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StereoVsn
Gold Member
That's going to be way too expensive for the general audience.
memoryman3
Member
I don't get this. With credit cards, people can just buy gaming hardware using those. What's wrong with paying $100 monthly for 15 months for a device you will use for over 60 months.
MarV0
Member
Here is 20 instead:
Hollow Knight: Silksong
Schedule I
R.E.P.O
Slay the Spire 2
Abiotic Factor
Hades 2
Megabonk
PEAK
BAL x PIT
Windrose
Far Far West
Vampire Crawlers
Timberborn
Menace
Road to Vostok
Dispatch
Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
Subnautica 2
The Alters
Monster Train 2
Easiest list of I've ever done since I've played and thoroughly enjoyed all of these games and plenty more that I haven't played and didn't include.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
…. You have to be trolling, right?
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
One can hope.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
To think that Goldeneye was developed in about 2 and a half years with a 2m budget by around 12 people...
Where did it all turn to shit?
Where did it all turn to shit?
CentralScrutinizer
Member
Bad idea when these consumers are also putting weekly groceries on credit.
Literally the PS3 / 360 gen kicked this all off, the PS4 gen accelerated it, and then these studios did FUCK ALL to remedy it for the current gen.
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reinking
Gold Member
At most we are headed for a small market correction but a long way to go for market crash. I do believe as prices of hardware increase there will be a shift from high dollar consoles/gaming PC to an increase in mobile and low-end hardware. People will still play games, but they will play them on hardware they can afford or already have. Guessing based on nothing but my own ignorance, I see prices normalizing before I see a long-term market crash.
The Pleasure
Member
Asha is the Total Recall of reboots.
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
The further I get from it the more I realize what a special game Dispatch was.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Even the free trash is starting to fall off. Epic had to lay off a lot of people because Fartnite is losing money.
When that game is dying then what hope does anyone else have?
diffusionx
Gold Member
I don't think a $200 million budget is necessarily unsustainable. RDR2 had a budget of like $750 million and GTA6 is $2B. They'll be fine just for context.
What I do think is unsustainable is a $200 million budget for one game mode and four maps, or for a game that reuses content already made but is also so stupidly woke it turns off half the people who play it and it becomes a meme. It's like the flow of money because so huge that all sense of propriety and management was lost, and these devs have the game media "people" to defend them no matter what they do.
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Holammer
Member
This is OPNo, we're not going to have another video game crash. The first was a North American thing only and it happened because the money people thought video games was a passing fad.
Instead they screwed up so bad Japan ended up lording over the console market for two decades.
DreamcastSkies
Gold Member
Some say the crash is already here.
Instant_Classic
Junior Member
memoryman3
Member
No. That's just the reality of hardware. If you want something powerful and good you have to commit to it financially now. It's not that hard for a working adult in America to buy a $1000 or $2000 gaming device.
Modern PC games require at least 24GB RAM and a 1TB SSD for comfortable play. Soon we will be moving to ray tracing and that requires a certain level of computing power too.
Xbox Helix is a true next gen leap from Xbox Series and how much does it cost to build? At least a grand. People aren't going to want a gimped handheld like the PS6 Handheld to play their cinematic games on.
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Signalis
Gold Member
Game market only crashed in the USA. In Europe and everywhere else it was doing perfectly fine. America != World
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
GTA6 will be the final trigger.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
I like how we get this exact thread once a month
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
They released more games on the PS5 than Sony has in the last 12 months....so......
Sentenza
Member
We are arguably going through it right now, but it's not going to play out like some poeple imagine it.
The "game industry crash" doesn't mean we won't get good games, it means that some specific parts of the industry that grew bloated to the point of resembling metastatic tumors will basically self-select out of relevance.
Think of all the massive "triple A" projects that tanked miserably in recent times as a perfect example of the phenomenon.
The "game industry crash" doesn't mean we won't get good games, it means that some specific parts of the industry that grew bloated to the point of resembling metastatic tumors will basically self-select out of relevance.
