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[InsaneTiger]

Better cinematography - to be fair, this isn't saying much (have you seen a MCU movie?)

I agree with this though they have been getting better in some movies. GotG 1 and 2 were extremely vivid. I believe they are now using RED cameras now so it should get better.

But I would argue that, yes, Iron Man was B level before 2008 but he isn't now.

 

[Bronx-Man]

A good adaptation of the Shazam origin Geoff Johns made would be godlike to watch. Love that comic.

 

[IndoAssassin]

Bad DC movies have earned more than bad Marvel movies.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

DC has Batman, but ironically enough, Marvel put in the prep time to make their movies and universe work.

 

[Raziel]

How much money did the movie featuring the three biggest superheroes of all time make?

This thread told me Spider Man is the biggest.

 

[WatTsu]

They have Wonder Woman, and she counts for a lot. It's pretty ridiculous Marvel won't have a movie with a solo female lead until 2019.

(That said I generally prefer the MCU movies, but I really hope the DCEU stays on an upward swing from here. I love both universes and their characters.)

 

[EhoaVash]

Much better cinematography.

Vastly more interesting and memorable soundtracks.

Stories and themes that stray out of popcorn movie territory.

Not as infested with terrible jokes that break the mood.

Agree with this 100%

Also I'll add that the memorable villains in DC way out number Marvel.

I mean Batman's rouge gallery, Superman has lex, brainiac, bazarro, etc flash has reverseflash, green later senestro Corp, black Adam etc Such a long list of powerful good villains. Marvel only has Spiderman's sinister six really if only they had xmen :/

 

[y2dvd]

They can probably go R-rated with certain characters. MCU (excluding Netflix) won't ever touch that rating.

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

I thought the business of making money is always a competition. I know when I put mine's together I want to outdo every other motherfucker out there.

I don't see any advantages really other than the one you mentioned.

 

[ldcommando]

Gadot I guess

 

[Schweinehund]

Bad DC movies have earned more than bad Marvel movies.

That's true but DC has a lot of brand recognition while Marvel didn't when their universe launched (discounting Spider-man and X-men). I'm not even convinced a really good Captain Marvel movie would even do the numbers WW did.

I like that Marvel was forced to use their lesser known characters to launch their universe. Having seen homecoming, I would have preferred they didn't bump Panther back for it :/.

 

[DerekOfTheDykes]

Agree with this 100%

Also I'll add that the memorable villains in DC way out number Marvel.

I mean Batman's rouge gallery, Superman has lex, brainiac, bazarro, etc flash has reverseflash, green later senestro Corp, black Adam etc Such a long list of powerful good villains. Marvel only has Spiderman's sinister six really if only they had xmen :/

Lol wut

Trying to act like either company has a monopoly on the good villains is fucking absurd

Spidey, the X-Men, and the FF have legendarily good rogue's galleries, plus there are tons of good villains through the rest of the Marvel universe even discounting a lot of the big players already tapped for the MCU

This is blatant fanboyism

DC has great villains, Marvel has great villains, and you're going to have a soft spot for the company you grew up following more, it's pretty simple

 

[PudieRSC]

Lol wut

Trying to act like either company has a monopoly on the good villains is fucking absurd

Spidey, the X-Men, and the FF have legendarily good rogue's galleries, plus there are tons of good villains through the rest of the Marvel universe even discounting a lot of the big players already tapped for the MCU

This is blatant fanboyism

Spidey joined a dozen movies in and the other 2 aren't in the MCU at all, which is what this thread is discussing. If we're looking at what the DCU can use and what the MCU can use it's no contest.

 

[JayCB]

In his defence, DC already fudged up three of its most well known villains in Lex, Joker and Doomsday.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Access to all of their characters

That was my answer when I saw the thread title.

Too bad they often mishandle the execution of said properties.

 

[DerekOfTheDykes]

Spidey joined a dozen movies in and the other 2 aren't in the MCU at all, which is what this thread is discussing. If we're looking at what the DCU can use and what the MCU can use it's no contest.

First off, he actually counted Spidey and the X-Men himself in that comparison, so don't go moving his goalposts for him

Second, if all we wanna talk about is the movies then DC's big buildup is Steppenwolf at a comparitive time when Marvel had already pulled out Loki and Red Skull... and in the meantime since then Marvel has still picked great villains in the following films, just often not given them meaningful roles (which is different from not having great source villains to work with).

EDIT: And as someone else pointed out, DCEU already ruined Lex, Joker, and Doomsday, and even Steppenwolf ain't lookin' too hot visually at least. So once again, great on paper but trash in execution (well-done steak covered in ketchup analogy repeats)

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

In his defence, DC already fudged up three of its most well known villains in Lex, Joker and Doomsday.

