OrbitalBeard
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Arms Review Thread
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Definitely a good thing you talked about this game, instead of Titanfall 1!
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
They will. That shouldn't be up for debate.
It's not like the promised story mode and DLC characters were released within the year or anything. Nope.
I don't blame anyone for knocking a multiplayer-focused game for having mediocre SP content. But at the same time, it's hard to imagine why someone would want to get this if they're not into the multiplayer aspects first and foremost.
It's pretty damn fun. However, the longevity is the real issue I suppose.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Seems to be about what I expected, review-wise. I didn't particularly enjoy the beta test thing (fuck those 1v1v1 matchups), so definitely won't be picking it up at full price.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Yo OP, you gonna a update the thread or what? It's missing a ton of reviews
Majmun
Member
SFV's received the content within the year...
Both games have great gameplay, but lack content during launch.
The presentation is nice, but the dialogues and also the behavior of several characters ...terrible. just terrible. If this is enough to get compliments for a story mode...I don't know, pretty underwhelming but at least nice to look at.
A different Ars author posted a companion piece to the review. : Strong Arms: Brutally hard game feels more like the Nintendo I used to know
It includes this wonderful quote.
It includes this wonderful quote.
I don't think this is another Splatoon situation at all. Splatoon at least had a very interesting and fun single player mode with some kind of story, where it was lacking was in the maps and modes department. ARMS however has a weak single player but a really strong multiplayer at launch, we already know all the DLC is going to be multiplayer focused so it cannot really fix the core problem of a weak single player.
DecoReturns
Member
I expect the sequel to get more single player stuff.
This Reminds me of the first smash game.
This Reminds me of the first smash game.
EatinOlives
Member
I'll wait to see how the game ends up looking post-patches.
About that:
I've got an eye appointment in a bit, so I'll be out and won't update the thread until I'm back. If that's an issue, I apologize, someone else can pick up where I left off. If that annoys some of you, I'm sorry and
Magic Mushroom
Member
Day 1 for me. Loved the Testpunch.
Not a chance. Andre of GameXplain has been a massive advocate of the motion controls, and even he said in his review that he ultimately had to change to pro controller to stay competitive online. They just aren't precise enough.
The single player content draws from multiplayer assets though.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I absolutely adored Splatoon's single player mode, but I do wonder how much it contributed to its overall success. It probably helped the game build early momentum, at the very least.
It's probably best not to compare Arms to Overwatch in any way. OW is one of the best and most competitive team online shooters of all time. The amount of strategy and gameplay that goes into each match is pretty insane.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
I think the real longevity this game offers is challenging the players, with how deep do they want to go with the mechanics. Because we and likely even the reviewers have only gotten a slight taste of what this game truly offers in it's roster/arms/stage combinations.
Strategies for serious players haven't surfaced yet.
Strategies for serious players haven't surfaced yet.
KingHippo1967
Member
Seen a lot of people suggesting there may not be a lot of content there for single-player gamers.
For what it's worth I've played it and there's a lot there to keep me busy.
Grand Prix mode: every fighter gets a trophy next to them when you win it, and each difficulty has its own (stackable) trophy too, meaning to 100% that you need to win Grand Prix on Level 7 with all 10 fighters.
Given that starting from scratch (with no experience) I beat a Lv 4 Grand Prix in about 45 mins I'm estimating around 10hrs to pull this off.
You've then got the matter of unlocking every arm for every character. There are 30 unlocked at first (three for each character) and 300 in total (you unlock every other character's arms, so 30 arms x 10 characters). Completing Grand Prix mode gives you enough coins to unlock 5 or 6 of these each time.
Finally, 1-on-100 mode, which is deceivingly difficult, is separate for each character, and each character needs to unlock every stage by scoring 100 on each.
So that's:
10 x Level 7 Grand Prix trophies
300 arms to unlock
100 x 1-on-100 matches to complete (10 for each character)
Dunno what other reviews are saying but that's going to keep me busy for a hell of a long time without having to touch online, and that's before any new characters are added.
My review:
https://tiredoldhack.com/2017/06/07/arms-switch-review/
For what it's worth I've played it and there's a lot there to keep me busy.
Grand Prix mode: every fighter gets a trophy next to them when you win it, and each difficulty has its own (stackable) trophy too, meaning to 100% that you need to win Grand Prix on Level 7 with all 10 fighters.
Given that starting from scratch (with no experience) I beat a Lv 4 Grand Prix in about 45 mins I'm estimating around 10hrs to pull this off.
You've then got the matter of unlocking every arm for every character. There are 30 unlocked at first (three for each character) and 300 in total (you unlock every other character's arms, so 30 arms x 10 characters). Completing Grand Prix mode gives you enough coins to unlock 5 or 6 of these each time.
Finally, 1-on-100 mode, which is deceivingly difficult, is separate for each character, and each character needs to unlock every stage by scoring 100 on each.
