VVV Mars VG
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For me it depends on the car and class. Both games have cars which are easier and more intuitive to control, both have cars that feel all over the place, I'dd add Dirt Rally to that list as well when it comes to Pikes Peak cars.
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Assetto Corsa (Console) |OT| Kunos tries to console us.
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For me it depends on the car and class. Both games have cars which are easier and more intuitive to control, both have cars that feel all over the place, I'dd add Dirt Rally to that list as well when it comes to Pikes Peak cars.
Very true, it's actually quite odd how different some of the cars are, drive both the C9 and Huayra in both AC and PCARS and see just how different they perform.
On PC it's on par with rFactor 2's FFB I'd say. R3E too.
soundscream
Member
While hilarious......they should probably fix this
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/SoundScream13/video/21262202
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/SoundScream13/video/21262202
TylerDurden4321
Member
I think Kunos has made some fade-out for the after-race transition that should come soon. Still bad, but a cheap improvement. They should have a completely different system for SP.
In other news, I wanted to get a feeling for how to setup a controller with just the input variables from Assetto Corsa (you may know that Forza uses some kind of slip-angle sensitive system in addition to the speed-sensetivity, that's why it's so easy to keep oversteer in check in the Forza games with a controller). I especially wanted to know how the Gamma changes steering speed and how the Filter lag adds to all that and build a mini app with Mathematica that uses controller inputs.
The blue cross is my actual input, the orange cross is the game's interpretation after filter, gamma and deadzone are applied (speed-sensitivity is assumed as fixed to a speed where the peak steering rotation allowed is 180° to each side)
Now, after that, I feel about as smart as before.
There is no right or wrong to gamma settings, depending on at between what points of your stick movement you have the most feel. For me it's somewhere between 30 and 65% input. I also found that more deadzone than you need to not move the steering wheel without having touched anything can be a good thing and deadzone should be set so it helps gamma out of its "nothing is happening" points. Lastly, for how my app worked with a mean-filter from the last xxxms, I felt that more filter to slow down the wheel movement looked smoother than less sensitivity, could be completely different in AC though.
Edit: that sounds convoluted... What I meant is, a higher deadzone than necessary can help to get to the "more feel"-zone of the stick and works well with a gamma setup that translates that zone to more output% than the input%.
Perfect illustration of how replays dont use real physics. Kunos has just changed the coordinates of the cars instantly teleporting them yet the replay shows them moving across. Wish I had this clip when people were telling me GTS's streams were full physics.
Silver Arrows
Banned
As a general rule of thumb for me, the race cars feel much better in PCARS on pad then the road cars do. The road cars feel too much like the old NFS SHIFT model of handling where it was like soap bars on ice.
TJP
Member
Star Trek fans would be proud of that warping
soundscream
Member
As I feard this game has ruined Pcars for me. The FFB in Forza isnt perfect but it felt better to me than Pcars, so only having the two to compare and contrast this generation I was able to deal with it. But after Asseto came out it amplifys my issues with the Pcars FFB.
Forza FFB has an issue when you reach the limits of grip where it just goes to nothing immediately when you lose the car. Asseto feels just as strong but never losses it. Pcars I cant feel the car at all. It does some things well but I feel no body roll, and its to much play on the wheel. I did a lap where I drove the BMW M1 on spa in all 3 games, I was fastest in AC, then Forza and Pcars last. The reason I was last was because I couldnt feel the car, resulting in oversteer and a general lack of confidence going into turns.
Forza FFB has an issue when you reach the limits of grip where it just goes to nothing immediately when you lose the car. Asseto feels just as strong but never losses it. Pcars I cant feel the car at all. It does some things well but I feel no body roll, and its to much play on the wheel. I did a lap where I drove the BMW M1 on spa in all 3 games, I was fastest in AC, then Forza and Pcars last. The reason I was last was because I couldnt feel the car, resulting in oversteer and a general lack of confidence going into turns.
Patrick S.
