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Ars Technica detailed Xbox One versus PS4 spec comparison

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In any case, we certainly aren't looking at the kind of difference in graphical quality you see in some cross-platform games from earlier in the PS3 and Xbox 360 generation, where graphical details could differ significantly between platforms
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I agree with the article and I hope the majority of the general gaming public will too :)
 
At this point I'm just waiting for HardOCP, Anandtech and every remaining tech site to just shit the bed and do the same...

May as well go ahead and get it over with.

In any case, we certainly aren't looking at the kind of difference in graphical quality you see in some cross-platform games from earlier in the PS3 and Xbox 360 generation, where graphical details could differ significantly between platforms
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WHOA HOLD UP! No fucking WAY did they just say that....


Wow..
 
cyberheater said:
I agree with the article and I hope the majority of th general gaming public will too :)
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You can agree with factually incorrect shit, but it doesn't change that it's factually incorrect. The public agreeing with factually incorrect shit does not therefore make it any less incorrect.
 
"the gap is much narrower than in previous generations"

Meanwhile we have the biggest gap between multiplatform game performance on the same gen hardware ever?


Wat.
 
In any case, we certainly aren't looking at the kind of difference in graphical quality you see in some cross-platform games from earlier in the PS3 and Xbox 360 generation, where graphical details could differ significantly between platforms
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Isn't this a lie? Isn't this EXACTLY what is happening with these launch titles? On an even larger scale?

I can't believe this is a tech site saying this.
 
Dragon said:
Quote worthy
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Arse Technica said:
In any case, we certainly aren't looking at the kind of difference in graphical quality you see in some cross-platform games from earlier in the PS3 and Xbox 360 generation, where graphical details could differ significantly between platforms. As we've mentioned, these two consoles are largely capable of rendering the exact same scene in the exact same way. Even though the Xbox One has a slightly faster CPU, the PS4 has a larger GPU. And both consoles take different approaches to delivering developers similar amounts of memory and memory bandwidth.
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640p vs 720p, a slightly better frame rate and the same visuals = Significant

720p vs 1080p, or 720p vs 900p, a slightly better frame rate plus better graphical effects = Not nearly as much of a difference?

We're talking an 80p difference vs either a 180p or 360p difference. Laughable.
 
So, basically they want people who don't know any better to take away from the article that Xbone's CPU is faster and it's GPU has a higher theoretical bandwidth.
 
Microsoft and Sony will bend over backwards to tell you how different one console (their console) is from the competition...
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I stopped reading here. Hardware wise, Microsoft has been doing their best to say they match the PS4 in power. Which kinda tells you all you need to know. Funny how this comes out just after the IGN Here's a similar looking chart article.

Who's next?
  • Eurogamer: We have all the outside details! Both boxes are black!
  • Edge: We weigh in on the differences! (XBox tops the scale!)
  • Kotaku: Our Sources (sorry, no names to protect them) inform us both boxes are black!
 
peterb0y said:
Not sure what you guys want? They said the PS4 has a performance edge, just that they think it'll be slight.
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Games running at 1080p vs 720p is not a slight difference. It's double the pixels being rendered.

I ask you all to just imagine for a moment, that it's 2006 and Ars Technica is reviewing the competing high definition disc formats. Bluray vs HD-DVD. Let's say Bluray is capable of 1080p, and HD-DVD is capable of 720p for most movies. There wouldn't even be a discussion there. The 1080p format would win.

Now I know that's not a perfect analogy, but the fact is they wouldn't parse words in such a comparison. 1080p is a much cleaner image. Yet when it comes to these consoles, suddenly everyone is falling over each other to downplay that difference. "It's minor", "it's unnoticeable to most people", "it's upscaled, so no big deal", etc.
 
I find this, "they're both the same" narrative very interesting. Who is the tech press trying to convince, folks like us, or the average consumer who just found out last week some new consoles were coming out.
 
Amir0x said:
You can agree with factually incorrect shit, but it doesn't change that it's factually incorrect. The public agreeing with factually incorrect shit does not therefore make it any less incorrect.
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What is factually incorrect? Specifically?
 
Pimpbaa said:
They do have glasses, and they are made of money.
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That explains why they're saying 720p is practically the same as 1080p.

peterb0y said:
What is factually incorrect? Specifically?
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In any case, we certainly aren't looking at the kind of difference in graphical quality you see in some cross-platform games from earlier in the PS3 and Xbox 360 generation, where graphical details could differ significantly between platforms
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This? We're seeing larger discrepancies between multiplats at launch than we have all of the previous generation. This is a factually incorrect statement.
 
BruiserBear said:
Games running at 1080p vs 720p is not a slight difference. It's double the pixels being rendered.

I ask you all to just imagine for a moment, that it's 2006 and Ars Technica is reviewing the competing high definition disc formats. Bluray vs HD-DVD. Bluray is capable of 1080p, and HD-DVD is capable of 720p for most movies. There wouldn't even be a discussion there. The 1080p format would win.

