nba2k is not a particularly high apm game. I'm sure most people could do fine with a joycon. It might not be the most comfortable but im not sure if thats paramount when you are couch mutiplayer gaming.
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Are people underselling the Joycon's due to their small size?
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nba2k is not a particularly high apm game. I'm sure most people could do fine with a joycon. It might not be the most comfortable but im not sure if thats paramount when you are couch mutiplayer gaming.
I tend to not really care if I spent 20-30 extra dollars a year or two into the past. So when a rhythm heaven game gives me haptic feedback for hitting a perfect beat, or hitting a stun in monster hunter gives my controller a clean "thunk", I'm pretty sure I would be pretty happy about HD rumble. I still have to feel it to make an opinion though.
schaft0620
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$110 with the grip
There is no benefit to moving controls to the center while holding the left joycon and having the right side of that controller forcing you to grip it in a weird way when holding it sideways. That's not ergonomic. It never looked ergonomic in pictures and we have hands on reports of people stating their experience backs that up.
People have different sized hands and varying levels of comfortability. Can we acknowledge that reality instead of insisting we're looking at perfect, one size fits all situation?
Many would still consider that a luxury unlikely to be used by enough games in meaningful gameplay enhancing scenarios. And with battery life already being an issue many would likely opt to not use it in the first place, leaving them to once again pay a premium because Nintendo won't stop falling victim to feature creep.
Use these individually? Like you get half and they get half? I am sure it was tested throughly and it will be fine, but mentally it is hilarious to contemplate using them that way. Again, I am sure it was focus/play tested and will be fine, but the optics or what not -do it no favors.
Everything that isn't a traditional controller means one more hurdle for third party developers.
Dreams-Visions
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the regular 3DS gave me hand cramps within about 15 minutes of using it. I had to buy a controller holder thing for my PSP and Vita for the same reason. Otherwise it was like I was holding those systems with my fingertips. I have a real fear that I'm going to be fucked if I ever wanted to play this in 2 player mode.
Small hands don't run in my family. The old Xbox Duke controller was the most comfortable controller I ever recall owning.
One of the reasons I am likely to send back my Switch if I keep my pre-order.
Small hands don't run in my family. The old Xbox Duke controller was the most comfortable controller I ever recall owning.
One of the reasons I am likely to send back my Switch if I keep my pre-order.
Nintendo apologia continues. The power of corporations and their brands is truly breathtaking.
Become a corporation with a rabid fanbase -> make mindboggling decisions -> have your fans defend everything you do even at their own expense.
Yes tiny controllers that are smaller than a GB micro are actually a good thing for the consumer, of course! You get two of them for the price of one!
Don't waste my time Nintendo. Jeeze. And then to charge premium for them.. I get they don't want to sell at a loss, but the Switch is just a gigantic mess. Good on them for understanding how far down the rabbit hole their fans will follow them though
Become a corporation with a rabid fanbase -> make mindboggling decisions -> have your fans defend everything you do even at their own expense.
Yes tiny controllers that are smaller than a GB micro are actually a good thing for the consumer, of course! You get two of them for the price of one!
Don't waste my time Nintendo. Jeeze. And then to charge premium for them.. I get they don't want to sell at a loss, but the Switch is just a gigantic mess. Good on them for understanding how far down the rabbit hole their fans will follow them though
SinCityAssassin
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Well ain't this a nice thread.
Motion controls aren't mandatory for ARMS.
It's simple, people are afraid that they won't be able to use them comfortably. Even without trying them. Also, that it does not have 16 buttons for them to be able to feel like an absolute pro while playing against their friends.
That to me is a bit of an overreaction, but oh well, what do I know.
That to me is a bit of an overreaction, but oh well, what do I know.
This is an extremely simplistic view misrepresenting the real issue in Boards.
Dark Cloud
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Yep. Sounds like all the fanboys of each console manufacturer.
orthodoxy1095
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I don't really see the underselling. I think by and large most people would be willing to say that they Joy-Cons are full of interesting tech.
