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[jstripes]

posting a comment like that its even easier.

I've been cheated on, and it really, really sucked, but that was a private matter between her and I.

I wouldn't wish this leak on anyone, because it fucks up your entire life, not just your relationship.

 

[Yukiari]

It was not unethical at all. The part that really brings on a case of the eye rolls is the police trying to defend/protect the users of the site, and calling them "victims"! LMFAO!

*tries not to make a comment about "To Protect and Serve the Ruling Class" *


Hold your ground everyone, you're doing great.

So if this hacking happened to a site that you believe was doing something good, would they change into victims then?

 

[Maximo]

I am suprised at some of the responses to suicides is boiling down to "fuck em, they cheaters anyway". Am I in twilight zone here? First of all, whatever the fuck happened to right to privacy? Secondly, suicide is a manifestation of very disturbing underlying psychological problem. This is not a whistleblower situation where we caught people embezzling money our defrauding taxpayers. No. This is purely bedroom business that none of us has the right to peek into. Are we back to being a tar and feather society?

Agreed with this post, some of the comments are disgusting.

 

[Silver Arrows]

It was not unethical at all. The part that really brings on a case of the eye rolls is the police trying to defend/protect the users of the site, and calling them "victims"! LMFAO!

*tries not to make a comment about "To Protect and Serve the Ruling Class" *


Hold your ground everyone, you're doing great.

really

fucking really?

Are we really going to go down this route?

They are victims. They had their personal info stolen, and are being strung up by blackmailers. Two have already supposedly committed suicide.

And yet you are going to harp on the choosing of the words by police?

 

[mkenyon]

I can't argue with it not being a crime. Would it still not be any of my business if someone close to me was cheating on their spouse?

*edit*

I'm not sure I understand your question. If it's, "if someone close to me was cheating on their spouse, does then the leak of everyone on Ashley Madison become my business?" Then, the answer is no.

Anything else is an irrational twisting of what I responded to.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Nope.

Well, we're going to have to disagree then. I would tell a close friend or family member about infidelity and I'm sure they would do likewise.

 

[Willectro]

So if this hacking happened to a site that you believe was doing something good, would they change into victims then?

Why is the site completely absolved of responsibility? Numerous articles state that "security was an afterthought" at AM.

 

[Yukiari]

Why is the site completely absolved of responsibility? Numerous articles state that "security was an afterthought" at AM.

Oh, I totally agree that the site is responsible too. They deserve to be sued.
So the hackers and AM themselves.

 

[Slavik81]

Has anyone posted this yet? Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me. By a guy who made a search tool to find out if your email is in data leaked from Ashley Madison (or a number of other security breaches).

A small selection:

So got a call, from our church leaders yesterday, saying my husband's work email was on [redacted], oh my!

As a divorce attorney who often searched AM for my clients (and found a couple of cheaters there), I think it should be addressed that there are most likely women who merely joined AM as guests without paying or ever actually engaging- for the sole purpose of attempting to catch a cheating spouse.

An outcome I hadn’t foreseen was some people thinking that any result for an email address on [Have I Been Pwned?] meant a presence on Ashley Madison:

Look dude, my wife want a divorce now since my email shows 'owned' when she put it in. Can you explain to her it's not for the Ashley Madison hack its checking the all pwned sites

This was actually for Adobe, the same breach I had three different accounts in!

adultery is a punishable offense under the U.S. Army's Uniform Code of Military Justice, and while simply having an active account at this website doesn't indicate any wrongdoing, it's possible that as the data become more publicized, some people are in for a lot of headaches.

[...]in desperation to find information, some people were resorting to downloading what they thought was the Ashley Madison breach, but evidently was something different altogether:

It seems easy to download the complete list from the pirate site. However the associated applications seem very dodgy

 

[Willectro]

Oh, I totally agree that the site is responsible too. They deserve to be sued.
So the hackers and AM themselves.