Now I know that's not a perfect analogy, but the fact is they wouldn't parse words in such a comparison. 1080p is a much cleaner image. Yet when it comes to these consoles, suddenly everyone is falling over each other to downplay that difference. "It's minor", "it's unnoticeable to most people", etc.
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Is Ghosts the only game to run at 720 on X1 and 1080 on the PS4?
 
Skilletor said:
Isn't this a lie? Isn't this EXACTLY what is happening with these launch titles?
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Yes it is... the differences are LARGER than last gen by a great margin. Its not even fucking close. They are just flat out lying.

Every single person that co-signs this bullshit willfully sacrifices his/her right to criticize the gaming media from this day forward. If you nod your head in agreement to this bullshit, then you clearly don't care about worthwhile journalism anyway, so don't go complaining when your favorite game gets an 8.5/10 review score 2 years from now.
 
SeaOfMadness said:
What? PS4 isn't miles ahead? Get 'em boys, we can't let that stand.
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I don't have a problem if the consoles really ARE that similar.

The problem, though, is that we KNOW they are not.
 
MikeXXIeaf said:
Are they lying in the article? I'm seriously trying to understand.
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Yes because the gap at launch is already bigger than whatever we saw from a simultaneous multiplatform release on PS360 since 2007, if you exclude Bayonetta which was not even supposed to be on PS3 to begin with.
 
SeaOfMadness said:
What? PS4 isn't miles ahead? Get 'em boys, we can't let that stand.
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That's a disingenuous argument and you know it. Read what they actually say and comprehend the spin they're pulling here. Granted you need to know a bit about tech stuff yourself to understand it, and that's precisely why Ars did this, because most people don't and stuff like this muddy's the discussion about what does what better than the other.
 
I'm camping out in this post. I've got four kegs of Corona ready and some flaming young on the grill next to the shrimp. Y'all want anything? This will be a great post.

Seriously, I don't buy this argument at all. Both consoles has something the other doesn't. Microsoft's value proposition (XBL everywhere, games, and dat 'Cloud) in the long-term of integrating services should propel the Xone to success. Sony's first party lineup and Galkai should move units. In other words, let me point out the good things of both consoles lest someone accuse me of something I'm not doing.

Either way, they better fight for this $560 in my household just like they should fight for yours.
 
Cipherr said:
Yes it is... the differences are LARGER than last gen by a great margin. Its not even fucking close. They are just flat out lying.

Every single person that co-signs this bullshit willfully sacrifices his/her right to criticize the gaming media from this day forward. If you nod your head in agreement to this bullshit, then you clearly don't care about worthwhile journalism anyway, so don't go complaining when your favorite game gets an 8.5/10 review score 2 years from now.
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They fear, is normal.
 
Amir0x said:
You can agree with factually incorrect shit, but it doesn't change that it's factually incorrect. The public agreeing with factually incorrect shit does not therefore make it any less incorrect.
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Please point out the incorrect facts in that article. The article seems well balanced and the conclusion is sound.
 
upJTboogie said:
Just a heads up, this guy is going to do this for the duration of the thread. Proceed if you wish.
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? I just hate that an outlet publishes something, states that the PS4 is MORE powerful, but just thinks that the differences won't be some substantial gap.

I mean- what if they actually think that? Are they not allowed to publish that?
 
RibMan said:
This is the equivalent of saying "We are going to do a hardware comparison between the Galaxy S4 and the iPhone 5S. By the way, the iPhone wins because it has more apps and the specs are irrelevant."

It is a very flawed way of performing an objective analysis.
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Haven't they actually done something like that, though? With the Android vs iOS device comparisons.
 
rudieboy77 said:
I find this, "they're both the same" narrative very interesting. Who is the tech press trying to convince, folks like us, or the average consumer who just found out last week some new consoles were coming out.
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cyberheater said:
Please point out the incorrect facts in that article. The article seems well balanced and the conclusion is sound.
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"They are both the same, choose based on games" seems to be a message originating from Microsoft, not Sony. Disappointing to see some sites fall for it. They clearly do not deliver the same amount of power to developers if those devs are having to turn down details and res.
 
peterb0y said:
What is factually incorrect? Specifically?
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Have you read the article? You certainly don't appear to have read it. Your downplaying is extremely frustrating. When we have this much reality distortion the typical human reaction is frustration. That's what you're seeing here.
 
Why the fuck do y'all care so much? If either system gets enough good games that you want, you're going to get it anyway. The only times that all this shit matters is at launch, when there aren't many games so we all go by raw specs.

History's proven that the strongest console isn't the one that sells the best. Steam's proven that mid-range computers can still have an amazing library of games that sell well. We all have memories of great games on all consoles, regardless of their power.
 
Justin said:
Is Ghosts the only game to run at 720 on X1 and 1080 on the PS4?
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The only multplatform game we're currently aware of, but there are a great number of 720p games on the XB1, while almost every single game on PS4 is 1080p.

Lunar15 said:
Why the fuck do y'all care so much?
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Personally, I care because I care about the truth. I don't care to have news delivered to me in a half hearted manner, where the facts are watered down to not offend anyone. If you're a tech site, just give me the straight facts.
 
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