If it doesn't look like meeting the target on kickstarter I certainly do hope they do back it to get it to the goal. Not like they haven't had a relationship with these guys before either since they also released Earthworm Jim 1 & 2 on the SNES.
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If it doesn't look like meeting the target on kickstarter I certainly do hope they do back it to get it to the goal. Not like they haven't had a relationship with these guys before either since they also released Earthworm Jim 1 & 2 on the SNES.
What's this about horrible homophobic d-bag?
Jinfash
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Share the juicy gossip pls
Herbspiceguy
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Interesting that Nintendo decided to contact them this late, when it looks like the Kickstarter won't succeed. I hope there's more to it, would seem like a great addition for the Wii U.
Vermillion
Banned
Do elucidate.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
That sounds like him defending his homophobia not spewing it. I need something juicier.
http://gaygamer.net/2011/05/on_ratfist_doug_tennapel_and_w.html
(Not even sure how accurate the whole conversation is.)
Spewing like a sperm whale. It's like every argument I hear against gay marriage gets more and more nonsensical. In a way I feel bad for this guy. He's obviously sick in the head and I hope he gets his issues sorted out sooner than later.
careless mango
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"Doug TenNapel is a homophobe, I can't back this project!"
You're backing a game he and a team are creating, not endorsing his beliefs. It's perfectly okay to be both excited for this game while still disagreeing with one of the creators personal beliefs so I'm not sure that's really relevant here.
I can't say 'we both have a point of view' and call it even and leave it there, sorry, not on this topic. this mindset is very harmful to people, prejudice is very harmful to people, not having equal rights is very harmful to people, and there are many kids and young adults who are gay who are having a hell of a shitty time. we can agree to disagree on fiscal policy or what kind of car is better, we can't agree to disagree on something like this, where religious people are running around telling people there's something wrong with them.
As a straight man, if some douchebag told me I was sick or broken or choosing a horrible lifestyle because I wanted to marry the woman I loved, I'd tell them FUCK YOU, go to hell, get the fuck out of my life, much less give money to anything they're involved with.
I have no knowledge of whether that's true or not, but I actually wouldn't listen to music by guys who beat up women, even if they are the beatles. You joke, but that sounds about right to me. Similarly to how I'd never watch a roman polanski film knowing that he raped a 13 year old girl.
I'm not going to support the works of monsters.
Oh man, I hope even if it doesn't make its stretch goal that Nintendo will publish it or something 
Yup. Doug TenNapel is an asshole with his beliefs, but provided he is not using any money from the project to fund anti-LGBT rights campaigns or any other negative thing, and provided it doesn't seep into his work (it seeps into his most personal individual work, but not the stuff he's done with big teams) it doesn't matter to me what the guy said... I can separate the art from the artist, like most things, as long as the artist is not actively out there making life hard for people with the $$.
"Doug TenNapel is a homophobe, I can't back this project!"
Yup. Doug TenNapel is an asshole with his beliefs, but provided he is not using any money from the project to fund anti-LGBT rights campaigns or any other negative thing, and provided it doesn't seep into his work (it seeps into his most personal individual work, but not the stuff he's done with big teams) it doesn't matter to me what the guy said... I can separate the art from the artist, like most things, as long as the artist is not actively out there making life hard for people with the $$.
I think people keep leaving that tier and upping to another. It keeps saying it is full, and then I hear someone such as you say that you were the last.
careless mango
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Oh man, I hope even if it doesn't make its stretch goal that Nintendo will publish it or something
Yup. Doug TenNapel is an asshole with his beliefs, but provided he is not using any money from the project to fund anti-LGBT rights campaigns or any other negative thing, and provided it doesn't seep into his work (it seeps into his most personal individual work, but not the stuff he's done with big teams) it doesn't matter to me what the guy said... I can separate the art from the artist, like most things, as long as the artist is not actively out there making life hard for people with the $$.
Yeah my thoughts too. I like listening to (for example) John Mayer's music so I don't really care that he's a scumbag.
EDIT: Nice to see more backers come in, this project really needs to make it!
Oh man, I hope even if it doesn't make its stretch goal that Nintendo will publish it or something
Can they swoop in at the end and pick up the remaining tab or something?
tkscz
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This totally has to do with the game /sarcasm.
Seriously, we get it. You don't agree with his views, and neither do I, but that doesn't mean I don't like his work. EWJ and Neverhood were awesome. I liked Ratfist, cat scratch and some of his other books. His personal views and his work tend to be separate for the most part and a good game shouldn't be killed off because of one of the creators views.
