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Are we underestimating Nintendo this year?
- Thread starter Kai
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Well, that would be at least an improvement over what we have now.
For a few months...and not by the time the games come out :/
I agree with this.
First of all, I'm skeptical of this magical lineup Wii U is supposed to have by the end of this year. They've admitted to development problems already, and with so much effort being put into saving the 3DS I just don't believe every game people believe is coming out this year is actually going to. I also wouldn't put it past Nintendo to continue their tradition of purposely delaying games to spread them throughout the year in an attempt to dull the sting of a software drought (and the Wii U is looking to have the worst software drought of any Nintendo home console to date).
Frankly, Nintendo has done absolutely nothing to deserve any good faith when it comes to the Wii U. The skeptics aren't wrong this time. Not by a long shot. Get the games out first, Ninty, then get back to me.
Starfish Hero
Member
This is a joke, right? Not the sales numbers, but that you think one year competing with the 360 and the PS3 is comparable to a full gen up against the PS2.
What are you talking about?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Well the Wii hardly received any support from 2010-2012. It would have also had a better chance to have the gamepad resonate with the tablet crowd. The Wii basically survived for 3-4 years as is, after that it was dead. I assume the Wii U will face the same situation of a 3-4 year lifespan before nintendo ignores it the last 1-2 years.
It´s not one year, more like 2-3 years minimum. 360 and PS3 are going to get supported with software for years to come and offer a better games library, online experience and probably price point .
Gonzo The Great
Banned
IF Nintendo manages to get stronger third party support for Wii U than Wii and keeps getting that Indie support (which technically is third party support) than I think the Wii U could survive a full 6 years before the Wii 3.
shinra-bansho
Member
Over- or under-estimation depends on what one's expectations are.
The late-adopter, at the tail-end of a seventh gen product curve, looking for a cheap HD console now, is not the same as the early-adopter looking for an upgrade from the PS3 or 360 they bought 7 or 8 years ago.
Your query assumes the Wii U will not be competing against the PS3 and 360 for as long as the latter are on the market, which is realistically another two or three years. Not a "full gen" but a large chunk of one depending upon how long the next cycle lasts.
Expect the PS3/360 will be getting cross gen games as well as BC (PS3) and the game lineup they got from the last 7-8 years, trust me.
PS3/360 are competing with the WiiU/PS4/720 for at least a few years (or when ever the WiiU/PS4/720 price gets a cheaper with more games and the PS3/360 stop getting games)
A lot of people don't have hope in Nintendo when it comes to the Wii U. A lot of my followers don't on Twitter at least... including Kagari. I remain hopeful though. There's a lot of games I know I'll enjoy from them. If I get more use out of my Wii U than my PS3 then it'll make it worth while. (That's not to say I haven't got a lot of use from my PS3, it's just lately I haven't been as everything else has been available for PC and have got those versions instead.)
Yep.
Not to mention how much having a thriving ecosystem changes the game. The PS360 late adopter might not be in the market for a PS4/Durango around launch, but they'll likely be locked into the ecosystem and their future purchase several years down the line secured.
It's a cycle I'm sure Sony and MS aren't going to complain about.
Chase Bones
Banned
Yeah it's a great list, if you're already a Nintendo fan. As someone who really isn't, whats exciting for me? whats exciting for those who didn't buy the Wii U? I mean no doubt you're going to pick up some of those with a new Mario, a new Zelda, and what not? Is that enough though? I mean you could have made this exact thread with pretty much this exact list of Wii U games about the Gamecube.
Yeah I mean I'm going to buy a Wii U eventually, but that's for stuff like Xenoblade 2/Spirtual Successor game and Bayo 2. Outside of those games, I mean what else do I have to look forward to. 101? Yeah, probably will be an ok game, but a game I could easily pass.
That's really the problem here. See PS4 and Next Xbox won't have this problem. Lets be honest, they have that meal ticket of showing exciting new and shinny graphics. The WiiU won't have that. It needs new exciting games and well honestly, this list does not cut it. It's a pretty average Nintendo list. Cool enough for those who love that stuff, but outside of that group?
