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Are we looking back at the MCU with rose tinted glasses?
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I wouldn't even put Hulk in the "MCU" despite it supposedly being a part of it. Edward Norton and all that just... didn't pay off. They really should throw money at Joss and tell him he can take 2-4 years to make a solo Hulk film that softly gives an origin AND at the same time has that origin not be a focus of the main film plot.
Also while the initial "Phase 1" films may be "mediocre" they're farrrrr more watchable and enjoyable than the "DCEU" has been three movies in. Even Fox's X-men films (including X3) are more watchable than DC/WB's output. But the major issue is that DC isn't sure what it wants from these movies to give the audiences to set up a "tone" for the universe.
pretty much this.
Glass Rebel
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Is that also a world where the Rottenscore works differently than in ours?
DontBeThatGuy
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I'd be down for that.
Marvel has indeed released a lot of crap. You could say even say they've experienced the opposite of the Spider-Man 3 effect with Craptain America. People liked Winter Solider so much they have taken to retroactively re-consider The First Avenger as being some great movie.
Forgettable is the word that comes to my mind when I think about Mahvel's output, except for Avengers 1 (for when it came out, that is).
That said, nothing that Marvel has made has reached the hellish depths of BvS.
Forgettable is the word that comes to my mind when I think about Mahvel's output, except for Avengers 1 (for when it came out, that is).
That said, nothing that Marvel has made has reached the hellish depths of BvS.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Oh Jesus Christ. "Their feelings." Thor 2 is horrendous.
DontBeThatGuy
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The First Avenger is OK.
No.
What he said was writing the introduction to Ronan, Thanos, Rocket and Groot were the most difficult. He wanted Thanos in, but didn't want him to take away from the main villain, Ronan.
I think it's about time we dropped this whole "MCU stifles their directors" narrative so many have tried to push for so long.
Interviews ferom the directors themselves make it clear they get leeway to put their own touch on the movies they make.
WS and CW feel like Russo movies, GotG feels like a Gunn movie, A1 and 2 feel like Whedon movies, etc.
There's a vision and plotline for the direction of the franchise across all the movies that Feige has the final say in and the movies are expected to adhere to, but it's clear from listening to interviews from various MCU directors that how they get there is mostly up to them.
If there was no planning involved to connecting the cinematic universe it would all just be a mess.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Yeah this thread is like if DreamWorks fans constantly made Cars 2 threads and complained about Pixar's success
Cars 2
Thor 2
It's like poetry
Oh wait, DreamWorks has had good films actually, so equating them with WB/DC is still off lmfao
Cars 2
Thor 2
It's like poetry
Oh wait, DreamWorks has had good films actually, so equating them with WB/DC is still off lmfao
But I said The First Avenger was great when it came out... Some people might just really like the movie.
so true so true. Even Iron Man 2 was better than all of the DCEU movies. RDJ just has that charisma.
Captain America the first Avenger was a good movie. Chris Evans was awesome specially playing the weak looking kid to the awesome super solider. The movie had more heart and soul than all of the DCEU. Heck the grenade part of the movie sold it to me.
Its funny how people are trying to tear down the marvel movies because DC has terrible directors and writers.
DontBeThatGuy
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I enjoyed it at the time.
Thor 2 is trash.
I really wish I could be bothered to find the crazy shills that insisted it was some sort of amazing mix of Star Wars and LOTR back when it was released.
YesNOnoNOYes
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is your feelings hurt? :< sorry.
im a dc fan also. enjoyed bvs and mos. havent seen ss, but probably will, on tuesday.
incidentally, i also liked mcu
and sony
and fox
and sony
and fox
I like it quite a bit. Wish the movie got a bigger budget and there was more action with the Howling Commandos but overall I quite enjoyed it. It helps that I just love that period
Gordon Shumway
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lol..Damn, son.
DontBeThatGuy
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I like it more now than I did on release.
