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Are Microsoft getting there with their First Party now? 5 new studios announced!

PanicFreak said:
Yeah but that's not what you said. You said that they need to start focusing on next gen because they are dead in the water. Focusing on next gen means resetting and trying again. If your really meant "they should put out compelling software on the Xbox One to make people feel like they would be crazy to miss out on the next Xbox" you should have said that.

Instead, you came in, trashed all the things Microsoft has, said they suck compared to Sony's and said that they will continue to suck unless they get their act together. Which is basically the same permutation of every post you make on this message board.
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theWB27 said:
So you constantly complain about how they don't have first party offerings, now you say they need to all but skip a console that's not even a year old to focus on a system that's how far out? What would they be developing for? How far along is the next Xbox? What tools are going to be needed?

They've lost territories that you say they'll never get back, but hey, lets skip a gen and dig an even deeper hole.

Even if they lose this gen, it's still on Microsoft to offer games to the people who have the system and good on them for seemingly going in this route.

What would be your advice for Ninty at this point?

Sometimes you make decent points against Microsoft....other times you kind of go over into hyperbole territory. Advising them to skip a whole generation for a system that can't even begin to be developed for is crossing that hyperbole line.
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Okay, let me be clear about this. Yes, getting first party studios up and running to support the X1 is good. The thing is, these games from these new studios won't be out anytime soon. By the time they're out, it will be too late to have an effect in turning the X1's fortunes around. This is why I said they need to start prepping new studios primarily to prepare for next gen. Yes, if they can get out a game on the X1 before the new gen rolls around then that's also great, but their eyes should be set on coming back with a vengeance with the next Xbox.

They already made this mistake this gen by not preparing and expanding their first party studios during the Kinect year. I'm not saying they should give up completely on the X1, the console will sell decently with its third party support and the cyclical IPs MS has, but if they really want to get back to the 360's level then they're going to have to wait for a fresh start.

As for Nintendo.... I honestly don't know. Lack of third party support is going to keep kicking them in the shin. They need to court the publishers and get them onboard for their next console, or I don't see what they can possibly do for next gen.

Basically, Ninty has a strong first party but little third party. MS has a strong third party support but lackluster first party. Sony has both. That's what Nintendo and MS should both work towards.

You guys get what I'm saying here? As for myself, of course I know I'm overly critical of the X1, and though I may never purchase one, it doesn't mean I wouldn't purchase the next Xbox. The original Xbox and early 360 years are still right up there for me.
 
fantomena said:
I would call them 3rd party exclusive games.
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The problem with this is that it puts them in the same category as something like Dead Rising 1, a third party exclusive that Microsoft had nothing to do with.

Stuff like Gears, Mass Effect, and Alan Wake came from third party studios, but they were first party games.
 
Kayant said:
And it's gone.... LXP website is offline. Thanks to Doffen.
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Huh. Wonder why they took it down?

Miles Quaritch said:
Listen, you can hear the thousand screams of people port begging for Sunset...
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It's funny, because it's true. It's also sad because it's difficult for any thread not dealing with the exclusivity issue to get off the ground.

Team Vernia said:
Along with the screams for ports of Halo:MCC, Quantum Break, and Scalebound, it's like a symphony.
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The Halo MCC petition is goddamn hilarious.
 
Well I hope so. I don't like their current strategy much, as someone who played pretty much exclusively on 360 last gen for most of the generation. I'm anxious to see them turn a new leaf from where they started this gen. Should be fun if it's lots of novel new games
 
Great news to see MS opening 5 games studios (if they are game dev studios).

I prefer them to bet in 1st party teams and IPs more than in 3rd party/indies exclusives, more or less like Sony does. This allow all the fans to enjoy 3rd party games and their fans to enjoy exclusives that last forever and that take advantage of the device better than anyone else.
 
Dragonborn said:
Okay, let me be clear about this. Yes, getting first party studios up and running to support the X1 is good. The thing is, these games from these new studios won't be out anytime soon. By the time they're out, it will be too late to have an effect in turning the X1's fortunes around. This is why I said they need to start prepping new studios primarily to prepare for next gen. Yes, if they can get out a game on the X1 before the new gen rolls around then that's also great, but their eyes should be set on coming back with a vengeance with the next Xbox.

