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are visual expectations for PS4/720 way off from reality ?
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pieatorium
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Zing lolrapid32.5 said:
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PortTwo said:
I'd say with console optimizations and its closed system, paired with a GTX580... That console would run Crysis 1 on Ultra with at the very least 2xAA at 60fps. Edit: At 1080p.
And Crysis on those settings I mentioned is (arguably) the best looking game out right now. Definitely a top 3. The AA would really help it feel like CG.
Edit: Now imagine that you scrap those 60fps for 30... And you can bring other games to an even higher quality.
Joseph Merrick
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the 8800GT cards were out before Crysis, think soles papillons sexuels said:
SneakyStephan
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Nirolak said:
A thousand intelligent people can repeat this a thousand times over and people will still refuse to understand this.
Not even going taking into account all the 'cheating' that has to be done with agressive LOD's (or photomode lod models in menus vs what you get ingame to bullshit people some more), bad draw distances/closed off areas that bring back memories of the psx era , low update rates on shadows , using sprites more and more, promising GI and day/night transitions but ending up with seperate day and night levels because half the environment shadows are baked etc...
If a pc exlusive title was made for a high end graphics card with what you mentioned and all the cheating I mentioned then people would have to pick their jaws up off the floor.
Too bad that designing a game like this always requires huge sacrifices in design (going off all the corridor games with areas seperated by a ton of load times and the illusion falls apart every time you take a closer look at things ingame.
I just finished playing some ghost of sparta on my psp and it shows what even that little machine is capable off when going all out on the optimising slash faux 'optimising' (everything mentioned above).
CountAntonius
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60fps at 720p>30fps at 1080p
If I had to choose...
If I had to choose...
DanielJr82
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I think we'll see larger games for sure. Graphics can stay the same, I think they're gorgeous now, but perhaps next gen we'll see 100+ square miles of open terrain in open world games and such.
rollingstart
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SneakyStephan said:
Isn't a goal for Frostbite 2 and Cryengine 3 to make some of those tasks easier?
At least I remember reading/watching an interview specially about the tools becoming more efficient in general.
LiquidMetal14
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I would take the equivalent of a 6970 or GTX580 with 1-2GB of RAM for a proper high res platform.
Metalmurphy
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Tenck said:
Do let me know what PC game looked like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJPnClZQTXc&hd=1
or this:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/a...rts-fight-night-round-3-20061016111558441.jpg
In 2001.
Or like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-sHalDn3UA&hd=1
In 2000
Don't even go launch, the consoles don't change spec, and the poster didn't specify launch.Metalmurphy said:
God of War 3 pretty much outclasses anything before Crysis I know of.
What's generally considered the best looking 360? Gears 2 I guess? I thought Alan Wake but I know it got massive GAF hate visually.
Metalmurphy
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StuBurns said:
I mentioned launch to put some perspective on the "beat them 5 years ago" comment. Such nonsense...
toastyToast
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2San said:
While it sure is purddy I'm sure Epic could get something that resembles that demo without such ridiculously high requirements. I think that demo ran on something like tri-SLI 580s ($1500 worth of video card).
A single card won't be doing that for at least 3 years and a console even longer since video cards are enormous radiators these days. A few of the effects demonstrated may be littered here and there but not the whole shebang.
SolarPowered
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Yes, people actually expect the new consoles to make the WiiU look as underpowered as the Wii. The only way that would happen is if the 720 or PS4 packed SLI/Crossfire configs of the highest caliber cards and Nintendo built a bottom of the barrel AMD/Nintendo GPU.
A 10X jump from where we are at is actually very doable for less than $400 in my opinion.
A 10X jump from where we are at is actually very doable for less than $400 in my opinion.
Expectations are way way off. Not because of graphical capability, but $$$. We've seen more than a handful of developers go bankrupt because a game didn't sell a million copies. We've seen a lot of small Japanese studios move towards handhelds and DD because they simply cant afford the development costs and mass production in the console scene. Can the industry afford even more exorbitant development costs?
We'll see a noticeable jump, but it wont be nearly as large as people are expecting.
We'll see a noticeable jump, but it wont be nearly as large as people are expecting.
SneakyStephan
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I'm guessing you are talking about the lighting and shadows with the global illumination from both engines?Linkzg said:
Well bf3 won't have day/night cycles despite them showing it off in the fb2 tech demos.
The only explenation for that that I can think of is that they have to precalculate most/many/part of the shadows in the mp maps of the console version (either baked into the textures for each map, or calculated during the loading time) to get it running at an acceptable framerate.
People see pretty shadows thinking yay lookit my old console still going strong, but in the end odds are that you miss out on seeing the sun set over kharkand and fighting on at night because of this.
I think the Graphics being done on a handheld (Vita) should remind people that Technology has moved a lot since the 360 was released & your minds can still be blown by the next gen consoles,
I'm thinking Sony will have a 32 SPU Cell with a 16 core GPU & it will blow away what you see on PC right now because no one is pushing high end PCs to the limit.
I'm thinking Sony will have a 32 SPU Cell with a 16 core GPU & it will blow away what you see on PC right now because no one is pushing high end PCs to the limit.