Hard to argue with that, WB / DC really didn't do them justice in the DCEU.

 

[JayCB]

EDIT: And as someone else pointed out, DCEU already ruined Lex, Joker, and Doomsday, and even Steppenwolf ain't lookin' too hot visually at least. So once again, great on paper but trash in execution (well-done steak covered in ketchup analogy repeats)

Ares was rubbish also, I didn't mention him because I'm not sure how well known he'd be considered.

I will say, quite liked Zod mind.

Hard to argue with that, WB / DC really didn't do them justice in the DCEU.

I guess you could argue they'd have time to fix them, barring Doomsday who seems to be dead, but given the slate they've shown I'm not sure where Joker or Lex would even turn up and get enough attention to be fixed, if they even can be in this cinematic universe.

 

[Durrzerker]

An iconic female lead

 

[PudieRSC]

First off, he actually counted Spidey and the X-Men himself in that comparison, so don't go moving his goalposts for him

Second, if all we wanna talk about is the movies then DC's big buildup is Steppenwolf at a comparitive time when Marvel had already pulled out Loki and Red Skull... and in the meantime since then Marvel has still picked great villains in the following films, just often not given them meaningful roles (which is different from not having great source villains to work with).

EDIT: And as someone else pointed out, DCEU already ruined Lex, Joker, and Doomsday, and even Steppenwolf ain't lookin' too hot visually at least. So once again, great on paper but trash in execution (well-done steak covered in ketchup analogy repeats)

He said if only the MCU had the X-Men. They don't. He also didn't mention FF.

Even still, Loki and Red Skull are about the only memorable villains the MCU has had. Arguably Zemo too. Beyond that it's bad versions of the good guy. One of the biggest gripes you'll see against the MCU is their villain problem. (Though I personally loved what Iron Man did with The Mandarin)

Execution aside, if you compare the actual characters either company can use in their films right now DC easily has the advantage.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Lower expectations. If DC made a movie as good as Winter Soldier or GOTG it would be hailed as the next Dark Knight or even better.

The ability to take bigger risks which leads to shit like BvS and SS, could also lead to something great.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

So MCU has been killing it, with DC struggling to catch up, but are there any advantages the DCEU has over the MCU?

Well... off the top of my head... having the rights to all their characters certainly helps while Marvel can't use X-Men and Fantastic Four due to rights issues with 20th Century Fox while they couldn't use Spider-Man for a while. All of DC's rights are at Warner Bros.

DC was able to get the first female led superhero film out before Marvel and released to great reviews and box office.

But what else does the DCEU have going for it that they can use to get the advantage over the MCU if they play their cards right?

DC WB always have the potential to make a great movie or several and have in the past. Disney/marvel will never be able to. Disney will never make a Logan.

 

[Snarky(HEART)]

"More quotable dialogue"...


...idk about that.

The only DCEU lines I remember is because they aren't good.

"Do you bleed?"

"You know the oldest lie in America, senator?"

"Martha!"

"Should I have let him die?" "Maybe"

"I WILL FIND HIM"

"We're bad guys. It's what we do." (See: every line in Suicide Squad)

Wonder Woman nonwithstanding.

 

[JayCB]

He said if only the MCU had the X-Men. They don't. He also didn't mention FF.

Even still, Loki and Red Skull are about the only memorable villains the MCU has had. Arguably Zemo too. Beyond that it's bad versions of the good guy. One of the biggest gripes you'll see against the MCU is their villain problem. (Though I personally loved what Iron Man did with The Mandarin)

Execution aside, if you compare the actual characters either company can use in their films right now DC easily has the advantage.

Vulture was great and didn't have that problem, and I really liked Ego recently too. Another most people sleep on was the Winter Soldier also, he was a great villain. Obviously he didn't stay one so he never gets brought up in stuff like this, but he was intimidating as hell whenever he was on screen as a brainwashed assassin.

You are right though, Marvel's weak use of the villains is the biggest error they have had so far - wouldn't say it was that they have a weaker roster available to them however. Marvel excels at making lesser known characters beloved on screen, it's not going to matter the villain pools they draw from are more niché.

Lower expectations.

I laughed way more than I should've at this.

Then I got sad because it's true.

 

[Glass Rebel]

"More quotable dialogue"...


...idk about that.

The only DCEU lines I remember is because they aren't good.

"Do you bleed?"

"You know the oldest lie in America, senator?"

"Martha!"

"Should I have let him die?" "Maybe"

"I WILL FIND HIM"

"We're bad guys. It's what we do." (See: every line in Suicide Squad)

Wonder Woman nonwithstanding.