Banned
I hate that warping when you jump the race start, too. It's so "gamey", for lack of a better term... Why don't they just issue a drive-through as in real life? That must be something that would take ten minutes for them to implement.
Tearing defeated? As in completely eliminated? That's some stellar number crunching if so. Time will tell I guess, but it sounds hopeful.
I'm sure they'll cop some serious flak if not.
It'd be pretty cool if they managed to fix it this quickly considering they seemingly haven't been able to fix it in the previous months leading up to release. Going back to the first Inside Sim Racing and Team VVV PS4 vids the framedrops have been obvious. Maybe it was such a low priority that they didn't even bother trying until now. We'll see.
Obviously it'll be huge news if they have greatly reduced the stuttering/tearing.
Obviously it'll be huge news if they have greatly reduced the stuttering/tearing.
There was a school of thought that the performance some how dipped just before release, think VVV said that the release version was worse than a build they played prior to launch, so maybe something they fixed just as it went gold had a performance hit and they didn't have time to fix it before they had to push it out the door.
But yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.
VVV Mars VG
Member
Yes the preview build appeared to run better and with full race replays. Still tearing though, so big words by the devs, lets see if the results match that confidence.
Sorry James I can't hear you because I'm currently getting dry butt-fucked by Sony execs live on Japanese TV for a game show called Wheel Of Misfortune.
Jamesways
Member
That sounds like a terrible show.
TJP
Member
That must be the same show that 4K BluRay fans were on as well given the PS4 Pro news.
Good to read that Kunos have sorted some of their technical issues.
scorcher59
Member
FTFY
TylerDurden4321
Member
soundscream
Member
Could you use one of those adapters that make the g27 show up as a g29 since the fanatecs show up as a g27 in ps3 mode?
Good stuff, haven't played in a few days so I'll probably wait for the update before going back to it.
kratos2412
Neo Member
anyone using Thrustmaster T150 wheel ?
if so ,what is your suggestions regarding Forcefeedback Settings , my Settings are way too noisy its like iam holding a jackhammer
if so ,what is your suggestions regarding Forcefeedback Settings , my Settings are way too noisy its like iam holding a jackhammer
TylerDurden4321
Member
What does noisy mean? Noise over what should feel like a constant force? Or does the road feel too bumpy?
I can't think of a reason why it would feel more bumpy on a T150 than with a T300 or a TX of which ai usually hear it's identical to PC("terrible" here on GAF reported a different/worse feel). I also looked on AssettoCorsa.net, no forum posts from T150 users since console launch.
Assuming that console FFB is mostly identical to PC FFB in AC, you could ask again in the PC racing sims thread here on GAF there are people there who have played AC with a T150. Game-settings-wise I don't think anyone could recommend you something clever that you haven't already tried (like... If it's too much road bumpiness feel, turn down the road-ffb slider), but if it's a wheel issue or general problem AC has with the T150/TMX the PC racing sim guys would probably know about it or could suggest things to try wheel-side.
kratos2412
Neo Member
so rumble comes from kerbs and street settings? , so i could pump up forcefeedback and leave the others low ? i have the wheelstand pro v2 buts its "vibrates" crazy
soundscream
Member
Well the FFB is very strong and causes my rig to vibrate. If you are looking to eliminate vibration you should turn the FFB down.
TylerDurden4321
Member
In theory, yes, at least for bumps that would fall under "fast-bump", but I'm not sure how that is realized in AC.
Side-note: I have that same wheelstand and use anti-vibration mat pieces supposed to make washing machines less noisy from vibrations (they cost ~6-10 bucks for a 60x60cm one that you can slice 2 pieces off of, they are thick and kinda stiff, you don't get your FFB muddied down).