Comfort aside, the question that many people are raising is if the interesting tech is worth increased prices for accessories. As I've said before, I find it hard to buy that the tech is going to be adopted in a way that really justifies the cost to me. By and large, I expect what happens with most items like this to happen. Nintendo will make some games that utilize the features, a few enterprising indie devs will adopt it as well, and then most of it (if not all of it) will get laid by the wayside a few years from now.
Comfort aside, the question that many people are raising is if the interesting tech is worth increased prices for accessories. As I've said before, I find it hard to buy that the tech is going to be adopted in a way that really justifies the cost to me. By and large, I expect what happens with most items like this to happen. Nintendo will make some games that utilize the features, a few enterprising indie devs will adopt it as well, and then most of it (if not all of it) will get laid by the wayside a few years from now.
Thankfully you can get those controllers for $10-15 off MSRP regularly in the USA. That aside, I don't really see the point of bringing those controllers up. The DualShock 4 is also filled with worthless additions that needlessly drove up the cost of the item and actually made them legitimately worse than they would have been without.
Honest question, Was it hard for you to use a 3DS XL? Maybe this pick could help you out.
Is this question really honest? Because you realize you're comparing HALF of the controller (with a huge screen in the middle that also acts as part of the controller as far as hand spacing goes) to the entire thing with a joycon. Not talking about using 2 joycon, that seems totally reasonable and fine, talking about using 1 joycon for multiplayer.
Wrong though, the GBA micro is already 15% smaller than an NES controller in width.
NES controllers are like 116-117 MM wide
The GBA micro is 101 MM wide
CHARITABLY using that comparison photo (to allow for inaccuracy due to it just beign a photo and me using photoshop to check this stuff) the joycon are 95 mm wide. I would guess closer to 90 in reality, like 91 or 92.
The distance between the right side of that analog stick and the left side of the leftmost button is TEN MILLIMETERS. That's like the size of a pencil eraser and the metal on its side. It's less than the size of that entire GBA Micro's dpad width (And that much you can verify just by checking the picture yourself).
To say it's NES controller sized is monumentally wrong, this would be like if the NES controller had about 1/4 of its width shaved off, half of the height, and you stuck the analog stick where select is and the 4 buttons where start are.
My non-scientifically accurate quick MSpaint comparison, utilizing an NES:GBA micro pic and a joycon:GBA Micro pic. This one is obviously approximate but it's VERY close.
EDIT: WHoops, forgot I was the last poster sorry fam.
Art Vandilay
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This is my main concern.
Agree. I've seen the term "real controller" used several times recently. Man is that an annoying thing to say imo.
It's almost like people believe only adults are going to be using the Joycons individually. If I have a couple of kids do I buy a Switch which can be played on a tablet or on the TV by multiple people or a 3DS. Also as far as kids playing on the tablet - joycons would seem a lot more comfortable than holding the tablet.
all of them?
Jack The Nipper
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I doubt I'd want to use it alone very much. Was sad to see they made it more of the standard controller again supperclips was there best game imo and it wasn't using that stuff. Atleast not the core game. It gives me fear they will mess up again like star fox
I thought this motion stuff was over so it was just disappointing. I didn't mind Sony's efforts on it cause they didn't put motion only in gow or something
Basically just afraid of what they may do, I assume or think maybe they want to bring wii games over eventually but maybe not.
I thought this motion stuff was over so it was just disappointing. I didn't mind Sony's efforts on it cause they didn't put motion only in gow or something
Basically just afraid of what they may do, I assume or think maybe they want to bring wii games over eventually but maybe not.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Really? :-/
User Name Here
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Yeah, I pretty much like them for the same reasons. Although, i'm not likely picking up the switch.
The Joy-cons are one of my favorite things about the Switch. They're packed with really cool technology! The Wii remote and nunchuck is my favorite controller scheme, I love how I can rest or move my hands however I want and I really enjoy motion controls. The Joy-cons are pretty much a much more advanced Wii remote + Nunchuck hybrid which I love.
Why not? If they make a portable only version without dock it will need some form of control mechanism and the joycons allow dock purchases/tv play to work down the line if the consumer chooses.
I don't see the appeal of the Joy-Cons. It's a gutted controller for a full price.
I'll give you the gyro, but thats it.