There's a lot that focuses on the hackers, but if a bank left the doors wide open the money would quickly be stolen.

 

[Alavard]

Why is the site completely absolved of responsibility? Numerous articles state that "security was an afterthought" at AM.

Not only that, the site told former members it had deleted their accounts and information, when it did no such thing.

 

[Yukiari]

There's a lot that focuses on the hackers, but if a bank left the doors wide open the money would quickly be stolen.

And the robbers and the bankers would be at fault. At the same time just because you can do something does not mean you should. The hackers are definitely at fault in this. There's no denying that AM was weak but at the same time it's not really the same thing. If a bank is robbed your money is still secure. Provided that you're using a legal bank.

 

[Walpurgis]

It's going to be pointless but why?

People who cheat are selfish liars and deserve to be exposed. I am not particularly moved by one of these people selfishly killing themselves (that is, assuming that they aren't mentally ill).

 

[mkenyon]

People who cheat are selfish liars and deserve to be exposed. I am not particularly moved by one of these people selfishly killing themselves (that is, assuming that they aren't mentally ill).

Fortunately, morally superior assholes on the internet don't require a breach of data to get exposed.

 

[Willectro]

Not only that, the site told former members it had deleted their accounts and information, when it did no such thing.

For a fee too, irrc.

And the robbers and the bankers would be at fault. At the same time just because you can do something does not mean you should. The hackers are definitely at fault in this. There's no denying that AM was weak but at the same time it's not really the same thing. If a bank is robbed your money is still secure. Provided that you're using a legal bank.

Could literally be a motto for AM.

 

[TheClimaxan]

People who cheat are selfish liars and deserve to be exposed. I am not particularly moved by one of these people selfishly killing themselves (that is, assuming that they aren't mentally ill).

Wow.

 

[Archer]

Has anyone posted this yet? Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me. By a guy who made a search tool to find out if your email is in data leaked from Ashley Madison (or a number of other security breaches).

A small selection:

So got a call, from our church leaders yesterday, saying my husband's work email was on [redacted], oh my!

Sounds like a witch hunt.

Once again, the rise of the populist mentality.

 

[jstripes]

There's a lot that focuses on the hackers, but if a bank left the doors wide open the money would quickly be stolen.

I wouldn't say they left the doors wide open. It's more like they secured the doors with a dollar store bicycle lock.

 

[Walpurgis]

Fortunately, morally superior assholes on the internet don't require a breach of data to get exposed.

Okay? Name-calling really isn't necessary. If you have something to say, say it.

 

[komplanen]

Fortunately, morally superior assholes on the internet don't require a breach of data to get exposed.

"Oh no it turns out a cheater thinks I'm an asshole"

VS

"Oh shit I got caught and my family is coming undone because of my actions"

LOL all of us morally superior assholes are really afraid of what you'll think of us.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

It's going to be pointless but why?

Someone should change their position because seemingly unstable people killed themselves after being outed as cheating on their partners?

What about that should result in a position shift?

 

[Yukiari]

For a fee too, irrc.



Could literally be a motto for AM.

Sorry but one is actually illegal and the other should be dealt with within the family. I'm not going to pass any moral judgment on these people because it's none of my damn business what they do between the sheets.

I'm surprised people don't see that this doesn't just hurt the cheater it also hurts the family involved. All of a sudden everyone knows your business, you're the person that got cheated on. Now your friends know about it, now your coworkers know. Not everyone is wants everyone to know they've been cheated on.

 

[Oersted]

People who cheat are selfish liars and deserve to be exposed. I am not particularly moved by one of these people selfishly killing themselves (that is, assuming that they aren't mentally ill).

People who are on this site are not automatically cheaters, and even if, its none of your goddamn business.

 

[Plasmid]

Biggest spender in MS, $7000. HOW?!

 

[BeforeU]

My friend has over 16 accounts here,he finds married women for sex. We call him homewrecker, he just doesnt give a shit.

Biggest spender in MS, $7000. HOW?!

