable networks.

There is no spirit to the law. All the law did was to create more problems that were out of its perview that was needed. The law should have been a reevulation of welfare laws and how they effect children. It would have gone a very LONG way to solving every problem we have in the nation.

 

[Burai]

Except they're not, unless you consider teenagers to be children. Most of them are shown living on their own and making a living for themselves, working some type of job, or having some other type of responsibility.

the 6 main characters all own property and work jobs. [well, not twilight. but fluttershy and dash own private homes, rarity owns a business, pinkie rents a loft and applejack runs a family farm]

Dem children payin' those killer pony mortgages.

Yet they very clearly have the mentality of children. Compare them to the obvious grown up authority figures in mentality and physical appearance and it's obvious that these characters are supposed to be either children or mildly autistic dwarves.

My three year old likes to play shop and has a playhouse. It doesn't make her an adult.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

I think the more apt comparison would be the likes of Tali, Garrus, those Navi folk, etc.

There is a spectrum of fucked up and creepy. The Mass Effect Garrus shippers are midway along the spectrum. The Bronie bestiophiles are just beyond that.

Look, if you're a furry, that's fine, whatever. But you can't be into an incredibly niche sexual kink and then defend it as normal. Because it's not. It's weird, and I assume that's part of the allure.

I like some freaky stuff too (with a human female), and I know that it's freaky, and I like that it is. Bronies should embrace their freakiness too rather than trying to hide it.

 

[Corky]

Look, if you're a furry, that's fine, whatever. But you can't be into an incredibly niche sexual kink and then defend it as normal. Because it's not. It's weird, and I assume that's part of the allure.

I agree with this.

I once saw a clip of two Japanese women using a funnel to transport a colony of tadpoles through each others sphincters and I was slightly aroused. I'm not gonna act that it's normal.

 

[G-Fex]

There is a spectrum of fucked up and creepy. The Mass Effect Garrus shippers are midway along the spectrum. The Bronie bestiophiles are just beyond that.

Look, if you're a furry, that's fine, whatever. But you can't be into an incredibly niche sexual kink and then defend it as normal. Because it's not. It's weird, and I assume that's part of the allure.

I like some freaky stuff too (with a human female), and I know that it's freaky, and I like that it is. Bronies should embrace their freakiness too rather than trying to hide it.

tell you what, I'm going to agree with you if...

cause apparently the whole furry doesn't = beastiality or pedophile thing flew over your head.

I'll agree with you IF...

if you can find any posts saying that the brony gaffers here or any gaffer with a pony avatar has any and at all sexual interest in the cartoon or any cartoon.

Just go on, search for it.

I assume you're speaking of the bronies here cause they're the only ones that have been defending the pony stuff. You can't pluck posts from 4chan or reddit now. I'm speaking of the pony fans on THIS board. Go find me some evidence or confession man.

Go go.

 

[SmokyDave]

Go go.

In what way is this topic limited to just the 'bronies' on GAF?

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

I hope they do change the definition because by definition, I will become an Alpha male and therefor become a chick magnet

But seriously though, these people receive more attention than they should. They don't change anything.

 

[G-Fex]

In what way is this topic limited to just the 'bronies' on GAF?

Well I'm curious I want to see proof of the 'pony fornicators'. We're having a talk that involves the bronies on this board and since many here like burai are claiming that they've(posters here) got that beastial pony humping thing going on I want to see proof in posts.

 

[Novid]

To add to Partial Gamification point. They could improve on the "law" they could change the way they do buisness. But lets play a bit of what if.

What if the law did say news was allowed? Then folks, we wouldnt have these disastars with the news media like we do now.

 

[Master Milk]

Yet they very clearly have the mentality of children. Compare them to the obvious grown up authority figures in mentality and physical appearance and it's obvious that these characters are supposed to be either children or mildly autistic dwarves.

Not clearly at all. Cite some examples that outweigh working a job or living on their own and taking care of themselves.

There are very few authority figures for the main six. The mayor of the town they live in would be one, but she doesn't look or act any different than they do. The princess of wherever they live would be the other, but she's basically a demigod.

There are also characters that are clearly supposed to be children relative to the main six. Spike is always portrayed as a child. Two of the mains have little sisters that are clearly children. They even go to school and are taught by a pony on the same level of the main six.

My three year old likes to play shop and has a playhouse. It doesn't make her an adult.

Let us know when she moves out and starts paying her own bills. We'll call her one then.