Yeah I mean I'm going to buy a Wii U eventually, but that's for stuff like Xenoblade 2/Spirtual Successor game and Bayo 2. Outside of those games, I mean what else do I have to look forward to. 101? Yeah, probably will be an ok game, but a game I could easily pass.
That's really the problem here. See PS4 and Next Xbox won't have this problem. Lets be honest, they have that meal ticket of showing exciting new and shinny graphics. The WiiU won't have that. It needs new exciting games and well honestly, this list does not cut it. It's a pretty average Nintendo list. Cool enough for those who love that stuff, but outside of that group?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Indies aren't selling hardware. What reasons do third parties have to create a game for PC/NextBox/PS4 hardware which shares much of the same specs/architecture AND creating another version for the Wii U? We're talking about hardware that will have 8gb each (atleast) to the Wii U's 2GB. That is pretty damn significant.
Starfish Hero
Member
The 360 and PS3 will not be the Wii U's main competitors for more than a year. They're not even a PS2 level now, they definitely won't be once the 720 and PS4 pick up steam.
They'll be on the market still, but they won't really be competing. Kind of like the PSP to the 3DS now.
Aeriscloud
Banned
My babies, have all of them.
The next month or 2 might give us at least some idea as to that future. I wonder if they can anchor devs to the system by funding cross production products(like Smash or SMTxFE), or perhaps start publishing games from small/mid size developer houses shopping their wares. There's obviously some window of opportunity with ports of cross gen games that will be popular for the next year or so, but the WiiU would need to prove itself viable with not only hardware sales but software sales as well.
I feel like to some degree that Bayonetta might be of importance if they want to garner the right kind of crowd as far as game buyers are concerned. If they can get that game to sell well, relatively speaking, it might help make a case for ports or unique content. I think the inevitable problem is that people are not really going to buy ports on this system, be they current gen or next gen ports. It's likely going to need to be an exclusive to have some sort of chance of doing well, and I don't think many pubs are going to go for that idea without compensation from Nintendo.
GoofsterStud
Member
What's the point?
Wii-U lost.
The 3DS will rock.
What's to underestimate?
Wii-U lost.
The 3DS will rock.
What's to underestimate?
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
As of this point in time, pretty much all of the non-PC games I'm looking forward to are either on 3DS or Wii U. That's mostly because I have no idea what will be available for the PS4 at launch.
It's like you're channeling GAF.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Is releasing a new 3D Mario game what constitutes a great year?
It would probably be enough for me to pick up the console, because a quality Mario title is worth $400 to me.
But to mainstream consumers? The Galaxy series wasn't even near the Wii's biggest sellers, and wasn't the reason the Wii took off.
The rest of the lineup is completely barren, third party support is drying up mere months after the console's launch.
Things are extremely bleak for the system, and it's going to take more than just a few good Nintendo titles to turn it around.
It would probably be enough for me to pick up the console, because a quality Mario title is worth $400 to me.
But to mainstream consumers? The Galaxy series wasn't even near the Wii's biggest sellers, and wasn't the reason the Wii took off.
The rest of the lineup is completely barren, third party support is drying up mere months after the console's launch.
Things are extremely bleak for the system, and it's going to take more than just a few good Nintendo titles to turn it around.
Starfish Hero
Member
This time, two years ago, a good chunk of people thought the 3DS "lost".
Your comment was you think the Wii U will end up like the Wii the last 2 years, and I said if Nintendo manages to get big third party support as well as indie games than it won't be abandoned like the Wii was.
Barkley's Justice
Member
stop drawing.
Yes they will, it´s not like the WiiU has even the slightest chance to compete with what PS4 and 720 have to offer. Nintendo plays in a completely different ballpark.
Ps3 an 360 are much much more comparable to the WiiU in every single aspect and even they outclass it easily.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
I love the Galaxy games, but I've found they are pretty unapproachable to non "core" gamers. The walking upside down stuff throws a lot of people off.