??

 

[Willectro]

Sorry but one is actually illegal and the other should be dealt with within the family. I'm not going to pass any moral judgment on these people because it's none of my damn business what they do between the sheets.

I'm surprised people don't see that this doesn't just hurt the cheater it also hurts the family involved. All of a sudden everyone knows your business, you're the person that got cheated on. Now your friends know about it, now your coworkers know. Not everyone is wants everyone to know they've been cheated on.

Everyone noisy knows your business... I haven't searched for people I know because I don't care... so there's that element too.

 

[Yukiari]

Everyone noisy knows your business... I haven't searched for people I know because I don't care... so there's that element too.

There are people searching for their friends, malware is being made to infect the lookie loos. There's so much attention on this situation that I have no doubt people are searching for people that they know.

 

[wildfire]

Okay? Name-calling really isn't necessary. If you have something to say, say it.

He already said it. I agree with your underlying sentiment but you said it in assholish way.

People who cheat are selfish liars and deserve to be exposed. I am not particularly moved by one of these people selfishly killing themselves (that is, assuming that they aren't mentally ill).

The first sentence I agree with but you pretty much make broad assumptions with the second.

First we don't know if the people committing suicide are only doing for being exposed as cheaters. People who have been cheated on have committed suicide in the past. It wouldn't surprise me if that happened or will happen eventually.

Let's assume it is cheaters so far even then you have to figure some of these people were really in a bad spot like the guy whose career revolved around being indebted to his wife's family and he knew the only outcome was a divorce. In general people who commit suicide aren't doing it because they are selfish. Most do it because they think they're a waste of space and they have nothing else to live for.

 

[Vanish]

You would think companies would learn from each other, but they don't.

especially after that whole Sony disaster last year. that shouldve put all companies on alert but nope

 

[Iph]

So if this hacking happened to a site that you believe was doing something good, would they change into victims then?

Oh hello there, deflection!

really

fucking really?

Are we really going to go down this route?

They are victims. They had their personal info stolen, and are being strung up by blackmailers. Two have already supposedly committed suicide.

And yet you are going to harp on the choosing of the words by police?

No, they are not. You have no idea the level of rot and trash that site is trying to protect. I speak from a position of authority on this matter that you cannot even begin to imagine. The police are scrambling to protect those in positions of authority in higher echelons because of very grave circumstances this scandal is slowly blooming into. Even Rafflesia flowers are beautiful. They bloom in very specific environments- the police and such are just scrambling to stop/cover up the inevitable. No mercy.

 

[mkenyon]

"Oh no it turns out a cheater thinks I'm an asshole"

VS

"Oh shit I got caught and my family is coming undone because of my actions"

LOL all of us morally superior assholes are really afraid of what you'll think of us.

Faithful for 16 years and counting. Come at me.

There's a difference between, "these people are doing morally wrong things", and "I'm glad there was a breach of security, because the people are doing morally wrong things".

"He who is without sin cast the first stone" and all.

 

[dreamcastmaster]

My friend has over 16 accounts here,he finds married women for sex. We call him homewrecker, he just doesnt give a shit.

He's single and didn't force any of those women to open accounts AM. Im sure a lot of people had accounts for that reason, quick fling with no commitments.
The number of posters here that lack life exerience calling them affairs is revealing high.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

People who cheat are selfish liars and deserve to be exposed. I am not particularly moved by one of these people selfishly killing themselves (that is, assuming that they aren't mentally ill).

It indeed was.

Someone should change their position because seemingly unstable people killed themselves after being outed as cheating on their partners?

What about that should result in a position shift?

Because they are people not moral chess pieces. We as a society, shouldn't celebrate or use this this time to say who bad cheaters are.
No one should have there personal information released without their consent. Also, I don't care about changing someone's "position" because that won't happen. I was only interested in his reasoning.

 

[komplanen]

Faithful for 16 years and counting. Come at me.