 

[Pandaman]

Yet they very clearly have the mentality of children. Compare them to the obvious grown up authority figures in mentality and physical appearance and it's obvious that these characters are supposed to be either children or mildly autistic dwarves.

My three year old likes to play shop and has a playhouse. It doesn't make her an adult.

compare them? okay.

unnamed side character; dont know what he does.
named side character, sheriff of a small town.

one of the above is a parent, the other is the same age as the main cast. explain why they are obviously different using their physical appearance.
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You won't though, because it's quite clear that you're full of shit.

 

[Novid]

Folks. The Problem youre seeing isnt because bronies are "attracted" to ponies. or what not.

NOOO.

When Sailor Moon aired? No problems. (just the religious nutters and DiC acting all scared)
When DBZ aired? DudeBroCity with a hint of wacky hair (again just the nutters and Saban acting like he own the place)
When Pokemon aired? The fad to end all Fads (religous nutters again, but Al Kahn flips the bird and make his money.)
Now MLP aires and whats the diffence?
The Industry has collapsed. Period.

 

[SmokyDave]

Well I'm curious I want to see proof of the 'pony fornicators'. We're having a talk that involves the bronies on this board and since many here like burai are claiming that they've(posters here) got that beastial pony humping thing going on I want to see proof in posts.

If all you want is evidence that a portion of 'bronies' have sexualised these characters, look up the words 'clopping' or 'wingboner'. There's also a stack of freaky fan-art out there no doubt.

 

[G-Fex]

If all you want is evidence that a portion of 'bronies' have sexualised these characters, look up the words 'clopping' or 'wingboner'. There's also a stack of freaky fan-art out there no doubt.

Nah man I'm aware that stuff exists out there but I want to see if the bronies here are just like the other people out there.

Surely they can admit it can't they? I think most of you admitted to watching some stuff, if any body is a hardcore pony user then well they can come out and say it.

Don't tell me they're not on this very forum typing out their erotic fanfiction? Come on dave, show me some proof posts.

I just want to see if there's pony clop experts here.

I mean I know there's hentai experts around here.

 

[Delusibeta]

Folks. The Problem youre seeing isnt because bronies are "attracted" to ponies. or what not.

NOOO.

When Sailor Moon aired? No problems. (just the religious nutters and DiC acting all scared)
When DBZ aired? DudeBroCity with a hint of wacky hair (again just the nutters and Saban acting like he own the place)
When Pokemon aired? The fad to end all Fads (religous nutters again, but Al Kahn flips the bird and make his money.)
Now MLP aires and whats the diffence?
The Industry has collapsed. Period.

So, what brand of tin-foil did you use to make that hat?

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

tell you what, I'm going to agree with you if...

cause apparently the whole furry doesn't = beastiality or pedophile thing flew over your head.

I'll agree with you IF...

if you can find any posts saying that the brony gaffers here or any gaffer with a pony avatar has any and at all sexual interest in the cartoon or any cartoon.

Just go on, search for it.

I assume you're speaking of the bronies here cause they're the only ones that have been defending the pony stuff. You can't pluck posts from 4chan or reddit now. I'm speaking of the pony fans on THIS board. Go find me some evidence or confession man.

Go go.

Not doing it, far too much effort, far too little reward. And it involves reading through pages and pages of perverts talking about pastel coloured horses. That they want to fuck.



I have seen INCREDIBLY disturbing fan art. And people using 'clop' in THAT way does nothing to help the cause of convincing people that MLP fans aren't into it sexually.

 

[Pandaman]

So, what brand of tin-foil did you use to make that hat?

ALCAN individual sheets man. tearing your own tinfoil is for plebs.

 

[DrForester]

Not doing it, far too much effort, far too little reward. And it involves reading through pages and pages of perverts talking about pastel coloured horses. That they want to fuck.



I have seen INCREDIBLY disturbing fan art. And people using 'clop' in THAT way does nothing to help the cause of convincing people that MLP fans aren't into it sexually.

Name any fandom that hasn't produced incredibly disturbing fanart. Problem you have is you're trying to group anyone who likes this show into the same category. Does everyone who enjoyed "The Lion King" want to screw a lion because there's disturbing fanart of it out there?

 

[G-Fex]

Not doing it, far too much effort, far too little reward. And it involves reading through pages and pages of perverts talking about pastel coloured horses. That they want to fuck.



I have seen INCREDIBLY disturbing fan art. And people using 'clop' in THAT way does nothing to help the cause of convincing people that MLP fans aren't into it sexually.

