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[mckmas8808]

This is getting stupid. Glad I'm a console gamer.

 

[dirthead]

The problem isn't a Steam-esque client, it's that there's starting to be tons of them, so you're kind of missing the point there.

Also GOG is on it's way to doing the exact same thing. They're only just catching up on multiplayer games since it was not feasible to introduce those before with their DRM stance but now that they have their own client it's being pushed for most multiplayer games they introduce. The percentage of games that needs Galaxy for part of it's game is only going to increase.

GOG is not on the way to doing the exact same thing. They don't do DRM, and single player games are completely clean. Multiplayer games where you don't own the server are inherently restricted. You can't avoid that dependency.

What PC gamers should do is not buy games that don't release dedicated servers that gamers can run themselves, but if they did that, they wouldn't be the whipped bitches that landed us in the shitty situation we're in today. Gamers really are some of the dumbest consumers on the planet. Time and time again, despite a long history of knowing what a bad idea it is, they repeatedly make decisions that aren't in their own interest.

Things are worse than they used to be. We used to have moddable games with dedicated servers with no store dependencies. Now PC storefronts are glorified console walled gardens, basically. What a joke.

 

[Two Pikachus]

ehhhhh I'm not really interested in Bethesda games but this is bad for me personally as a trend.

I don't like having separate launchers and friends lists. I like using the Steam music player during games. I like Steam sales.

30% is very significant and should change but I don't think this is the kind of thing companies turn back on. They invested in their launchers, it's just there now. Even if Steam said, fine, let's do 10%, they're keeping their launchers.

Yes, you can buy Ubi games on Steam but they still force you to use UPlay which lovingly likes to sign itself out from time to time so I can't just sit down with a controller and enjoy an Ubi game, I have to expect them to want me to sit at the keyboard and type shit every time I start one.

Just more shit to have to deal with for no consumer benefit.

 

[hivsteak]

My favorite part of using different game clients are the bugs. Ubisoft's would hang my entire system and require a hard reboot if I had a playstation controller plugged in when it started up. It took me over a year to figure out the cause. I haven't played or purchased a Ubisoft game since

 

[dirthead]

My favorite part of using different game clients are the bugs. Ubisoft's would hang my entire system and require a hard reboot if I had a playstation controller plugged in when it started up. It took me over a year to figure out the cause. I haven't played or purchased a Ubisoft game since

Also, enjoy multiplying your security risks dramatically with every additional client you use. You know there will be data breaches from all of these clowns. I repeat: Steam-esque storefronts were always a stupid idea. Game developers should focus on making fucking games. Let companies like Amazon who actually specialize in running stores sell shit. The old model was better. Game developers made shit, stores sold shit. Steam from the very beginning was driven entirely by greed. It was never a good thing for gamers.

People should have the option to buy games direct from a developer if they want to open up another security risk and possibly pay less for the game (why the fuck should it NOT be cheaper when it's less overhead?). Like, a game direct from Bethesda should cost $50 or whatever and then be $60 on Amazon.

 

[DonF]

all im thinking is that its going to be a micro transaction paradise. That's the reasons they want it out of steam. If it were a regular game, that 30% its fine, but since every micro transtaction is also subject to that 30% thats a huge revenue taken from bethesda

 

[Pheace]

GOG is not on the way to doing the exact same thing. They don't do DRM, and single player games are completely clean. Multiplayer games where you don't own the server are inherently restricted. You can't avoid that dependency.

This is not relevant. The point is that GOG is now pushing a third party (GOG itself) control over multiplayer games on their platform which, at some point is going to die out, as will most of them. I had hoped they'd only allow games with LAN/Direct connect options on their store but that's clearly not their priority anymore. They've basically moved the meaning of DRM-Free store to DRM-Free Single Player store.

That's fine, but pretty much the NR1 argument you get on GOG for why people don't like DRM is the loss of control over their own game. DRM as 'copy protection' is slowly becoming irrelevant because publishers are increasingly aware they don't need it if they focus on multiplayer/social integration in their games.

What PC gamers should do is not buy games that don't release dedicated servers that gamers can run themselves, but if they did that, they wouldn't be the whipped bitches that landed us in the shitty situation we're in today. Gamers really are some of the dumbest consumers on the planet. Time and time again, despite a long history of knowing what a bad idea it is, they repeatedly make decisions that aren't in their own interest.

Pretty much, but GOG isn't helping in that regard anymore, they're adding to the problem. GOG Galaxy matchmaking is just that, a third party matchmaking service where you rely on GOG to allow you to play part of your game.

 

[dirthead]

This is not relevant. The point is that GOG is now pushing a third party (GOG itself) control over multiplayer games on their platform which, at some point is going to die out, as will most of them. I had hoped they'd only allow games with LAN/Direct connect options on their store but that's clearly not their priority anymore. They've basically moved the meaning of DRM-Free store to DRM-Free Single Player store.

That's fine, but pretty much the NR1 argument you get on GOG for why people don't like DRM is the loss of control over their own game. DRM as 'copy protection' is slowly becoming irrelevant because publishers are increasingly aware they don't need it if they focus on multiplayer/social integration in their games.