250,000 with 3 days to go? Wow, I hope you're right
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained/#chart-daily
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/sp...ure-by-the-creators-of-space-que/#chart-daily
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1878147873/hero-u-rogue-to-redemption/#chart-daily
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1857884659/distance-a-next-generation-arcade-racer/#chart-daily
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1473965863/sui-generis/#chart-daily
Damn, the last three days of all those kickstarters seem positively stacked with supporters. Nice. Here's crossing fingers *hope*
Yeah, I commented in ithe "offcial" thread, I'm worried but I have seen bigger jumps so it´s doable. But they really need to push it. The Wii U things is nice because it will get a bit of more coverage.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Well, this is the announcement I was waiting for. With this news, I'm gonna take the plunge on my first Kickstarter and at a fairly high donation. Doug TenNapel is too great not to support and Armikrog is exactly the sort of title I want to find a good home on the eShop.
Hope they can make their goal.
Hope they can make their goal.
250,000 with 3 days to go? Wow, I hope you're right
Didn't the Republique Kickstarter obtain the last half of its funding during its final three days? Hell, I remember that KS was far off from its mark, and suddenly those last two days were phenomenal.
It isn't over until the fat lady sings and have a heart attack on stage.
meltingparappa
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Looks like you really HAVE TO burn those Beatle records then.
If you take a hardline in regards to someone's personal life, you probably should boycott 99% of project in show business because I'm sure someone among the dozens or hundreds involved in almost every single production has an unsavory opinion or has done something terrible at one point in their lives.
If you watch football, would you stop watching the entire sport because of how Michael Vick's dog fighting scandal was hand waved away?
Is it impossible for a person, with all of their baggage and views that will hopefully slow change over the course of time, to leave a piece of art in the world that can be appreciated on just its own merits?
That being said, Bob Mackey, cool guy extraordinaire, wrote an article about artists and their work and how it pertains to their role in group collaborations. It's definitely worth a read as it starts from this very kickstarter and talks about other examples within the games industry.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Oh great. I had no idea about any of this. It's really too bad. He's created some things that have given me huge amounts of fun and joy, and his sense of humor jives so well with mine. Now, I am questioning whether I really want to pledge.
So punish everyone else on the team working on this game because of one guy's beliefs.
Yeah, Doug TeNapel's viewpoint on gay rights is very disappointing, but not one of the projects he's worked on that I enjoy seems to be in any way anti-gay propaganda, and there are lots of other good quality people working on this game who I would DEFINITELY support with money, if I had the moolah. Doug, to his credit, seems very able to separate his work from his real life principles.
People complain about people leaving Wii U out, well time to put your money where your mouth is or come up with lame excuses because the next time a dev thinks about adding Wii U to their kickstarter they will look at this one.
They have gone out of their way to map out gamepad features instead of making this a random port also
They have gone out of their way to map out gamepad features instead of making this a random port also
That's a terribly written hit-piece full of gossip, inaccuracies, and no sourcing whatsoever. Lennon was no saint, sure, but that article contains almost no accuracy on any of its inflammatory bullet points.
tkscz
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Like he said, none of his views are in this game, they aren't in his books either (at least the ones I've read). His beliefs don't affect this game, so it really shouldn't matter.
As an American, a huge portion of my taxes go toward funding military operations that I vehemently oppose. Just by existing we are all implicitly involved with allowing something disagreeable to exist. The best we can do is make small conscious decisions that jive with our perception of a better world. If by not funding this game you are choosing not to fund something you see as heinous, I totally support that.
The people who demand that someone has to relinquish all ties of support with any one thing in order to have some sort of cohesive moral code are black and white thinkers.
As has been said before in here, I hope you are prepared to never watch a movie or listen to a song or buy something at the store because I can guarantee you that someone working on that film, music production, product , service has an opinion on something that goes against something you believe in or does something against something that you believe in and sometimes you extremes.
This is part of that while freedom of speech and belief that people seem so happy about when it works for them.
This person keeps his views separate, someone else felt the need to bring them into the situation.
Now yes you have the right as a consumer to not support someone who believes differently than you do, even if that belief is ignorant but from what I have seen here he has not been anywhere trying to soapbox anywhere or push his views and the only example I have seen was him trying to defend his (backward) views.
Again this is not about him, it is a group of people working on a game as a team.
Doesn't affect Earthworm Jim ( in his countless appearances from animated tv to toys to games, etc) nor does it affect Neverhood and it doesn't affect Armikrog either.
If everyone in the world chose to not get something because they didnt agree with what a member on the team said or did somewhere no-one would be able to get anything.
Do you avoid supporting a game because one person on a team of multiple people has beliefs that you dont support? You are punishing everyone else for something they did not do.
The point was that black and white thinking doesn't solve anything. If someone chooses not to support something because of one's beliefs I believe that's entirely justified and not hypocritical. None of us can possible lead perfect lives, but making small efforts here and there shouldn't be held up to derision, i.e., "Oh you're not supporting this well you better not support anything because everything is evil!" Just, no.
You completely ignored what I was getting at. By not supporting this game because of one person, you are punishing other people that had nothing to do with what you disagree about. What sort of rationality is that? Why punish the other developers of this game?
That's the difference between knowing and not knowing. It's best to keep your personal beliefs to yourself when you're trying to sell a product. He has the right to not support gay marriage, but expressing it in a public setting leaves him open to the repercussions.
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