They already made this mistake this gen by not preparing and expanding their first party studios during the Kinect year. I'm not saying they should give up completely on the X1, the console will sell decently with its third party support and the cyclical IPs MS has, but if they really want to get back to the 360's level then they're going to have to wait for a fresh start.

As for Nintendo.... I honestly don't know. Lack of third party support is going to keep kicking them in the shin. They need to court the publishers and get them onboard for their next console, or I don't see what they can possibly do for next gen.

Basically, Ninty has a strong first party but little third party. MS has a strong third party support but lackluster first party. Sony has both. That's what Nintendo and MS should both work towards.

You guys get what I'm saying here? As for myself, of course I know I'm overly critical of the X1, and though I may never purchase one, it doesn't mean I wouldn't purchase the next Xbox. The original Xbox and early 360 years are still right up there for me.
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While I don't see how studios can start planning for a console that is nowhere near...anything. Have no qualm about the rest of your argument.

They have to put out at least one title this gen, if that's the goal of the studio. This is also assuming these studios JUST came to fruition. Which is something I don't think it true for the majority.

Agree with the OG and 360.
 
Dragonborn said:
Okay, let me be clear about this. Yes, getting first party studios up and running to support the X1 is good. The thing is, these games from these new studios won't be out anytime soon. By the time they're out, it will be too late to have an effect in turning the X1's fortunes around. This is why I said they need to start prepping new studios primarily to prepare for next gen. Yes, if they can get out a game on the X1 before the new gen rolls around then that's also great, but their eyes should be set on coming back with a vengeance with the next Xbox.

They already made this mistake this gen by not preparing and expanding their first party studios during the Kinect year. I'm not saying they should give up completely on the X1, the console will sell decently with its third party support and the cyclical IPs MS has, but if they really want to get back to the 360's level then they're going to have to wait for a fresh start.
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I appreciate your clarification. However, thinking toward next-gen isn't how Sony got to the PS4. They learned how to sell the PS3 better and tried to fix the consoles shortcomings with the PS4. That's what Microsoft needs to do. Learn to sell the Xbox One to people (i.e., put out compelling software) and fix the box's shortcomings later.
 
Dragonborn said:
Okay, let me be clear about this. Yes, getting first party studios up and running to support the X1 is good. The thing is, these games from these new studios won't be out anytime soon. By the time they're out, it will be too late to have an effect in turning the X1's fortunes around. This is why I said they need to start prepping new studios primarily to prepare for next gen. Yes, if they can get out a game on the X1 before the new gen rolls around then that's also great, but their eyes should be set on coming back with a vengeance with the next Xbox.

They already made this mistake this gen by not preparing and expanding their first party studios during the Kinect year. I'm not saying they should give up completely on the X1, the console will sell decently with its third party support and the cyclical IPs MS has, but if they really want to get back to the 360's level then they're going to have to wait for a fresh start.

As for Nintendo.... I honestly don't know. Lack of third party support is going to keep kicking them in the shin. They need to court the publishers and get them onboard for their next console, or I don't see what they can possibly do for next gen.

Basically, Ninty has a strong first party but little third party. MS has a strong third party support but lackluster first party. Sony has both. That's what Nintendo and MS should both work towards.

You guys get what I'm saying here? As for myself, of course I know I'm overly critical of the X1, and though I may never purchase one, it doesn't mean I wouldn't purchase the next Xbox. The original Xbox and early 360 years are still right up there for me.
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The XB1 already has a solid lineup and its only going to get better with more first party studios. The XB1 is not even close to doomed. Its still selling a lot regardless of Sony kicking ass. Its just silly to pretend that the XB1 is doomed at this point and to state so sounds a bit more like wishful thinking. I don't know why someone would want that personally.
 
Ol No Bones said:
The XB1 already has a solid lineup and its only going to get better with more first party studios. The XB1 is not even close to doomed. Its still selling a lot regardless of Sony kicking ass. Its just silly to pretend that the XB1 is doomed at this point and to state so sounds a bit more like wishful thinking. I don't know why someone would want that personally.
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It's doing okay in NA and the UK (where it's getting soundly beat as well). It's not hyperbole to say that it's practically dead everywhere else. That is an issue.