So that's:
10 x Level 7 Grand Prix trophies
300 arms to unlock
100 x 1-on-100 matches to complete (10 for each character)
Dunno what other reviews are saying but that's going to keep me busy for a hell of a long time without having to touch online, and that's before any new characters are added.
My review:
https://tiredoldhack.com/2017/06/07/arms-switch-review/
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I mean yeah, Titanfall 1 got plenty of shit for being low on content. Something that completely gets hand waved away as a criticism for Splatoon a lot of the time.
Respawn course corrected and put out a sequel with plenty of content at launch and a bunch of free DLC. Whereas Nintendo seems to be doubling down.
No, you asked me for a game to compare it to. You didn't say anything in your post about failing.
Can't tell if serious because those are really shitty names.
Making a good name is harder than it looks lol
OrbitalBeard
Member
If we're going to compare Titanfall 1 to Titanfall 2, I think we should compare Splatoon 1 to Splatoon 2. We really don't know how much content that game is going to launch with.
Yeah, it's not even close.
Yes but reviews i have read and watched say the single player itself is just not very exciting at all. That cannot be fixed with DLC we know is coming.
You said:
Why would you think I was asking for a successful game? I may have misspoke a little, but I edited my post to reflect that. You were trying to discredit the fact that Splatoon's model is a grounds for success by saying there are counterexamples, so what are those counterexamplels?
Usually when people talk about single player content they mean story mode, modes that don't involve just playing rote AI matches over and over, progression, etc.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Why would they make a thread then?!
No one else offered to.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
It's the same business model from the same company.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
It was only 3 minutes after embargo. Someone else would have
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Didn't SFV have just VS and Online at launch? Arms has way more than that.
Nobody else was.
Kudo
Member
For people about lack of content:
https://youtu.be/hY2_Xu3f8Bc?t=1092
https://youtu.be/hY2_Xu3f8Bc?t=1092
OrbitalBeard
Member
Sure, but I still don't think the comparison is totally apt. If Splatoon 2 launches with a similar level of content as the first, you have a fair point (and the game will still sell like crazy, regardless).
I would also argue that ARMS has more content than Splatoon did at launch, but that's another conversation.
Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, there is a progression system in ARMS. There's a total of 30 available ARMS in total and each character starts with just three. You earn points through playing the game to unlock more arms and it's independent for each character. Also you can get up to one level of power up from getting duplicates that add damage to your arms and you can use them in ranked.
Basically that means you have 27 arms x 10 characters x 2 = 540 arms to fully collect! And more to come with free updates!
Hey, maybe people do like that kind of content.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
I think what Nintendo wants Splatoon and ARMS to do is break people away from just playing solo. If anything, it's blatantly obvious.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
A counter example to why I think Splatoons method of release is bad wouldn't be a game that did poorly. That wouldn't prove my point at all. If I'm saying that the method Nintendo uses is bad, the counter example would be something successful that uses the standard method of release and still keeps an active player base.
My point wasn't that Splatoon wasn't successful. It's that the release method was unrelated to it's success. The game would have kept it's momentum regardless of when the maps are released because it's an engaging game. We have proof of that by looking at the many many online games who release a full package at launch and still keep their player base up without drip feeding them content every month.
KingHippo1967
Member
Isn't that the exception rather than the norm when dealing with a one-on-one fighting game though?
Everyone's hip. Slightly disappointed though with it seemingly being a likelihood that we won't get new modes as well.
ZiggyPalffyLA
Member
I assume you're joking because those names are awful, but ARMS is a fantastic name. It's short, easy to say, and gets the point across. It also works well as a double entendre.
FlaygletheBagel
Banned
Good to see Arms getting some decent reviews, but I think I'll sit this one out for now. I enjoyed the Test Punch a lot, but the lack of modes makes it a tough sell for $60. I'll be saving up for Splatoon 2 next month instead!
casey_contra
Member
I'm excited to find out more about the boss(es). Is Hedlok the only one - the one that was seen at the end of the trailer? Or is there another? Are they playable?
So exciting.
So exciting.
Pleasantly surprised by Splatoon, and now ARMS from underwhelming first reveals to release. Reviews suggest it's a great game that's a bit content-light, which matches up to the gameplay experience I had across all those Testpunches.
If we're doing free DLC though, can we whip up a proper story mode please? Lol.
If we're doing free DLC though, can we whip up a proper story mode please? Lol.
xxbrothawizxx63
Member
I get that, and I'm sure many reviewers took that into account. Still, the game doesn't exist in a vacuum. While it may be the only quality title in the genre on the system at the moment, that could change.
At the same time, Kid Icarus: Uprising might as well have been a new IP, but that didn't stop Sakurai and Sora from releasing one of the most content complete games Nintendo ever produced. It could have been done.
If anything, I wish Nintendo was able to find a unique way to adapt their design philosophies and reluctance to dive head first into the character driven story telling and campaigns that are common today (probably for the better in terms of wide appeal) to the Arms gameplay formula like they were able to with Splatoon.
Maybe on the next go around.
SFV had Character Stories & Survival on Day 1, too.