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StuBurns said:
In pure visual punch, GoW 3 still easily outclasses most PC games...the first 30 minutes blew me away more than Crysis actually. Its not just power, its what you do with it.
King Boo: Nintendo are obviously choosing a fairly low tech approach again if thats the case. 5870 will be about 5 years old by then. No chance the next gen systems won't be more powerful
Neither Sony or Microsoft is going to do it, but I still think the best solution to what a "next generation" could be, is not a whole new system. What I think should've happened is an upgrade to the current hardware, but not to the name or brand. Similar to how smart phones, and PCs get upgraded.
For example: we have the current model PS3 out there right now. Most games only support 720p while a select few support 1080p. There are limitations to the games because of the hardware, but what if there was a newer model PS3 that still used the same basic OS, and features, but had the extra hardware where developers could support the higher end features that the lower models of the PS3 could not.
Old model PS3: A PS3 game running on this model would support 720p only, some games only go up to 30 fps, and other technical limitations. You'd still get the same quality of game you expect from the PS3 after all these years, but like a low end PC, there are gonna be some compromises for newer titles.
New model PS3 I'd like to see: Developer can easily push 1080p, and/or 60 frames per second. Better textures, and just higher performance like a high end PC game. You could still play all your PS3 games on it, but some newer titles would have some bells and whistles that you would not be able to get out of the older PS3s. Developers could even patch older games to take advantage of this newer model.
This is just a fantasy of mine, one I would LOVE to see happen, because no one would be losing their current gen hardware unless they wanted to upgrade. They'd still get the latest games, and be able to play them, but if they wanted to best performance, they'd have to upgrade.
For example: we have the current model PS3 out there right now. Most games only support 720p while a select few support 1080p. There are limitations to the games because of the hardware, but what if there was a newer model PS3 that still used the same basic OS, and features, but had the extra hardware where developers could support the higher end features that the lower models of the PS3 could not.
Old model PS3: A PS3 game running on this model would support 720p only, some games only go up to 30 fps, and other technical limitations. You'd still get the same quality of game you expect from the PS3 after all these years, but like a low end PC, there are gonna be some compromises for newer titles.
New model PS3 I'd like to see: Developer can easily push 1080p, and/or 60 frames per second. Better textures, and just higher performance like a high end PC game. You could still play all your PS3 games on it, but some newer titles would have some bells and whistles that you would not be able to get out of the older PS3s. Developers could even patch older games to take advantage of this newer model.
This is just a fantasy of mine, one I would LOVE to see happen, because no one would be losing their current gen hardware unless they wanted to upgrade. They'd still get the latest games, and be able to play them, but if they wanted to best performance, they'd have to upgrade.
SolarPowered
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I meant to type 720 and PS4 lol.
All three of these consoles will be a lot closer than people expect when it comes down to it. Hell, any high end card from the R700 family can run all the same games that a GTX580(a 350 watt monster) does at 720p without problems. It'll hold just fine compared to a Wii that has crap shader performance/geometry/lighting compared to the HD consoles.
The WiiU is already nearly running the cryengine, it's running UE3, and it's using the engine made for Assassin's creed. It'll hold it's own no matter what any of us say at this point.saunderez said:
All three of these consoles will be a lot closer than people expect when it comes down to it. Hell, any high end card from the R700 family can run all the same games that a GTX580(a 350 watt monster) does at 720p without problems. It'll hold just fine compared to a Wii that has crap shader performance/geometry/lighting compared to the HD consoles.
Grampa Simpson
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I think that the next hardware generation (thank you Nintendo for finally joining this generation) starts in 2017. 2017 assuming that we see an 11nm lambda in 2015.
I think in the Wii U, Nintendo gave Sony and Microsoft what they needed to delay the Next Generation to 2017.
I wonder if we will see another generation at 4 or 6 nm in 2025.... I wonder if those will ever be suitable technologies.
I think in the Wii U, Nintendo gave Sony and Microsoft what they needed to delay the Next Generation to 2017.
I wonder if we will see another generation at 4 or 6 nm in 2025.... I wonder if those will ever be suitable technologies.
SneakyStephan
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Izayoi said:
Well the latter looks at least a full gen ahead of anything on consoles (if you take into account res and framerate) so getting that at 60fps 1080 p would be pretty good.
Chuck Norris
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Asset creation becomes smarter and more streamlined every year. Procedural technologies make it so developers don't have to go over every square inch of the land. And more powerful consoles will only make such technologies better
Plus an increase in power doesn't have to be met by an increase in quantity of asset creation. Simply an increase in the quality of the assets would be a huge boost
Games will be created to take advantage of the hardware either way
Plus an increase in power doesn't have to be met by an increase in quantity of asset creation. Simply an increase in the quality of the assets would be a huge boost
Games will be created to take advantage of the hardware either way
nelsonroyale
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Izayoi said:
Incredibly low expectations...crow will be served I think
Izayoi said:
you do know that even if the new consoles have the same specs as whatever PC you seen these 2 games running on the games will still look & run way better on the console because the dev can make the game to the specs of the console.
just try to play a game that look as good as Uncharted 3 on a PC with 256MB of main ram & a 500MHz GPU with 256MB of ram.
Phonomezer
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Izayoi said:
Ridiculous.