Understandable, good effort though Jed.

 

[okdakor]

Surely they can admit it can't they?

They can't, they're into it "for the plot"

And we come back to this :

I like some freaky stuff too (with a human female), and I know that it's freaky, and I like that it is. Bronies should embrace their freakiness too rather than trying to hide it.

 

[Novid]

ALCAN individual sheets man. tearing your own tinfoil is for plebs.

lol...

 

[Novid]

So, what brand of tin-foil did you use to make that hat?

dude, dude.

yall talking sex and why they aint fucking the right people (or human).

im talking about why they exist in the first place. i dont care for their pecidellicos.

 

[SmokyDave]

Nah man I'm aware that stuff exists out there but I want to see if the bronies here are just like the other people out there.

Surely they can admit it can't they? I think most of you admitted to watching some stuff, if any body is a hardcore pony user then well they can come out and say it.

Don't tell me they're not on this very forum typing out their erotic fanfiction? Come on dave, show me some proof posts.

I just want to see if there's pony clop experts here.

I mean I know there's hentai experts around here.

I don't get why you're still insistent on finding these people specifically on GAF. The OP isn't referring to GAFfers specifically, why must the rest of the topic?

Name any fandom that hasn't produced incredibly disturbing fanart. Problem you have is you're trying to group anyone who likes this show into the same category. Does everyone who enjoyed "The Lion King" want to screw a lion because there's disturbing fanart of it out there?

Do they call themselves 'Kingies' and invent terminology to express their sexual desires towards Simba? No, didn't think so.

 

[GremlinFool]

Well I'm curious I want to see proof of the 'pony fornicators'. We're having a talk that involves the bronies on this board and since many here like burai are claiming that they've(posters here) got that beastial pony humping thing going on I want to see proof in posts.

There's quite a bit of negative reinforcement on GAF to dissuade potential closet pony cases from openly divulging details about their unsavory fetishes.

I'm sure if any poster goes into any sort of detail whatsoever about their own sexualized fantasies about MLP, they would promptly be banned. Similarly, you won't see many people talking about fantasizing about murder on this forum, though I'm sure it's out there. Perhaps a better example is the complete dearth of discussion on piracy on this forum, though I'm certain a significant percentage of GAF members partake in illicit pirating. There is just a system of disincentives in place to discourage that sort of discussion.

 

[G-Fex]

Well I guess I was wrong, can't find them on here. But they're out there

A lot of terrible things are out there, this is just one of the newer things. Be careful what you google image search out there Dave. For reals. I'm not taking sides btw, nor proving a point, I just was morbidly curious to see if anyone on this board or bronies were actually into fornicating with these cartoon characters.


I think a better topic would've been are comic-convention goers changing the definition of etc etc.

There's quite a bit of negative reinforcement on GAF to dissuade potential closet pony cases from openly divulging details about their unsavory fetishes.

I'm sure if any poster goes into any sort of detail whatsoever about their own sexualized fantasies about MLP, they would promptly be banned. Similarly, you won't see many people talking about fantasizing about murder on this forum, though I'm sure it's out there. Perhaps a better example is the complete dearth of discussion on piracy on this forum, though I'm certain a significant percentage of GAF members partake in illicit pirating. There is just a system of disincentives in place to discourage that sort of discussion.

Nope I heard stupider things on this forum and no ban happened lest they spam the funny picture thread.

I've even heard murder threats on here too I think.

But hey whatever.

 

[Pandaman]

Do they call themselves 'Kingies' and invent terminology to express their sexual desires towards Simba? No, didn't think so.

Took me one google.

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/The_Lion_King_MUCK

 

[Novid]

Took me one google.

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/The_Lion_King_MUCK

pandaman...you something else dude.

 

[Xzeon]

is this 'snip' thing a new thing, seeing a lot of it in here. so you know whats being quoted without taking up a lot of space or something.

anyways, i never feel like i accomplish anything in these threads. next time i will have to force myself to just ignore them, or just stop commenting on gaf all together, really its kind of pointless.

carry on with whatever the fuck this thing has turned into.

 

[Femmeworth]

*sees Novid posts and grabs popcorn*

 

[Pandaman]

pandaman...you something else dude.

The gift of google skills is often a curse.

I dont even watch ponies anymore, got bored of the show about halfway through s2. >_>

 

[OriginofHysteria]

The guy in the fedora just slays me every time. So creepy.



