Frankly the best example I can think of is the reaction this forum had towards Mass Effect 3's ending. The amount of anger displayed because players didn't get what they wanted and demanded a new ending is about as good of an example as Dr. Twenge's studies of narcissism among Generation Y.
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Are Generation's Y and Lower Entitled?
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AmaterasuOkami076
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At least the OP is open to discussion with an open mind. Sure, he might live in a particularly wealthy part of the country so his experience with "Generation Y" will likely be skewed, but this is the case regardless of where you're from, as it's purely anecdotal.
Perhaps then the answer to his question is no, maybe it's not the case. But there seems to be a lot of people with quite an unnecessary aggressive front. It seems more common to be jumping at the OP (in several threads) - unnecessarily to backfire the thread.
Perhaps then the answer to his question is no, maybe it's not the case. But there seems to be a lot of people with quite an unnecessary aggressive front. It seems more common to be jumping at the OP (in several threads) - unnecessarily to backfire the thread.
John Dunbar
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i have never played mass effect, but i don't think there has been a time when something anticipated turning out to be shit didn't lead to widespread whining.
Devolution
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Not really sure disappointment with games is a good barometer here.
My anecdotal evidence:
I graduated university this summer, and most of my friends graduated in the spring. People spent ages looking for jobs, and accepted things that they definitely would not have bothered with if it was 5 to 10 years ago. Only a handful have moved out of their parents home as well.
I don't think I can make any sort of generalizations about my age group, but I don't think we're feel entitled to things in our professional lives. I see people that feel like their oxygen is gone when they don't have cell/wifi reception, and expect an iPad for Christmas no matter what their parents make, but do they expect a defined benefit pension? Company car? 6 weeks of vacation time? I don't see it.
I graduated university this summer, and most of my friends graduated in the spring. People spent ages looking for jobs, and accepted things that they definitely would not have bothered with if it was 5 to 10 years ago. Only a handful have moved out of their parents home as well.
I don't think I can make any sort of generalizations about my age group, but I don't think we're feel entitled to things in our professional lives. I see people that feel like their oxygen is gone when they don't have cell/wifi reception, and expect an iPad for Christmas no matter what their parents make, but do they expect a defined benefit pension? Company car? 6 weeks of vacation time? I don't see it.
IrishNinja
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if you projected any harder, i think you'd be capable of a hadoken
oh yeah, people totally wouldn'tve done this when JR wasnt shot in Dallas if they'dve had the net back then
DR2K
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If you bought a burger that was advertised to have meat in it, but the meat is completely missing, would it make you "entitled" to ask for the meat or even be mad that the meat wasn't there.
Zyrusticae
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Yup, this is how it is for me as well.
I was VERY happy to finally get a job and attain my own income as my single mother simply cannot spare a single dollar for any luxuries. Of course a lot of that money went straight into my PC, but now that the upgrades are done and I have all the games I want I'm just sitting on most of what I earn (with some of it going to insurance and paying off the mortgage).
I really don't think you can make a case for this being a generational thing. Some people are just spoiled, through-and-through. It's not until they experience real hardship that they can understand...
The Technomancer
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Dude, what? This doesn't make any sense to me at all. You're saying that people from the 40s and 50s wouldn't have possibly had a similar negative reaction to the end of a fictional series they were invested in? Based on what?
See also: Sherlock Holmes.
The outcry was such that Doyle had to resurrect him. Though needing money probably didn't hurt either.
It's like they don't understand. They came from fucking cold ass wet nose UK, so yeah they love Australia. We have the entire USA, with all that sweet beautiful real estate, with only 15% of the creatures being deadly and wanting to kill us, versus 90%.
entremet
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If only Twitter/FB were around back then so we can have accurate measures.
You can objectively have an opinion that ME3's ending was bad for a game series about choice and consequences.
That's entirely a different thing than expecting a cruise for completing 6th grade, breathing, and successfully completing potty training.
Robot Pants
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Absolutely.
I would agree there was some overtly hostile behavior towards you and your family's wealth.
Its worth noting though that a lot of people hate the rich. They despise their success (or privilege) and everything about their way of life.
I'd get $5 from my grandma for passing in grade school.
I got a digital camera for graduating to highschool (passing grade 8).
I got a watch for graduating highschool.
