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Arms Review Thread
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Copper
Member
It is when you are talking about Nintendo as of late.
I like how lot of these reviews complain about a lack of depth yet fail to mention some of the more complex moments and skills in the game.
R
Rodin
Unconfirmed Member
10/10 by cheat code central
9/10 from spaziogames
Most reviews giving low scores are complaining about the lack of modes, not gameplay. And considering that the former will be addressed in the next few months, sounds like people are describing a pretty damn solid game, not an "extremely average" (lol) one.
http://www.cheatcc.com/switch/rev/armsreview.html
9/10 from spaziogames
http://www.spaziogames.it/recensioni_videogiochi/console_nintendo_switch/20920/arms
Most reviews giving low scores are complaining about the lack of modes, not gameplay. And considering that the former will be addressed in the next few months, sounds like people are describing a pretty damn solid game, not an "extremely average" (lol) one.
boiled goose
good with gravy
This is a very MK8 style package. solid and fun foundation but nothing around it.
I think Splatoon is a good comparison point, particularly as they seem to be following similar paths.
Review Splatoon now versus when it launched and you can see the parallels.
Think this will be worth the investment. Nintendo rarely makes new IP it doesn't believe will last.
Also note the "story" in splatoon came in unexpected ways and is continuing to. Overwatch has unexpected story as well. Think this will be a trend.
Finally, I feel like alt control schemes that are new always get a -1/-2 point average. It makes sense. These are gamers reviewing this stuff. We're used to buttons and a "2d" control mechanism where all the buttons/sticks are on the same plane. Motion tends to scramble reviewers brains a bit because it's much more personal and subjective.
Review Splatoon now versus when it launched and you can see the parallels.
Think this will be worth the investment. Nintendo rarely makes new IP it doesn't believe will last.
Also note the "story" in splatoon came in unexpected ways and is continuing to. Overwatch has unexpected story as well. Think this will be a trend.
Finally, I feel like alt control schemes that are new always get a -1/-2 point average. It makes sense. These are gamers reviewing this stuff. We're used to buttons and a "2d" control mechanism where all the buttons/sticks are on the same plane. Motion tends to scramble reviewers brains a bit because it's much more personal and subjective.
As far as responses to obvious drive-by posts go this is 10/10
A huge portion of reviewers don't play competitive fighting games or even competitive games in general the same way the intended target audience does. Why do you think the FGC never gives a shit when a fighting game embargo is lifted? It's why NetherRealm are critical darlings in the genre because they fluff up the game for people with only passive interest in the genre.
Now obviously ARMS is less dedicated to a hardcore audience so it's lack of content stands are more of a problem here than something like Street Fighter would have to deal with but I still got the Splatoon effect from the Testpunch where the core of the game is super solid and structured enough that I'm comfortable playing until updates drop.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Being on a hot new platform should help noost the game to Splatoon sales figures too. Plus word of mouth on the fun factor.
On one hand:
-Don't like how the gameplay looks in trailers at all
-Don't like the lack of singleplayer
-Needed the reviews to blow me away and they haven't
On the other hand:
-Nintendo almost never botches core game design and this team made MK8 - a masterpiece
-I haven't played it for myself, which in a gameplay-centric game like this makes all the difference
-The music and art are fantastic
Really hope they do a demo for this one day, where one day means "after I'm able to get a Switch".
-Don't like how the gameplay looks in trailers at all
-Don't like the lack of singleplayer
-Needed the reviews to blow me away and they haven't
On the other hand:
-Nintendo almost never botches core game design and this team made MK8 - a masterpiece
-I haven't played it for myself, which in a gameplay-centric game like this makes all the difference
-The music and art are fantastic
Really hope they do a demo for this one day, where one day means "after I'm able to get a Switch".
"almost garbage"
D.Lo
Member
I did expect a bit of story stuff, at least some interactions between characters. They appear to have really thought out the character relationships in some cases (eg Mechanica as a huge Ribbon fan) so it's unexpected for me.
Mario Kart doesn't need a story because it's a zany spinoff.
DoctorFling
Member
I'll be interested in picking this up once more content has dropped but for now I'm... content.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
What's the difference between average and extremely average? This is important
I know what you mean man. If it was called LEGS and was published by Bintendo, game would've been a total bomba
OrbitalBeard
Member
Nah, not really. Nintendo has always had games that score in the 90's, alongside well-loved games that score in the 70's and 80's.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
You can apparently play it fine without motion controls
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Yup.
Really people underestimate, how much time the developers need to spend into testing to figure out, if a game-mechanic is fun or not. That's why games with unique mechanics, have rarely a good single-player or a lot of content, the developers put most of their budget into creating good gameplay. A sequel gives them finally the time and money to build on there base and develop something bigger.
Injustice 2 has such a big single-player, because NetherRealm Studios could use a lot of mechanics, code and systems from their previous titles. Even for Mortal Kombat the basic gameplay and even lore was already developed over decades. Fighting games at that time had the benefit, that there most basic-form could be developed for and bought from Arcades. After that the publisher could put the money into a console-version (for example Mortal Kombat or Tekken). That's also why Street Fighter 5 was such a disappointment. Capcom had no excuse for their lack of content, since they weren't reinventing the wheel.
This lack of tacking risks and the big demand of players has the negative consequence, that many publisher take less risks with new mechanics. It's easier to take known mechanics and modify them as put a lot of time and money into the development of new game-mechanics. Which could burn a lot of money and maybe never create something fun.