I can't sit here and definitively say there's elements of pedophilia in "brony" culture, as I do my best not to mingle with these individuals and their interests. However, assuming there was - it would not surprise me in the slightest.

Every damn Brony thread there's always a picture of someone at a conventon or meetup with a fedora. What makes it even more hilarious is that this guy is all out in a 3-piece suit.

What is with it with bronies and fedoras.

 

[G-Fex]

There's something dark about that picture.

IS that one in a blue beanie to the right a girl?

 

[SmokyDave]

Took me one google.

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/The_Lion_King_MUCK

Jesus H Christ. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised in a world where people marry monuments and roller coasters.

I still wonder if many 'bronies' are simply hiding in a safe space where they know they won't need to rub shoulders with other males. There's a lot of scorn thrown out about 'alpha males' and 'dudebros' nowadays that I don't think is always rooted in a fight against misogyny.

 

[Pre]

totally agree with you dude. to me, it feels like you get but a few choices after high school: college, military, shitty fast food/cubicle job or have a child. you get 4 choices and i dont want any of them, half of the people i knew from high school have a fucking kid or are just bullshitting their way through community college. what the fuck am i supposed to do?

Get a job, support yourself and any possible family you may have, and overall contribute to society instead of embracing fantasy to escape from the reality of your problems.

And it is abandonment we are interested in, here. The real, implicit challenge being posed is: are "Adult" responsibilities really better and more important? What makes these responsibilities more valid and productive use of our time than escapism in to Elder Scrolls or in to My Little Pony?

The fact that the reason why we have nice things like video game consoles and TVs is because people first worked to produce these things and then others worked to purchase them. It's fine to play video games and watch TV, but when you start building your identity around these things and begin eschewing your obligations and increasingly withdraw from society, that is a major problem.

As technomancer says, postmodernism is the undercurrent which poses these questions and challenges the notion of what being an "adult" means.

Yes, it's postmodernism, and society is worse off for it.

while we are arguing over pones the rest of gaf is fapping over a 19 year old.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=504090

And this right here is comedy gold. "Why is not weird that people find a girl in her sexual prime sexually attractive?"

 

[G-Fex]

Jesus H Christ. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised in a world where people marry monuments and roller coasters.

I still wonder if many 'bronies' are simply hiding in a safe space where they know they won't need to rub shoulders with other males. There's a lot of scorn thrown out about 'alpha males' and 'dudebros' nowadays that I don't think is always rooted in a fight against misogyny.

don't image search something with the safe search off, it'll save you a lot of grief

 

[SmokyDave]

is this 'snip' thing a new thing, seeing a lot of it in here. so you know whats being quoted without taking up a lot of space or something.

That's exactly it. There's no disrespect intended, it just makes for better formatting when quoting a fairly long post not long after it was posted.

don't image search something with the safe search off, it'll save you a lot of grief

All my images are 'safe-search' off, but that's because all my image searches are for hot women baring their breasts.

 

[okdakor]

I dont even watch ponies anymore, got bored of the show about halfway through s2. >_>

So, you were in then out of it... can you explain us what's so stellar about the plot ?

 

[Partial Gamification]

The reason why the Cable Business is worried about the 70/30 rule is because of the E/I edict. Certain shows CAN be E/I on cable like MLP was in the first season. But the FCC has NO power to enforce the E/I rule on cable networks.

There is no spirit to the law. All the law did was to create more problems that were out of its perview that was needed. The law should have been a reevulation of welfare laws and how they effect children. It would have gone a very LONG way to solving every problem we have in the nation.

The bolded I completely agree with. I appreciate your responses and bringing this to my attention, to the attention of others.

 

[LowParry]

don't image search something with the safe search off, it'll save you a lot of grief

Well, to be fair about Google, they did tighten their searching capabilities with safe search off. Using Bing however................

 

[Novid]

Well, to be fair about Google, they did tighten their searching capabilities with safe search off. Using Bing however................

isnt it ironic that MS set up scroogled advertisments because of the whole safe-search thing where there whole kit and caboode with windows 8 and how apps can get aproved is draconian?

 

[The Technomancer]

What I find far more interesting than people who are attracted to the visual appearance of the actual pony characters are people who are attracted to (to any degree) humanized illustrations of the pony characters. It makes me wonder what lens the show is being perceived through.

 

[Novid]

bronies, your not at fault.

nobody is blaming you.