It having no dpad or second analogue stick makes it unusable for a lot of games. In the end you can play some cheap minigame/multiplayer games with it and thats it. Like Fifa in grandpa-mode. But I was never a fan of motion control or say the Wiimote and I don't get the portable multiplayer aspect at all. So... I won't use it anyway. Good for people who plan to utilize them, bad for me who would prefer a Pro Controller and maybe some cheap built-in portable controlls without gimmicks in the package instead of the Joy-Cons.
I'll give you the gyro, but thats it.
It having no dpad or second analogue stick makes it unusable for a lot of games. In the end you can play some cheap minigame/multiplayer games with it and thats it. Like Fifa in grandpa-mode. But I was never a fan of motion control or say the Wiimote and I don't get the portable multiplayer aspect at all. So... I won't use it anyway. Good for people who plan to utilize them, bad for me who would prefer a Pro Controller and maybe some cheap built-in portable controlls without gimmicks in the package instead of the Joy-Cons.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
It sounds nice in theory, but I doubt many people will use them much. And I expect them to be the first victims of cost reduction, when a separate controller would achieve the same.
The system is called the Switch. What you envision is a console only w/controller which makes no sense, particularly for Japan where the system will likely sell the most and portability is the prime selling point.
Warablo
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I am talking control wise. Not comfort.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I thought "Switch" referred to the ability to play mobile and to dock to a TV. No reason why you couldn't do that with the controllers fixed to the screen and a separate controller if you don't want to hold it.
Switch refers to easily switching between TV and handheld play. What you are proposing is unwieldy. You also have to leave the Switch plugged into the dock to get better performance with the TV mode. The dock has increased cooling/power that lets the Switch run at higher speed/performance.
abstract alien
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That's what I tend to take from it.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Huh? Unwieldy? I'm not suggesting that the Switch has not controls attached, just that they're not detachable into joycons.
You want a switch without detachable controls that requires a pad for TV play? So you have to buy a separate controller if you want to switch between portable and TV?
A switch without detachable controls that plugs into a TV without a dock? (and runs at lower specs as a result)? So a cable between the pad and TV at all times?
I have no idea about the feel yet, but I am playing with the thought of buying another joycon once Mario Kart is out, to have instant 4 player abilities.
Works for other games too, like Tetris and Bomberman. I love having 2 controllers with the console in an instant. I don't really care about the motion controls and the ir sensor, but am excited for the HD rumble if it works.
In the end, Nintendo is ateast going the right way this time and enabling their motion heavy games like ARMS to be played without motion.
Works for other games too, like Tetris and Bomberman. I love having 2 controllers with the console in an instant. I don't really care about the motion controls and the ir sensor, but am excited for the HD rumble if it works.
In the end, Nintendo is ateast going the right way this time and enabling their motion heavy games like ARMS to be played without motion.
The fact that I can play MK8 with another person without any extra hardware anywhere is pretty dope I think.
Unfortunately it seems very expensive as a set even though its much more advanced than wiimote+nunchuck (which could be used by a single player compared to a set of joycons)
So if you put Wii into perspective it's about the same price.
Unfortunately it seems very expensive as a set even though its much more advanced than wiimote+nunchuck (which could be used by a single player compared to a set of joycons)
So if you put Wii into perspective it's about the same price.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Are you trying to make a simple concept sound complex on purpose?
Where did I say not to use a dock? Where did I say you couldn't use a wireless controller?
audio_delay
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Have you tried them at those local events? It is weird, it does not feel cramped. The layout makes the difference. And that is coming from someone that thinks that the DS3 is small.
Situation kind of reminds me when people made fun of touchscreen phones and now you cannot get a decent keypad phone anymore :/
I'm predict that the next dualshock will be similar. It might be bigger, but it will be detachable and feauture similar tech, which are great for VR, if sony wants to follow on supporting VR and traditional screen setup.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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No different than a wiimote nunckuk setup. It's a fine comfortable way of controlling a game. And you can easily charge them when you're done with your play session, plus they have good battery life anyway. It's a non issue.
You said you would have to buy another controller for TV play if "you don't want to hold it", it being this new Switch sku with controls fixed to the screen. This implies no dock is used which requires the switch to connect the TV in another fashion.