But on the other side i can understand, if people think, that this isn't there problem. That's why, i hope Nintendo keeps this in mind and either create a lot of free content, until the game is big enough for more players. Or they use this base as a starting platform and make a bigger sequel next time. So a 7 out of 10 would be okay for such a game. ARMS actually getting 8/10, shows how promising the mechanics are.
Injustice 2 has such a big single-player, because NetherRealm Studios could use a lot of mechanics, code and systems from their previous titles. Even for Mortal Kombat the basic gameplay and even lore was already developed over decades. Fighting games at that time had the benefit, that there most basic-form could be developed for and bought from Arcades. After that the publisher could put the money into a console-version (for example Mortal Kombat or Tekken). That's also why Street Fighter 5 was such a disappointment. Capcom had no excuse for their lack of content, since they weren't reinventing the wheel.
This lack of tacking risks and the big demand of players has the negative consequence, that many publisher take less risks with new mechanics. It's easier to take known mechanics and modify them as put a lot of time and money into the development of new game-mechanics. Which could burn a lot of money and maybe never create something fun.
But on the other side i can understand, if people think, that this isn't there problem. That's why, i hope Nintendo keeps this in mind and either create a lot of free content, until the game is big enough for more players. Or they use this base as a starting platform and make a bigger sequel next time. So a 7 out of 10 would be okay for such a game. ARMS actually getting 8/10, shows how promising the mechanics are.
The traditional controls are perfectly fine as many can attest to, including myself. Hell, a lot of people even prefer it.
The desire for attention?
Uhm i beat nearly everyone with a pro controller i only lost like 2 times in 1 vs 1.
Skittzo0413
Member
I would've loved a story mode, maybe with some more adventure-like sections with multiple enemies.
As it is I don't think I'll be getting this since it doesn't really have enough single player content to hold me over. But I'll keep an eye on the free DLC updates.
Absolutely. I played the testpunch only with pro controller and handheld mode, and both times I had no problem controlling it (won a lot of the time as well).
All control options are available. The focus comes from you.
donkey show
Member
I think it can be done without getting too complex like Gundam VS which they took inspiration from:
But you'd have to introduce another button to be held or some sort at the very least to incorporate a shift in long range to close range attacks. But from a design perspective, I can understand why they didn't go that way. No need to obfuscate what is inherently a niche way of playing a fighting game.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Some say the game is better using standard controls. I performed about the same.
Stupid
Little Monser
Banned
slaytendo stays winning with yet ANOTHER HIT on their arms
when will your washed up faves?
when will your washed up faves?
I don't know what "extremely" average means, but yeah a 78 seems pretty average when grading on a curve. The curve makes no sense in school, but it does make sense for consumers who have tons of options to choose from.
SanguineShark
Member
Seems like fun, but they really should have worked on content.
Think I'll wait for Splatoon 2, that's supposed to have more stuff, right?
Think I'll wait for Splatoon 2, that's supposed to have more stuff, right?
5/10 "not enough stages, not enough fighters"
privitsan02
Member
Will probably end up in the range of Excite Bike/Truck series. Don't see this being as successful as Splatoon.
Best wishes.
Best wishes.
I can agree with this, the characters are practically begging for it
hopefully they do some lore building in the future
thepenguin55
Member
Dude, those character stories were a joke and if they didn't get you fight money they wouldn't even be worth spending your time on. Arms may be launching bare but they're going to do like they did with Splatoon and greatly expand Arms with updates. Having said that, I definitely see myself skipping Arms at least for now anyways. Arms gameplay just didn't grab me (which is surprising as I love Virtual On). It seems like a game that I would initially enjoy and then get really sick of after spending about a month with it.
It doesn't help that I hate the motion controls (I gave them a fair shake... lol) but also as we all now know the traditional controls are inferior in some crucial ways where that alone just makes me not want to play the game. Either way, I'm curious to see how this game does and I hope it does well as I like Nintendo stepping out of their comfort zone. I'm sure it'll do great in its first month because people are just absolutely starved for games but I wonder how many people will stick with it after Splatoon 2 launches.
They don't know what to expect because it's a new IP, I feel bad for ppl who won't give this a try because of others opinions but for 90% who played the textpunch agreed to be there Day 1
StAidan
Member
I think I'm going to keep my preorder. I was on the fence about getting a good amount of time out of the game before Splatoon comes out, but Arms is only costing me $40, and it seems like I can play this for a few weeks and not be overwhelmed with the amount of content. So hopefully I won't feel guilty when I set it aside next month.
Peotical Injection
Member
Had no Idea this was coming out so soon. I really enjoyed the test punch. Definitely getting it.
Greatest Ever
Member
I'm almost back, has the tide turned on me yet?
UnemployedVillain
Member
I think it can be done without getting too complex like Gundam VS which they took inspiration from:
But you'd have to introduce another button to be held or some sort at the very least to incorporate a shift in long range to close range attacks. But from a design perspective, I can understand why they didn't go that way. No need to obfuscate what is inherently a niche way of playing a fighting game.
Yeah, I think the only mechanics that seemed "missing" that I would have appreciated was:
1. Some sort of close range mode. Maybe even if when you were close your arms animation/effect changed. Wouldn't need another mode, but it would need to be clear if you were in range for "close range"
2. Some kind of tech-ing. It's just odd hitting the ground and not having a quick "rebound" if you shield on impact or something