The DCEU depicts how the appearance of superheroes affects real people. Apparently one of the most notable and noticeable effects is linguistic degradation.

 

[PudieRSC]

Vulture was great and didn't have that problem, and I really liked Ego recently too. Another most people sleep on was the Winter Soldier also, he was a great villain. Obviously he didn't stay one so he never gets brought up in stuff like this, but he was intimidating as hell whenever he was on screen as a brainwashed assassin.

You are right though, Marvel's weak use of the villains is the biggest error they have had so far - wouldn't say it was that they have a weaker roster available to them however. Marvel excels at making lesser known characters beloved on screen, it's not going to matter the villain pools they draw from are more niché.

I actually haven't seen Homecoming yet, so I can't speak to that one. And you're right about Bucky as I didn't even think of him like that. Ego was enjoyable as well, though I'm not sure how memorable he'll be.

 

[AuthenticM]

Much better cinematography.

Vastly more interesting and memorable soundtracks.

Stories and themes that stray out of popcorn movie territory.

Not as infested with terrible jokes that break the mood.

Yeah, kind of what I was going to post.

 

[JayCB]

I actually haven't seen Homecoming yet, so I can't speak to that one. And you're right about Bucky as I didn't even think of him like that. Ego was enjoyable as well, though I'm not sure how memorable he'll be.

You probably have a point with Ego - I'm biased as a huge Kurt Russell fan I think, hah.

 

[LotusHD]

In his defence, DC already fudged up three of its most well known villains in Lex, Joker and Doomsday.

If Steppenwolf is great/memorable, I'll be very surprised. Feels like colossal threats that aim to take over/fuck up the world or whatever are always so underwhelming. Not to mention the likelihood of him being used to set up Darkseid doesn't inspire much confidence either. Thanos isn't immune to this worry of mine either, but at least it's been something they've gradually building towards for years now, so uhh, you'd hope they'd give it all they got.

 

[DMVfan123]

Access to all of their characters

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Bleepy..

 

[Error]

No advantages for me, really. I just like DC characters more than Marvel.

 

[JayCB]

If Steppenwolf is great/memorable, I'll be very surprised. Feels like colossal threats that aim to take over/fuck up the world or whatever are always so underwhelming. Not to mention the likelihood of him being used to set up Darkseid doesn't inspire much confidence either. Thanos isn't immune to this worry of mine either, but at least it's been something they've gradually building towards for years now, so uhh, you'd hope they'd give it all they got.

Obviously it's hard to get a grasp of how he'll be from the 3 seconds of Steppenwolf in the trailer, but yeah, given the track record and the troubled production I'm pretty cautious myself.

Thanos has had some build up here and there, I think Nebula has done the most to build him up as a huge asshole so far, but yeah, even that is a scary thing to pull off given all of the build up. I have alot of faith in the Russo's at least, and that one scene we've seen of him launching freaking planets at people is suitably bad ass.

 

[Oersted]

He said if only the MCU had the X-Men. They don't. He also didn't mention FF.

Even still, Loki and Red Skull are about the only memorable villains the MCU has had. Arguably Zemo too. Beyond that it's bad versions of the good guy. One of the biggest gripes you'll see against the MCU is their villain problem. (Though I personally loved what Iron Man did with The Mandarin)

Execution aside, if you compare the actual characters either company can use in their films right now DC easily has the advantage.

Calling Red Skull memorable is a bit of a stretch. Noone really cares about him.

I also think DCU already runs into the same issues as MCU with villains. First of all the obligatory allout third act where the baddie gets contractually defeated. Its mostly handled in anticlimatic fisticuffs. That shit rarely works. An ending like in Dark Knight works much better than the one in Dark Knight Returns.

The other problem is the Universe structure. A villain has to bite a bullet because the next movie has to introduce another one. They are more toys of the week, there isn't really a sense of accomplishment with no end in sight and a apparently endless supply of villains.

Where WB does have an advantage is that they can go violent/dark. That potentially helps selling the threat.

 

[bigboss370]

 

[PudieRSC]

 

[JayCB]

lol oh c'mon now, we're not doing this when Marvel's already has a moist shirtless Hemsworth on screen

 

[bigboss370]

i prefer the view

 

[Tonedeff]

The sense of power and speed DC gives to its heroes has always been appreciated. They just feel so God-like in comparison to the MCU heroes. A whole lot of everything else needs to be worked on though

 

[StarVigil]

Low expectations

 

[MHWilliams]

- Warner Bros retains the use of every DC Comics character.