Pretty much, but GOG isn't helping in that regard anymore, they're adding to the problem. GOG Galaxy matchmaking is just that, a third party matchmaking service where you rely on GOG to allow you to play part of your game.

I agree with you. I will only recommend getting single player games from GOG from now on.

 

[NickFire]

As annoying as this might be to PC gamers, the real question is why on earth wouldn't they boost revenues by 30% when given the chance?

 

[Woo-Fu]

Either there's a monopoly or you have to deal with 30 of them.

There isn't a monopoly, there aren't 30 of them to deal with.

 

[dirthead]

There isn't a monopoly, there aren't 30 of them to deal with.

"There isn't a monopoly" in a thread where people are COMPLAINING about having to use something besides Steam. "There isn't a monopoly" in a thread where gamers are actively fighting to have fewer options.

 

[Pheace]

"There isn't a monopoly" in a thread where people are COMPLAINING about having to use something besides Steam. "There isn't a monopoly" in a thread where gamers are actively fighting to have fewer options.

To be fair, a monopoly wouldn't have other options for people to want to go away or be forced to use.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I find it funny how people are griping that companies are stopping the support of the Steam monopoly, which to me is great news as it may be the jolt Valve needs to develop games again.

For those bitching about multiple launchers: It's going to be no different than how it was before there was Steam, where you just have to find each games individual icon (or .exe file) and start the game. You can even create your own folder to do it.

It's not that big of a deal.

 

[Woo-Fu]

"There isn't a monopoly" in a thread where people are COMPLAINING about having to use something besides Steam. "There isn't a monopoly" in a thread where gamers are actively fighting to have fewer options.

You can post all the gifs you want, your statement was incorrect. As long as you start off with lies and follow up with lies, nobody is going to take you seriously.

The simple fact of the matter is that the reason Steam works is because very few developers want to commit to developing, supporting, and maintaining their own digital distribution platform. That leaves it mostly in the realm of large publishers and there aren't 30 large publishers. So no, it isn't going to be a monopoly or 30 launchers, which is what you said it was, remember?

 

[Redshirt]

There's also Playnite.

Friend support is still somewhat of an issue, but everyone uses Discord nowadays anyway.

 

[Gamezone]

Yes, and that is the problem, because that's the whole issue. Valve isn't special. No one deserves to have a storefront monopoly. So yes, the Steam-esque client is a bad idea because if it's even remotely fair, it means there will be tons of them. The only way it's "convenient" for consumers is if there's a monopoly, which is also bad. This is why Steam-esque clients are fucking stupid. Either way you cut it, it fucks someone. Either there's a monopoly or you have to deal with 30 of them. Crap idea. People should have never gone for it in the first place. One of the dumbest mistakes PC gamers have ever made.

Yeah, fuck Steam and their monopoly. Meanwhile it's fine that Bethesda lock their games behind their own client, which is also monopoly.

Steam isn't monopoly. They are way more open than other clients, and you can buy Steam keys from other third party retailers. Valve doesn't receive any money from them. They also provide you with more features.

 

[Gamezone]

all im thinking is that its going to be a micro transaction paradise. That's the reasons they want it out of steam. If it were a regular game, that 30% its fine, but since every micro transtaction is also subject to that 30% thats a huge revenue taken from bethesda

That's right. Russian retailers have already leaked that Rage 2 and their next Wolfenstein will be released on Steam. Bethesda tend to release their online games almost a year later. That's probably because they want 100% of every microtransaction.

 

[manfestival]

I need more interest before I consider buying this game now. It is annoying to have to deal with an installer and this also just means another stupid account that I have to manage and more software to dump on my computer for no real good reason

 

[Redshirt]

That's right. Russian retailers have already leaked that Rage 2 and their next Wolfenstein will be released on Steam. Bethesda tend to release their online games almost a year later. That's probably because they want 100% of every microtransaction.

Both GMG and Fanatical have Rage 2 listed as Steam too, but they're also not accepting pre-orders yet, so not sure it means anything.

 

[Gamezone]

Both GMG and Fanatical have Rage 2 listed as Steam too, but they're also not accepting pre-orders yet, so not sure it means anything.

That's probably accurate.

But I don't get why they would sell Fallout 76 on third party websites and not Steam. They take the same cut.

 

[Redshirt]

That's probably accurate.

But I don't get why they would sell Fallout 76 on third party websites and not Steam. They take the same cut.

Not sure. I know Ubi recently cut off all avenues to Steam keys, but they still sell direct through Steam.

 

[bee]

i played quake champions on the bethesda launcher before it was on steam, that game has probably less than 1% of the players this game will have, during my time with it i experienced awful in game performance which was fixed by launching the game then closing the launcher immediately, every time a patch released you needed to download the whole game again, the launcher also frequently deleted the whole game (no shit)

people generally enjoyed it so much, they made their own app that bypassed it altogether! http://esreality.com/post/2877585/quake-champions-quick-launcher/

can't see this games launch on pc being anything other than a clusterfuck