I believe it contributed to his change in worldview that impacted in AoU and then CW. He was previously another cool member from Avengers 1. But he became very much into proactive preemption via tinkering after the events in IM3. Hence his collaboration into Veronica project, AI and drones. His past demons from IM3 prologue ("we create our demons") was arguably cumulative with his Ultron guilt, thus leading to willingness for oversight.
Of course yeah, none of these are ultra necessary at all to advance the MCU overarching plot.
No.
Thor 1
Iron Man 1
Avengers 1
All helped raised the bar for superhero movies.
Even those that were less good like Norton's Hulk had excellent moments that hinted at what we could expect.
And as we progressed, Winter Solider and Civil War have proven super hero films can be legitimately great. Alongside films outside the franchise like TDK.
Thor 1
Iron Man 1
Avengers 1
All helped raised the bar for superhero movies.
Even those that were less good like Norton's Hulk had excellent moments that hinted at what we could expect.
And as we progressed, Winter Solider and Civil War have proven super hero films can be legitimately great. Alongside films outside the franchise like TDK.
Which makes their meetings all the more impactful, same as using lightsabers briefly in the original trilogy versus overusing them in the prequals, sometimes less is more.
TDK would still have gotten the praise if Ledger lived, just not the same attention.
None of the current Marvel films reach the level of Spider-man 1/2 or Blade. In fact, I'd only call Iron Man, The Avengers and Guardians genuinely good (haven't seen Civil War). The rest are mediocre or plain bad. The only thing Marvel gets right almost every time is the casting, which is why the team-up movies are so much better than the individual movies. As a whole the MCU is pretty average/below average. I'd rate it a 5/10.
TDLink
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No. Not at all. Go watch any MCU film. Any of them. They're all still enjoyable to watch. I'd say the only mediocre films are Iron Man 2, Thor 2, and Age of Ultron. That's three films out of 13 now. And even those three are still better watches than something like BvS.
Some of the earlier MCU movies like The First Avenger are flawed, yet still really good. I'd say every film from The Avengers on (with the two exceptions I mentioned) were a significant step up from the first round of films (and those still weren't bad) and they're all still enjoyable movies to watch on their own.
Some of the earlier MCU movies like The First Avenger are flawed, yet still really good. I'd say every film from The Avengers on (with the two exceptions I mentioned) were a significant step up from the first round of films (and those still weren't bad) and they're all still enjoyable movies to watch on their own.
Big Baybee
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Always get these threads after WB releases another bad movie lol. There are some forgettable Marvel movies like the Thor franchise, but for me they have never released anything as bad as MoS and BvS. Still plan on seeing SS despite the reviews because why not.
CassidyIzABeast
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Oh, in that just and fair world the rottenscore works perfectly. In this world, crazy shit like Bore The Dark World getting a 66% happens.
Long term planning is garbage? It's been going on for eight years with a string of ridiculously successful movies and we still aren't even at the end of it. It'll be ten years before the current storyline is wrapped up, and by that time the next phase will be starting.
I personally think Captain America was a better film than Iron Man. Evans is as well cast as RDJ, Johnston brought a nice vintage vibe a la Rocketeer, the special effects, especially making Evans look like a little guy, worked and weren't gratuitous. Weaving killed it as Red Skull and the supporting cast of Atwell, Cooper, Jones, and Stan all did such a good job that the three lesser knowns of the four have gone on to reprise and expand on those roles significantly. Also, a period piece was a unique challenge that they pretty well nailed.
Iron Man was an RDJ vehicle with mild contributions from Paltrow, Howard, and Bridges. It didnt spawn offshoots or set up for future films nearly as effectively as First Avenger. Did Winter Soldier overshadow it now in retrospect? Sure, but it was a good movie all on its own.
Also, while Hulk wasn't on par with what Marvel has done with man other franchises it was a solid stand alone work despite the Universal deal and Marvel. It yet understanding their own strength in casting, overshooting with Norton. It was also substantially better than all DC universe film or television efforts except Nolan Batman and laid the groundwork for the action scene viable CG hulk we've seen in the MCU since.
