karmaforgotme
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I mean it is called American Sniper. So its expected.
I actually love sniper books (Carlos Hathcock 'Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills' is my favorite), but this was neither a good book or a good movie.
I mean it is called American Sniper. So its expected.
If it's trying to make a larger point about one's country and ideals i'm open to it.
However, if it's an attempt to dramatize or propagandize events to make America look good without justification I have an issue with it.
While I haven't seen these movies bothersome films just from how they were trailered recently were those such as Deepwater Horizon, Secret Soldiers of Benghazi, and any sort of post 9/11 film which props up America and frames Muslims in a poor light.
They bother on a conceptual level as even if they turn out all right they attempt to propagandize history and people with the intent to mislead the public more often then not. They either ignore the facts or twist them.
Finally on a side note Merchants of Doubt is a fantastic watch on this sort of opinion manipulating.
Those are both terrible arguments. America IS one of the best countries precisely because people are allowed to shit on it without being jailed for it. People who complain about the USA's faults help make it a better place. Having a nation of patriots would mean a nation of blind zealots who seek no change or improvement.
So yeah, fuck patriotism of all kinds. We should care about people, not flags.
Those are both terrible arguments. America IS one of the best countries precisely because people are allowed to shit on it without being jailed for it. People who complain about the USA's faults help make it a better place. Having a nation of patriots would mean a nation of blind zealots who seek no change or improvement.
So yeah, fuck patriotism of all kinds. We should care about people, not flags.
Well at least you admit talking about movies that you haven't seen.
I am aware. I'm not saying that the USA is the best, nor that they're great just because of this; I mean that self criticism is a prerequisite to being a great country, and that patriotism is literally the opposite from that.You can do this in essentially every developed nation in the world
Yes the trailers are more what I find bothersome frequently. I'm aware Deepwater reviewed well, but the trailers for it originally did seem to be skating towards the patriotic direction. Realistically how many Americans who watch the trailer see the film? I would guess less than 1 in 4 except for the big blockbusters such as Star Wars and the like.
Similar for Benghazi even if you don't see the film the name itself says "Secret" and "Benghazi" then we paint this large dramatized struggle with American soldiers.
The trailers are what I meant to focus on by that comment about not having seen the films. Such is going to be the most common situation for anyone who has heard about it.
I can tell you that as a non-American, I roll my eyes every time I see a slo-mo american flag waving in a movie.
Canada's patriotism is locked in a small vial in the basement of a Bank of Montreal somewhere I think. Everyone gets a microdrop on Canada Day and back into the vault it goes.
I actually love sniper books (Carlos Hathcock 'Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills' is my favorite), but this was neither a good book or a good movie.
Huh? How was Deepwater Horizon skating towards a patriotic direction? Nothing that happens in the movie has anything do with America being best and whatnotYes the trailers are more what I find bothersome frequently. I'm aware Deepwater reviewed well, but the trailers for it originally did seem to be skating towards the patriotic direction. Realistically how many Americans who watch the trailer see the film? I would guess less than 1 in 4 except for the big blockbusters such as Star Wars and the like.
But the title 'Secret Soldiers of Benghazi' Was correct, they weren't even supposed to be there. I mean it is what it is, a small team of security personal saved many american lives that day. Should we not tell the story because its Americans rose up and saved lives? I get it, they included some Michael Bay patriotic crap (Like the Libyans shooting at the American Flag), But most of the movie was brutal street to street/soldier to soldier battle.
You can do this in essentially every developed nation in the world
I hate it all, no matter what country. I don't get it either.
How? Gotta love the country you live in.
They part of the US what you on about?
One can understand a country has deep flaws while still aspiring to the ideals of the place. There's a difference between "America #1!" and "cultural melting pot, a country built by immigrants, etc."Why?
Nationalism leads to jingoism.
Huh? How was Deepwater Horizon skating towards a patriotic direction? Nothing that happens in the movie has anything do with America being best and whatnot
Haha ahh yeah that's not what I'm saying at all. Is Terry Bolia a racist, sure, but Hulk Higan the character was not a racist, when he came down with that flag to the ring, shit man it made you feel good. I guess that's what it is, patriotism makes me feel good and proud and when used in film....it tugs on the heart strings. Then again it's aimed at Americans in the film's I think of.Nothing screams patriotism more then racist ass Hulk Hogan
You can criticize your country without shitting on it.
I can tell you that as a non-American, I roll my eyes every time I see a slo-mo american flag waving in a movie.
Canada's patriotism is locked in a small vial in the basement of a Bank of Montreal somewhere I think. Everyone gets a microdrop on Canada Day and back into the vault it goes.
Why?
Nationalism leads to jingoism.
Did you see Deepwater? What was so patriotic about that movie?Yes. I very much dislike all these Mark Wahlberg patriotism movies. Deepwater Horizon, Lone Survivor, Patriots Day. It's made me exhausted with him and the messaging. Same with some Clint Eastwood, like American Sniper.
Why?
Nationalism leads to jingoism.
Sometimes you have to shit on those flaws to a make it more apparent to the greater/nationwide community, we have many examples of this in the country's history.
Slavery didn't stop because people sat back and threw formal criticism at it.
Jim Crow laws and Segregation didn't stop because people sat back and threw formal criticism at it.
The Vietnam War didn't stop because people sat back, watched the televised war, and threw formal criticism at it.
Nixon didn't resign because people heard about Watergate, sat back, and threw formal criticism at him.
Clinton didn't get impeached because people heard about his affair, sat back, and threw formal criticism at him.
All these examples, most of which improved and/or changed America had the people outraged and worked to combat against. Shielding America as a "precious country undeserving of the super mean criticism" is doing a huge disservice to the country.
This is my feeliing as well. Kinda sucks, because it's a thing at my job.I have a problem with patriotism in general. It's super creepy.
Did you see Deepwater? What was so patriotic about that movie?
I just watched it a few days ago, and aside from a few shots of the flag, I don't remember anything overt or any plot points at all being about or revolving around America.
Patriotism can be done well it's when it becomes nationalism that a problem arises...I am aware. I'm not saying that the USA is the best, nor that they're great just because of this; I mean that self criticism is a prerequisite to being a great country, and that patriotism is literally the opposite from that.