PanicFreak said:
I appreciate your clarification. However, thinking toward next-gen isn't how Sony got to the PS4. They learned how to sell the PS3 better and tried to fix the consoles shortcomings with the PS4. That's what Microsoft needs to do. Learn to sell the Xbox One to people (i.e., put out compelling software) and fix the box's shortcomings later.
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Exactly but I mean, look at the PS3 in NA. Not matter how many quality exclusives Sony put out or how many things they did right, the 360 still outsold the PS3 almost 2 to 1. The thing that changed this was the fresh start that the PS4 provided. That's what I mean in regards to the X1 and it's successor. The X1 will sell decently but if they want to get back to 360 levels of success, they'll have to wait till next gen rolls in.
theWB27 said:
While I don't see how studios can start planning for a console that is nowhere near...anything. Have no qualm about the rest of your argument.

They have to put out at least one title this gen, if that's the goal of the studio. This is also assuming these studios JUST came to fruition. Which is something I don't think it true for the majority.

Agree with the OG and 360.
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Well, first party studios are probably somewhat privy to MS/Sony's plans. Now I'm not saying they should skip X1, like I said maybe get a game or two out if time permits. What I am saying is that the main driving force for improving their first party should be looking towards the future.
 
Team Vernia said:
Still first party, though.
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By that reckoning Ninja Gaiden 2 is a first party Microsoft game. The only games that can be truly considered first party are where the platform holder owns the IP.

Imagine Insomniac took Sunset Overdrive to PS4. It's well within their rights as they own it. Not first party then is it?

Alan Wake, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break etc could all theoretically come to playstation, PC or Nintendo console. Unlikely, yes, but not impossible.

Just look at Ryse.
 
"getting there", reminds me of a few years ago when people were hyping up all their new 1st party studios, and those studios ended up working on kinect and xbla games. The only one with a new AAA IP was Black Tusk (MS Vancouver) until MS bought the Gears IP and had them cancel whatever they were working on, really a shame, Shangheist looked cool.
 
Canis lupus said:
"getting there", reminds me of a few years ago when people were hyping up all their new 1st party studios, and those studios ended up working on kinect and xbla games. The only one with a new AAA IP was Black Tusk (MS Vancouver) until MS bought the Gears IP and had them cancel whatever they were working on, really a shame, Shangheist looked cool.
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Maybe there's a bit more optimism because of the new guy in charge and his seemingly banishment of Kinect?
 
Amir0x said:
Well I hope so. I don't like their current strategy much, as someone who played pretty much exclusively on 360 last gen for most of the generation. I'm anxious to see them turn a new leaf from where they started this gen. Should be fun if it's lots of novel new games
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Their strategy to games is exactly the same as it was the last generation Lol.
 
I don't know, I'd prefer if they invest to make bigger the studios they already have. I mean, as far as I know Microsoft already have a good "first party army".. the problem remains the output. I'm giving a quick look at the list on Wikipedia, too many of these studios did very poorly, both on quantity and, please allow me to say this, on quality.
They'll get nowhere by just opening new studios, in my opinion.. nonetheless, it's still something and definitely a good thing. Just don't forget the games.
 
Dragonborn said:
Well, first party studios are probably somewhat privy to MS/Sony's plans. Now I'm not saying they should skip X1, like I said maybe get a game or two out if time permits. What I am saying is that the main driving force for improving their first party should be looking towards the future.
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So you are saying that Microsoft, a company which is widely criticized for holding back late current gen games in favor of early next-gen games, should start holding back early gen games because they can't catch up this gen? And that would make you feel better about owning the next Xbox?

Quick question: I've read numerous things from people saying that they are not sure about whether a game from Black Tusk will be any good because you have never seen one from them. What you are saying is that people will somehow be swayed between two theoretical consoles by the promise of new developers who have shown us exactly nothing or that people would rather have a game by three Black Tusks than one Naughty Dogs. How do you convince people to purchase a system for developers who have never released a game?