There's a difference between, "these people are doing morally wrong things", and "I'm glad there was a breach of security, because the people are doing morally wrong things".

"He who is without sin cast the first stone" and all.

I'm all for these potential cheaters getting legal justice and compensation for the breach but I just don't feel sorry for them.

 

[Yukiari]

Oh hello there, deflection!

Is that what you're doing? I really would like that question answered. The outrage would be totally different.

What about a gay site that was hacked by religious fanatics and they exposed all the users and their credit card information. They did this not to be mean but because they're just doing gods work. Does that make it better for you? Worse?

What about a website that listed the names and payment details of women who had abortions. Now they're outed.

Again, does your outrage change depending on the type of situation? Would there be no outrage at all?: What?

 

[uncelestial]

No, they are not.

So if a "potential cheater" (or just someone who was interested in a discreet relationship) got assaulted by a random stranger with a baseball bat, they wouldn't be assault victims. Got it.

 

[mkenyon]

I'm all for these potential cheaters getting legal justice and compensation for the breach but I just don't feel sorry for them.

I wouldnt expect you to. That's a very different position than this though:

People who cheat are selfish liars and deserve to be exposed. I am not particularly moved by one of these people selfishly killing themselves (that is, assuming that they aren't mentally ill).

It's not illegal, it's not breaking a social contract that you have entered in with them.

Here's the point: Wishing/promoting harm on people doing something that you morally disagree with is a fucking awful line of reasoning. Take it to the extreme, change the content, see if it still feels good.

 

[Hackworth]

So apparently the odds of people getting blackmailed and/or straight-up murdered have gone way up since this leak. Mob justice is fucked yo.

That's ignoring the people who had accounts made for them by people wanting to mess with them.

 

[HawksWinStanley]

Labelling suicide a cowards way out is fucking low.

Bit of a dick move to say that, lowlife material actually

Ironically that's kind of how I feel about people who take their lives. Sling all the insults you want my man, it won't change my view on how cowardly an act it is.

But I digress as this isn't the topic for that.

 

[Shaneus]

There is one thing I want to say about this Ashley Madison hacking scandal. I agree with the sentiments that the act itself was unethical, etc, etc. but it should be pointed out that some anger and blame should be thrown upon Avid Life Media. The security they have is a function of the I.T. team they are willing to hire to defend it. How much were they investing in protecting the security of their data? My guess is not a whole lot when the password to the root of your server is Pass1234.

Oh wow. When I read that statement from the hackers about Pass1234, I thought that was some kind of hacking application used to brute-force access something. Didn't realise that was the actual password!

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Kind of makes you wonder which led to more hurt, the site going up or the site crumbling down?

Terrible situation for everyone involved, but people have to realize that cheating in the electronic age will always leave a trail.

 

[mre]

Extra marital affairs aren't illegal.

No? From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery

Adultery remains a criminal offense in 21 states, although prosecutions are rare.[145][146] Massachusetts, Idaho, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Wisconsin consider adultery a felony, while in the other states it is a misdemeanor. It is a Class B misdemeanor in New York[147] and Utah, and a Class I felony in Wisconsin.[148] Penalties vary from a $10 fine (Maryland)[149] to four years in prison (Michigan).[150] In South Carolina, the fine for adultery is up to $500 and/or imprisonment for no more than one year [South Carolina code 16-15-60], and South Carolina divorce laws deny alimony to the adulterous spouse.[151][152][153]

In the last conviction for adultery in Massachusetts in 1983, it was held that the statute was constitutional and that "no fundamental personal privacy right implicit in the concept of ordered liberty guaranteed by the United States Constitution bars the criminal prosecution of such persons [adulterers]."[154] Whether a conviction under this statute would be possible today (especially after Lawrence v. Texas (2003)) is not known.