I don't expect anything for graduating college (not that my parents don't spoil me, I just don't expect to be rewarded for graduating when graduating IS the reward)
I got a digital camera for graduating to highschool (passing grade 8).
I got a watch for graduating highschool.
I don't expect anything for graduating college (not that my parents don't spoil me, I just don't expect to be rewarded for graduating when graduating IS the reward)
evilromero
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lol. Daddy issues? The baby boomers saw how difficult their parent's lives were and wanted to create wealth to support both themselves, their parents and their children. They worked their asses off and no one would deny that. It's too early to make a call on "Generation X" but your comment comes off as really bitter. When you get older and you amass a bit more wealth I'm willing to bet your attitude changes.
Same here, except I don't use Facebook, so no clue what people from my high school graduation class are saying. I have been asked what would I want for college graduation, and I have no clue. What the heck is reasonable to ask for? I suppose nothing, but my family likes to give or do things for events that are considered a rite of passage.
always ask for way more than what you actually want.
even if they work down, you're still getting what you want.
CornBurrito
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Well I never experienced any of this. Jeez, hang out with better people.
It depends in the area you live in.
While this is true to an extent, I guarantee you there's a sizeable portion of people in the area he lives in who live on much less. It doesn't make him rich, exactly, but it certainly does make what he says seem a little whiny.
Zyrusticae
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Is this sarcasm? I can't tell.
Because for awhile my household has had a less than 25k income, with 5 people living in the house...
Trojita
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With the amount of Technology, coddling, and safety netting I've heard of in Schools now, I imagine Elementary School Students today are going to be the most entitled generation we've had so far. When I heard all the stuff they have now I'm like "They have what!?". I might need to add that this is around DC Suburbs. You also can't find any teenagers working at a fast food restaurant around here, even during the summer.
Also rich kids, mainly any kid that takes what they have for granted, will be an entitled little shit.
Also rich kids, mainly any kid that takes what they have for granted, will be an entitled little shit.
I think one of the big barriers to discussion of the topic of being "entitled" is that many people are incorrectly using the term. Being entitled means that you have a right to something. When I pay for a cheeseburger at McDonald's, I am entitled to receive a cheeseburger or get my money refunded.
For some reason, people have taken the word "entitled" and twisted it to mean something like "unwarranted sense of entitlement" - i.e. expecting a right to something they do not deserve a right to - almost the opposite of what the term is supposed to mean.
This has really poisoned discussion about government entitlements, since people view the term "entitlement" as indicating a sense of selfishness, when it is really meant to convey that they are things that are owed to people by law.
I think this has made it more difficult for people to conceptualize the idea of righteous entitlement. From my perspective, I am more concerned about the things that I think people should feel a greater sense of entitlement about, like a transparent government, personal privacy, societal equality, etc.
For some reason, people have taken the word "entitled" and twisted it to mean something like "unwarranted sense of entitlement" - i.e. expecting a right to something they do not deserve a right to - almost the opposite of what the term is supposed to mean.
This has really poisoned discussion about government entitlements, since people view the term "entitlement" as indicating a sense of selfishness, when it is really meant to convey that they are things that are owed to people by law.
I think this has made it more difficult for people to conceptualize the idea of righteous entitlement. From my perspective, I am more concerned about the things that I think people should feel a greater sense of entitlement about, like a transparent government, personal privacy, societal equality, etc.
Baraka in the White House
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The efforts to demonize the term have been mostly very deliberate.
Well things just got harder for minorities it seems. Gawd damnit it seems we can't catch a break
. I say that but with my job I should be good for the rest of my life provided I live until retirement.
Saw this thread thanks to a link on another board. I need to chime in after seeing this, even if the thread is a little old. Try taking a drive through downtown Hempstead or past a few Farmingville flophouses and tell the people you see there how spoiled they are. The island does have spoiled people (lord knows I know plenty, growing up in a well-to-do area, and I'll admit that I had a pretty cozy lifestyle growing up, thanks to my hardworking father (a HS foreign language teacher)) but way to generalize 4 million people.
Yup, screw Nassau, Suffolk is better
In Massapequa? Yup, you only have to go one or two towns over to North Amityville to see this. Out on the island, schools are everything - a small house in a good school district will be much more expensive and have much higher taxes than a big one in a shitty district.
BTW OP, are you Jewish or Italian perchance?
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