Personally, I'm really hoping the next 3D Mario they do is more of a continuation to the Mario 64 style of gameplay. I want another game like that with big open areas. Something that's more of an adventure than a pure platformer.
Outtrigger888
Member
the advantage nintendo has is they are the only company left that is only about video games.
They'd be foolish to fade away.
They'd be foolish to fade away.
The WiiU will never have big 3rd party support, that ship has sailed a long time ago.
shinra-bansho
Member
I don't know what exactly that has to do with my comment. They aren't aimed at the same consumer.
A person who bought a PS3 or 360 7 years ago is not in the market for a PS3 or 360 this holiday. (Assuming their system is still functional.)
A person who's just now buying one of these systems for the back-catalog at a budget price is not the target for the PS4 and 720. They're the target for the PS4 and 720 in a few years time, when they are a lower price and have back-catalogs.
We had "cross gen" software between the PS2 and 360/PS3. But visual and other improvements as well as the promise of future software no longer possible on prior hardware provided incentive.
Also, assuming coherent networked services between new and old systems for each platform holder, an early adopting PS4 or XBOX next buyer can be confident that they can continue to game with their late adopting friends.
The PSP was certainly competitive with the 3DS, prior to the major price drop. Meanwhile, the PS3 and 360 flagship SKUs are yet to dip below $200. A $150 PS3 or 360 w/HDD or Kinect will compete very well against the Wii U.
Starfish Hero
Member
The Wii U will compete with the PS4 and 720, even if it's an unfavorable matchup. Who the hell will still be buying a 360 and PS3 in 2015 or beyond? They aren't the PS2: neither have that type of longevity.
And I'm going to go ahead and address that last line, just to tell you how absurd it is.
I think the fault in this logic is that you wouldn't argue that the wii was going up against the Xbox, GameCube and ps2.
GetemMa
Member
I'm getting 7 games for my WiiU this year and 6 for my 3DS so far. More could be added to either list depending on what's going to happen at E3.
I am only getting 2 for my 360, GTA V and Dark Souls 2. That probably won't change.
None for the next gen consoles as I won't be buying one until the next Spring at the earliest, maybe even after E3 2014.
I am only getting 2 for my 360, GTA V and Dark Souls 2. That probably won't change.
None for the next gen consoles as I won't be buying one until the next Spring at the earliest, maybe even after E3 2014.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
They would be competition as they are all in the same generation. And if your one to say power describes generation then in your mind also the Wii beat 2 consoles..a generation behind.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Yes. My question is WHY would big third parties support hardware that is SIGNFICANTLY different and underpowered compared to three other platforms? Third parties would have to basically create a completely new game for the Wii U just like they did for the Wii. No, not right now as we're still in the cross gen stage but once these pubs build their games with Ps4/Nextbox in mind the Wii U willbe in the same position as the Wii.
Also, in order to get third parties to notice you you must sell hardware. Indies aren't going to do that. Nintendo is fully dependent on its own games moving hardware. I just don't know how successful a new Mario will be in doing that.
I play Nintendo games for myself. I don't give a shit whether the system sells successfully or whether it's going to do miserable numbers for the holiday season against new consoles. Give me the Nintendo games that will eventuate and I will be happy. Anything else that comes out and attracts my eye is a bonus.
Everything else I want and need is available on a PC.
Everything else I want and need is available on a PC.
Mystic_Wanderer
Member
The gaming industry has EMPHATICALLY spoken - Wii U is not next gen.
Outtrigger888
Member
that ship only stays at port for 6 months, at most?
I guess Ouya, Project Shield and Gamestick are next gen systems aswell.
Probably software sales are more important, see the Wii for example. Great hardware sales, but had incredible difficulty moving software that was not first party or casual oriented. Obviously a certain amount of hardware will be needed, but if the system moves units without selling any 3rd party efforts, then 3rd parties are still going to avoid the WiiU.
D.Lo
Member
Yep.
It´s not a matchup at all. A person who is interested in a Porsche, Ferrari or BMW is not suddenly going to buy a Daihatsu just because.