Think of all the massive "triple A" projects that tanked miserably in recent times as a perfect example of the phenomenon.
Bernardougf
Member
Well for me the AAA western gaming industry has already crashed since I dont give a single fuck about them anymore ... and narrative western games were my shit ..
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
Ask China or South Korea if it's crashing.
It's sad, but we need to move development from under these woke western cities with high cost of living and move it to a place that it can be done cheaply and without political agenda, where only the merit of the product itself is considered and tough decisions are made that involve employees time. This will also remove any local politics from the game creating an agnostic game with fewer controversies. China also is not afraid of good looking characters who show skin. Quicker reaction time to community requests. Imagine the efficiency of AI + China making games.
It's sad, but we need to move development from under these woke western cities with high cost of living and move it to a place that it can be done cheaply and without political agenda, where only the merit of the product itself is considered and tough decisions are made that involve employees time. This will also remove any local politics from the game creating an agnostic game with fewer controversies. China also is not afraid of good looking characters who show skin. Quicker reaction time to community requests. Imagine the efficiency of AI + China making games.
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It's still the #1 played game last I checked. If that's dying then Asha is wishing Forza 6 ill health.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Tim Epic literally had to lay off a huge number of people and said explicitly that it's losing a lot of money.
A game can be both popular and dying, I am not sure why people can't reason that.
memoryman3
Member
You do realise that if Fortnite dies that's a big blow to the PlayStation ecosystem, right?
diffusionx
Gold Member
Great, forces Sony to stop relying on this crutch of Timbucks
Well if you want to define "dying" as you're still #1 but have less players than some peak number ~6 months ago then ok sure.
Fortnite losing money is like the millionaire losing money because he's spending more than he makes. So he lays off his credit cards because he hired too many of them. He was too optimistic about the income possibilities of future projects.
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ReyBrujo
Member
The 1983 crash was not because things were expensive, though. And didn't make games become "cheaper".
And in a way I think Nvidia would be pleased with a gaming industry crash, that would make them focus 100% on AI instead of having to still keep their gaming card business running.
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Sethbacca
Member
Are they actually losing money though, or are they just not seeing the growth they want. It's more often the case that they're only making tens of billions of dollars when they want to be making hundreds of billions of dollars. Layoffs become a convenient scapegoat for that. If they really cared about saving money they'd cut the parasites in the c suite.
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
For all but Nintendo.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Sethbacca
Member
Well the cash cow has to die someday. Though I still take anything these dudes say with massive piles of salt. Usually this shit is just cover for giving bonuses to the execs and an excuse to fire the workforce.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Maybe. I read somewhere that the player counts on this game are also down. COD was down big this year. A lot of live games have failed to launch to say the least.
I think it is an overall trend of people being sick of these types of games. It doesn't mean a lot of people don't play them. Just people are getting turned off in increasing numbers.
Shifty1897
Member
If all next gen game consoles went above $1000, I could see an industry crash. That isn't happening with the PS6 gen though.
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Walliwallipaloo
Member
Gee, with budgets in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and nothing to show for it but games that are actually worse by every metric than what we had a decade ago, how could this have happened?
I mean, the thing that gamers are most excited about right now - what's actually got some juice in their veins - is the announcement of an expansion for a game from more than ten years ago (an admittedly good game, but still).
"We ain't slippin', man, we've slipped."
Things were already dire when budgets spiraled out of control. Investor culture got addicted to the idea that more money = HUGE RETURNS, so that was busy destroying the industry while the DEI advisorship bullshit came in to deliver the Agent 47-style coup de grace.
I mean, the thing that gamers are most excited about right now - what's actually got some juice in their veins - is the announcement of an expansion for a game from more than ten years ago (an admittedly good game, but still).
"We ain't slippin', man, we've slipped."
Things were already dire when budgets spiraled out of control. Investor culture got addicted to the idea that more money = HUGE RETURNS, so that was busy destroying the industry while the DEI advisorship bullshit came in to deliver the Agent 47-style coup de grace.
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