Microsoft needs to improve it's first party line-up, irrespective of focusing on a current or next-gen console. The theory that improving the first party will occur by holding back games is absurd. The only way people will ever know about a good line up of games is if a company actually releases them.
 
harSon said:
Their strategy to games is exactly the same as it was the last generation Lol.
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Last generation Halo 3 wad coming off the hype of the first two, Gears was brand new, Fable and Forza were barely on their second instalment and Rare was still somewhat good. Not to mention they had better looking and performing multiplats as well as a lot of high profile third party exclusives like Bioshock and Mass Effectm things have changed drastically.
 
I'm cautiously optimistic that this will result in some good games. MS certainly has the resources to create some good games and IPs if they want to.

PanicFreak said:
Microsoft needs to improve it's first party line-up, irrespective of focusing on a current or next-gen console. The theory that improving the first party will occur by holding back games is absurd. The only way people will ever know about a good line up of games is if a company actually releases them.
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But yeah, they have to release those games this generation to be successful. XBONE isn't a failure at all yet and needs to be supported. I don't understand how they'd even be able to stay in the business for the next console if they don't support XBONE. Competition is fierce enough as it is and is only getting fiercer with mobile/tablets/pc/amazon etc. If they allow the brand to weaken too much it won't be worth staying the business.
 
Well this is pleasantly surprising. Definitiely a move in the right direction for MS but it all comes down to the quality of the studios and the games they produce. No way of knowing that till we see what they are cooking.
 
Anybody else noticing that the LXP team video is removed from Youtube and LXPstudio.com is no longer working?

Hmm....
 
I just hope ShangHeist isn't canned. That looked really cool

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Team Vernia said:
But it's not. MS Studios published the game.
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But it is. It wasn't their IP, it was an exclusive deal in which MS published the game. I'm not sure if there's an official meaning for these terms, but for me, first party games are games owned by the platform holder.

PsihoPerihelion said:
When they own both the IP and the studio developing, why would you even consider it 3rd party?
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Thought it was obvious that I was talking about Gears when owned by Epic.
 
Out of curiosity (and I apologize if this is too off-topic for this thread, just ignore it in that case), has anyone heard what the work culture is like at Microsoft first-party studios? I know Microsoft in general has a reputation for prioritizing work-life balance for its developers, especially compared to other big tech companies. Does that attitude carry over to the game studios? Or do they follow the normal industry trends of insane work hours, crunching, and mass layoffs?
 
This is the right direction for Microsoft. They better give those teams the budget they need to make an impact. Less buying third party exclusives, more funding interesting project for your first party studios.

SlipperyMoose said:
I just hope ShangHeist isn't canned. That looked really cool

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Good God, my eyes!
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Galvanise_ said:
By that reckoning Ninja Gaiden 2 is a first party Microsoft game. The only games that can be truly considered first party are where the platform holder owns the IP.

Imagine Insomniac took Sunset Overdrive to PS4. It's well within their rights as they own it. Not first party then is it?

Alan Wake, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break etc could all theoretically come to playstation, PC or Nintendo console. Unlikely, yes, but not impossible.

Just look at Ryse.
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NG2 was co-published I believe, so not really first party.

jacks81x said:
Are Mass Effect 1 and Minecraft considered first party then since MS Studios published them also. Kinda weird to think of them as MS first party games when both are available on other platforms.
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Mass Effect was DEFINITELY first party. Minecraft, I don't know the details of exactly.
 
Team Vernia said:
NG2 was co-published I believe, so not really first party.



Mass Effect was DEFINITELY first party. Minecraft, I don't know the details of exactly.
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This is correct. Phil Spencer explains it here.

With Minecraft, I'd imagine its a bit different because it was already an existing game. Microsoft paid for the development of the port and distribution of the retail release. I believe its similar to what Sony is doing with Borderlands 2 for Vita.

Galvanise_ said:
Imagine Insomniac took Sunset Overdrive to PS4. It's well within their rights as they own it. Not first party then is it?

Alan Wake, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break etc could all theoretically come to playstation, PC or Nintendo console. Unlikely, yes, but not impossible.

Just look at Ryse.
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Microsoft owns the Quantum Break IP. For the other games, they would have the publishing rights. Why would they fund Sunset Overdrive if Insomniac could easily take it other platforms?
 
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