- With their top tier Justice League-level characters, I have always maintained in the Box Office thread that Warner Bros' revenue ceiling is much higher than Marvel's. Marvel has made the Avengers and the Big Three marketable in the mainstream through sheer effort. All WB needed to do was make good films.

- While Snyder was onboard, WB had much better cinematography than the general MCU. Justice League is Snyder's last film for the foreseeable future, so I wouldn't hold that up as something WB can rely on the in future.

- The soundtracks are better.

All of WB's problems are self-inflicted. There doesn't feel like there's a concrete plan in place, Suicide Squad suffered from being rushed, and despite reaching for something strong thematically, BvS was poorly written and edited. Worse, across Luthor and Joker, two of the most iconic villains out there, WB has whiffed as hard as any Marvel film that you feel has a poor antagonist, while also forgetting to make heroes audiences want to root for.

Once they get a system down and start making more great films, I believe their box office will outstrip Marvel's.

Marvel has a system that will produce a solid film every time - leading some to believe they're similar films - but even then they break convention. Saying Guardians, Dr. Strange, and Winter Soldier are the same is like trying to say Batman v Superman and Wonder Woman are the same.

 

[Tetsujin_MK]

DC WB always have the potential to make a great movie or several and have in the past. Disney/marvel will never be able to. Disney will never make a Logan.

Disney do not make Marvel movies for one thing.

Also, Disney released plenty of R-rated movies through the Touchstone brand or subsidiaries. There's no family-friendly mandate under Disney ownership, contrary to popular belief. That's only for movies released directly under the Disney brand.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

Disney do not make Marvel movies for one thing.

Also, Disney released plenty of R-rated movies through the Touchstone brand or subsidiaries. There's no family-friendly mandate under Disney ownership, contrary to popular belief. That's only for movies released directly under the Disney brand.

Lol I am sorry but Disney makes star wars and Disney makes marvel movies and Disney makes pixar movies.

They make the final creative decisions and without their approval before and after it doesn't get made or released. Really just semantics at this point whenever someone brings this up.

Not sure what touchstone has to do with it, oh you thought when I said Logan I was talking about its rating, actually I was talking about a great movie with good story and writing that also wasn't color timed the same as xmen 1.

 

[modernmalady]

The sense of power and speed DC gives to its heroes has always been appreciated. They just feel so God-like in comparison to the MCU heroes. A whole lot of everything else needs to be worked on though

100% agree with this. Marvel needs to step it up when it comes to "hero shots." The closest they've gotten is Vision's birth, but I swear to god that every time a new hero is introduced they'll just add some musical flare, have the hero do a quick pose, and then someone says something like "wonder who that is"

I'll also say the cinematography of DC films are way better than Marvel's films.

First female led modern super hero film is a big get in my book as well.

 

[shaneo632]

I think it at least has more weight to it, so that's something.

 

[Discotheque]

They're a mess structurally but I think it's also a good thing too because with no Kevin Feige like role at that company (yet) it's allowed for something as vastly different from other comic cinematic universe movies like BvS to happen. Regardless of whether you think it's a piece of crap movie or not the way it presents itself was so far removed from what weve come to expect

I think out of either cinematic universe this one has the potential to knock out a movie on par with stuff like Logan, the dark knight and Spider-Man 2.

And that will prolly be Reeves Batman. As for the rest of the slate, eh neither mcu or dceu is that appealing to me outside of a couple upcoming movies (Black Panther, Aquaman, Batman).

One other advantage it has now tho is Wonder Woman. The last few years has had women action heroes start to trend and they put out that movie at exactly the right time during this zeitgeist

Also between the two snyder movies and WW they've done a better job of selling how powerful these characters are. It's weird because marvel has the hulk and he smashes the shit out of everything but yet it just doesn't look as powerful as some of the shit you see in the dceu so far.

 

[Tetsujin_MK]

Lol I am sorry but Disney makes star wars and Disney makes marvel movies and Disney makes pixar movies.

They make the final creative decisions and without their approval before and after it doesn't get made or released. Really just semantics at this point whenever someone brings this up.

Not sure what touchstone has to do with it, oh you thought when I said Logan I was talking about its rating, actually I was talking about a great movie with good story and writing that also wasn't color timed the same as xmen 1.

Disney is pretty hands-off, again contrary to popular belief. Each of these companies have their own creative teams and executives and make different decisions. It's not semantics, it's just people not understanding how it works.

 

[CaptainofIndustry]

Geoff Johns

 

[nomis]

An iconic female lead

brie larson is gonna slay

 

[onipex]

They have the advantage of not being as samey as MCU. Even when they do it wrong I still enjoy the ride. I still enjoy MCU but its very by the numbers at this point. I feel no hype for IW.