About the FFB and what to turn down:
The first FFB setting is the master and overall ffb strength, most of the FFB is derived from self-aligning torque (that is what you feel in a real car), self-aligning torque doesn't get an extra slider, but other settings can be fine-tuned:
- road-ffb is used to exagerate the road unevenness,
- kerbs-ffb (I think) has an extra value to make tarmac kerbs feel like kerbs with teeth that give rumble feedback,
- slip-ffb is the seat-of-pants driving feel substitute and gives feedback wheen the rear of the car is reaching higher lateral slip,
- understeer-ffb will exaggerate the understeer effect that will make turning the wheel feel lighter when the front wheels are slipping laterally.
kratos2412
Neo Member
thank you for your help , its very annoying to Change Settings then test it while driving and go back to home Screen to do it over and over again .
is there a Chance for the developers to add option to change FFB on the fly ?
TylerDurden4321
Member
In the PC version, you can set the master-ffb for a car (not saved for other cars then) during game-play, so in theory it's possible, but I doubt they'll do it. They think less options are better and comparing the FFB to pCARS, where I spend probably over 10 hours just tweaking FFB values, reading up on things, downloading tweaker files and tables, I kinda have to agree. If you just get it right, you don't need to offer many options on top of it, another good example is controller steering in Forza - no real options, but you don't find people complaining (except for brake-locking from left-trigger braking, but let's not talk about that), because it's really pretty good as it is.
Well, thinking about it from an inclusive/pro-diversity point, more options is always is good, as long as you try your best to get it right for the vast majority from the start. So, yeah, you're not wrong. Did the "less road-ffb" help you to get rid of the unauthentic noise for the most part now, after some trial & error?
kratos2412
Neo Member
Yes it helped a lot, also turned down base ffb
and i got faster lap times. i bought pcars and ac at once , paid 50 euros and drove a few laps in pcars to let it rest on the harddrive .
i love assetto corsa much more , that feeling with a wheel is amazing.
AnythingBut
Member
TylerDurden4321
Member
Black Cat County track will be released for free on the console version in the next (major) update.
So not saying "the next update", but it will be this month.
So not saying "the next update", but it will be this month.
Looking forward to seeing how the new update plays.
Jamesways
Member
Also just announced on FB-
"We're pleased to announce that our console players can download the all-new Maserati Levante for FREE, as part of our next major update, scheduled for later this month! Reaching top speeds of 264 km/h, take to the track and experience the performance and fun-factor of Maserati’s first ever SUV."
Damn SUVs in racing games...
What is this, Forza?!
I can't wait for the update. I frickin' LOVE this game. There, I said it.
Wheeee!!!
"We're pleased to announce that our console players can download the all-new Maserati Levante for FREE, as part of our next major update, scheduled for later this month! Reaching top speeds of 264 km/h, take to the track and experience the performance and fun-factor of Maserati’s first ever SUV."
Damn SUVs in racing games...
What is this, Forza?!
I can't wait for the update. I frickin' LOVE this game. There, I said it.
Wheeee!!!
Italia-GAF, the game is 29.99 on Unieuro.it
Was submitted for cert on Thursday.
TylerDurden4321
Member
Also, first Porsche pack was originally planned for September but now seems to be coming in October (and they've shown quite a few drivable Porsches already on the Nürburgring sim expo). Seems that everyone on the team had to put some work in, to get the console version closer to the PC version asap.
Japanese Pack is rumoured to come out today for consoles...........
As an aside, for people who've played this in the PC, I noticed this morning on a youtube video that the PC has a 'garage mode', a bit like Forzavista, is this a mod?, or is this something that is in the base PC version?
Because it's completely missing from the console version.
As an aside, for people who've played this in the PC, I noticed this morning on a youtube video that the PC has a 'garage mode', a bit like Forzavista, is this a mod?, or is this something that is in the base PC version?
Because it's completely missing from the console version.
It's a fully fledged feature on the PC version.
Nice, console paupers!
Prestige pack is now available on the XBO, £5.59 > https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/store/p/assetto-corsa-prestige-pack-dlc/bvg67z5106gp
FWIW, I managed to get a code, and the cars in the pack are probably some of the best in the game.