Iron Man was an RDJ vehicle with mild contributions from Paltrow, Howard, and Bridges. It didnt spawn offshoots or set up for future films nearly as effectively as First Avenger. Did Winter Soldier overshadow it now in retrospect? Sure, but it was a good movie all on its own.
Also, while Hulk wasn't on par with what Marvel has done with man other franchises it was a solid stand alone work despite the Universal deal and Marvel. It yet understanding their own strength in casting, overshooting with Norton. It was also substantially better than all DC universe film or television efforts except Nolan Batman and laid the groundwork for the action scene viable CG hulk we've seen in the MCU since.
Papacheeks
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I think what the op is not putting into consideration, is that even the lower scored MCU films convey their characters well. Incredible hulk is not perfect nor is it that great, but the characters, like Ross, Betty, DR. Samuel Stern are all well represented and acted for their comic counter part. Which to me is at the heart of every MCU film.
Maybe villains are their weakest link, but hulk in incredible hulk was good, so was stern, Ross. Same goes for iron man 2 Rhodes was great, pepper, Tony, and Justin hammer were all great besides the film being a let down.
That's what I get out of them when the movie itself is MEH. That's why DC is having a hard time. They can't nail their characters down which is the more important than universe building.
Maybe villains are their weakest link, but hulk in incredible hulk was good, so was stern, Ross. Same goes for iron man 2 Rhodes was great, pepper, Tony, and Justin hammer were all great besides the film being a let down.
That's what I get out of them when the movie itself is MEH. That's why DC is having a hard time. They can't nail their characters down which is the more important than universe building.
Glass Rebel
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Ah, pray tell, how is the rottenscore in this world broken? Just out of curiosity.
DeaconKnowledge
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I know Thor isn't really high on the list of "Good" MCU movies but I loved it. Loved that the movie was less focused on powers and more about the battle for a father's approval.
Nah.
Marvel's worst (ie. Thor 2, Iron Man 2, etc) are merely boring but at least they are always well-structured and have some memorable scenes or two for that rewind factor. I wish I can say the same thing about DCEU. It's a case study of why you should not rush everything head first.
Marvel's worst (ie. Thor 2, Iron Man 2, etc) are merely boring but at least they are always well-structured and have some memorable scenes or two for that rewind factor. I wish I can say the same thing about DCEU. It's a case study of why you should not rush everything head first.
Finaika
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Captain America was great at the beginning but becomes meh as it gets towards the end.
MrRudiMentary
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There are some hits and misses but they've never been worse than mediocre and the intertextuality of the films makes the whole series somewhat greater than the sum of its parts.
MarkMclovin
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How can you say all of the Marvel movies have been a commercial and critical success, only to then say they are mediocre?
And I totally don't understand the hate for Ironman 2. The movie was good.
And I liked how people all of a sudden started to like Cap1 after Winter Soldier. People here slated that movie putting it alongside, or even below, the Thor movies. LOL.
And I totally don't understand the hate for Ironman 2. The movie was good.
And I liked how people all of a sudden started to like Cap1 after Winter Soldier. People here slated that movie putting it alongside, or even below, the Thor movies. LOL.
Primethius
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The worst of Marvel movies are better then the turd that ended up being BvS. And MoS before that. And Green Lantern before that.
Papacheeks
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I would say the reason we both like those films are because of characters. Loki, Thor and Odin dynamic was the heart of that film.
DeaconKnowledge
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AoU totally fucked up Ultron. Ultron looked and acted WAY too human. Why are movie makers so afraid of scaring children? Should have looked like this:
tycoonheart
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Thor is seen as an average movie? I recently finally got around to watching it, and I thought it was BvsS levels of bad, maybe more so. It is downright woeful.
Not really. Cap 1 had a phenomenal start but seemed to have ran out of budget halfway through. Don't tell me that shitty mograph montage made the movie good.
Spyder_Monkey
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Is this another "Gaf downplays the success and quality of the MCU" thread?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Thor's a competently made movie with a coherent plot which automatically makes it better than BvS.
Gordon Shumway
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