I have never blamed yall (just some of yall over Saban and overuse of the 4Chan bs)

its a symptom of a not yet dead industry going through a death pang.

 

[Pandaman]

So, you were in then out of it... can you explain us what's so stellar about the plot ?

the shows episodic and the plots are formulaic; but the characters are well-written and the voice acting is solid. I also enjoyed the alternate character interpretations that sprung up as new episodes added to the shows backstory; like Celestia [the big motherly figure] as a power-mad dictator.

 

[Novid]

What I find far more interesting than people who are attracted to the visual appearance of the actual pony characters are people who are attracted to (to any degree) humanized illustrations of the pony characters. It makes me wonder what lens the show is being perceived through.

here lies the great question but like i said that has nothing to do what the bronies exist.

 

[Deleted member 81567]

I'm clopping hard right now.. it just feels right.

Good night sweet prince.

 

[BluWacky]

here lies the great question but like i said that has nothing to do what the bronies exist.

What does the collapse of the saturday morning cartoon industry have to do with why bronies exist, then? I think you're trying to tie the decline in Western-produced cartoons on normal terrestrial television to the emergence of bronies, but I don't understand why. Being a "brony" is surely a psychological/sociological thing to do with the person themselves, rather than... actually, I genuinely don't have a clue what the link is between the general demise in popularity of children's programming outside of cable and the brony "movement".

Bronies are a global phenomenon. So is the demise of dedicated children's programming on mainstream television in the West (not just in the USA) - there's just too much other entertainment competing for the attention of young audiences. Here in the UK the BBC are finally moving all their children's programming onto dedicated channels from the end of this year, for instance. And you can't blame bronies in the UK on Haim Saban or 4Kids, given the complete non-traction of their programming or influence here.

 

[Transhuman]

The guy in the fedora just slays me every time. So creepy.

Not as creepy as the fact that there are 19 people in the picture, 10 of which are wearing glasses. People in glasses aren't creepy, but that percentage seems waaay too high.

What I find far more interesting than people who are attracted to the visual appearance of the actual pony characters are people who are attracted to (to any degree) humanized illustrations of the pony characters. It makes me wonder what lens the show is being perceived through.

I've always thought of it as them romanticizing the characters. I figure since the characters are designed to appeal to 10 year old girls, the innocence of the ponies arouses them.

 

[Novid]

What does the collapse of the saturday morning cartoon industry have to do with why bronies exist, then? I think you're trying to tie the decline in Western-produced cartoons on normal terrestrial television to the emergence of bronies, but I don't understand why. Being a "brony" is surely a psychological/sociological thing to do with the person themselves, rather than... actually, I genuinely don't have a clue what the link is between the general demise in popularity of children's programming outside of cable and the brony "movement".

Bronies are a global phenomenon. So is the demise of dedicated children's programming on mainstream television in the West (not just in the USA) - there's just too much other entertainment competing for the attention of young audiences. Here in the UK the BBC are finally moving all their children's programming onto dedicated channels from the end of this year, for instance. And you can't blame bronies in the UK on Haim Saban or 4Kids, given the complete non-traction of their programming or influence here.

UK industry has its own problems. Most of it scandal in the live action sphere. One that has lived in the UK would know WAY more about that business than me (Decard where are man?)

as for the collapse? Its long as hell but there is something that was mentioned in another board:

In the late 80s there was a movement that companies were "exploiting children for profits" and the children's television act of 1990 put the smack-down on that. That's why Saturday-morning cartoons died. you can read more about the act here, or more specifically, the part about Programming for Profit.

The idea is kids are dumb and can't tell the difference between programming and a commercial. They were also supposed to make 10 minutes out of every hour of children's programming "educational". That's why we have those 5 minute "and knowing is half the battle" bullshit at the end of kids cartoons on broadcast TV in the U.S. It's so the networks can hit their "educational" quota.

Sadly, most network affiliates insert their own commercials and can't guarantee that a random toy commercial would show up during broadcast of the actual show, so it became a big pain in the ass all around. They stopped picking up massive toy ads in bulk, the animation studios lost money, and with no revenue stream, the cartoons became ghetto version of their former selves.

It wasn't all bad though, the killing after-school cartoons and Saturday morning sugar-stuffs, it paved the way for Anime to enter the country in the early 90's. It's actually kind of funny. In an attempt to curb children's programming, we just wound up import *more* violent and market-driven stuff from overseas. The direct-to-video stuff flew right under the FCC's nose and here we are today.