In Utah, the adultery law only applies to the married party (the law states that "A married person commits adultery when he voluntarily has sexual intercourse with a person other than his spouse.")[155] However, Utah also has a fornication law that applies to any unmarried person (also a class B misdemeanor).[156]

In Florida "Living in open adultery" (Art 798.01) as well as "Lewd and lascivious behavior"(Art 798.02) which includes, among others, a man and a woman who "not being married to each other, lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together" are both misdemeanors of the second degree.[157]

South Carolina's adultery law came into spotlight in 2009, when then governor Mark Sanford admitted to his extramarital affair. He was not prosecuted for it; it is not clear whether South Carolina could prosecute a crime that occurred in another jurisdiction (Argentina in this case); furthermore, under South Carolina law adultery involves either "the living together and carnal intercourse with each other" or, if those involved do not live together "habitual carnal intercourse with each other" which is more difficult to prove.[158]

In Alabama "A person commits adultery when he engages in sexual intercourse with another person who is not his spouse and lives in cohabitation with that other person when he or that other person is married." Adultery is a Class B misdemeanor.[159]

In the U.S. Military, adultery is a potential court-martial offense.[31] The enforceability of adultery laws in the United States is unclear following Supreme Court decisions since 1965 relating to privacy and sexual intimacy of consenting adults.[160] However, occasional prosecutions do occur.[161]

 

[Ethics Gradient]

It was not unethical at all. The part that really brings on a case of the eye rolls is the police trying to defend/protect the users of the site, and calling them "victims"! LMFAO!

*tries not to make a comment about "To Protect and Serve the Ruling Class" *


Hold your ground everyone, you're doing great.

Oh, good. So the hack was ethical according to you. Because the "ruling class" benefits from the site. Excellent. I like the way your slippery mind works. I wonder what else you will convince yourself of.

 

[Condom]

The least we should agree on is that use of such sites should be discouraged, making profit out of cheating is despicable.

 

[wildfire]

It was not unethical at all.

Doxxing people is unethical. Airing the laundry of these people isn't deserved by the public.

These cheaters deserved to be outed but if I was the hacker I wouldn't publicly disclose it. The information should be forwarded to the involved couples. Obviously something like that would require effort but it would've been the ethical way to handle this.

 

[RionaaM]

People who cheat are selfish liars and deserve to be exposed. I am not particularly moved by one of these people selfishly killing themselves (that is, assuming that they aren't mentally ill).

This is one of the most horrible posts I've read on GAF, and I've been in a lot of GamerGate threads. You can't even pretend you feel some minimal empathy for your fellow man, damn.

I dislike cheating as much as any other guy, but I don't think cheaters deserve to have their lives ruined or commit suicide. That's some perverse way of thinking, seriously.

Ironically that's kind of how I feel about people who take their lives. Sling all the insults you want my man, it won't change my view on how cowardly an act it is.

But I digress as this isn't the topic for that.

This comes close too. Fuck those cowards who are suffering from mental illnesses without anybody giving a damn about it, yay!

 

[pgtl_10]

Where can I get the list? I want to see if I'm on it.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Doxxing people is unethical. Airing the laundry of these people isn't deserved by the public.

These cheaters deserved to be outed but if I was the hacker I wouldn't publicly disclose it. The information should be forwarded to the involved couples. Obviously something like that would require effort but it would've been the ethical way to handle this.

It would be ethical to potentially destroy 30 million relationships simultaneously worldwide in the pursuit of fairness? Even disapproving of cheating I find that to be a questionable conclusion, you don't even know 99% of these people.

 

[Lowmelody]

Fuck this hack and fuck this thread.

This hack hasn't personally affected me or anyone in my life but the out right victim blaming and sanctimonious condemnation of people's relationships and sex lives and choices therein is infuriating. Casting away the fucking concept of privacy for cheap ass ego masturbation. Then the callous, dismissive and ignorant comments about mental illness took it well beyond the pale.

I expected better but that's because I'm a fucking idiot.

 

[pgtl_10]

I'm on the list neat. Considering I'm single and a sex addict this is nothing.