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[SmokyDave]

Here is the original source from the Macedonian channel. Maybe the OP can change the link and someone can decipher what the refugees are saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8xkYZNsKUY

It just looks like they refuse the packages and cheer when they are taken away. If it is the case they objected to the Red Cross emblem I really can't see most of the people in that video integrating well in European society.

Original title badly translates as 'The migrants do not receive assistance from Macedonia'.

Presumably because they are holding out for muesli, as they should.

 

[Kenshin001]

There's fucking NOTHING in the video OP linked.

There's people behind barbed wire waving and yelling in a language you don't understand, and police walking around with packages.

You don't even know if they're refusing anything. There's nothing in there that proves this in any way, unless you tell me you're able to translate what they're saying.

Literally the only thing that's for certain about the video is that the uploader is an utterly terrible person.

Of course, it's possible that what they claim happens is actually happening, but you can't actually see it from the video, and even then you wouldn't know anything about the context/motives.

It's fucking apalling that people in here are using this to confirm their prejudices without any further research.

It's pretty obvious the people are cheering when the packages are taken away in the original video. The title of the original video is:

Мигрантите не ја примаат помошта од Македонија

Which translates as: The migrants do not receive assistance from Macedonia.

 

[Milchjon]

It's pretty obvious the people are cheering when the packages are taken away in the original video. The title of the original video is:

Мигрантите не ја примаат помошта од Македонија

Which translates as: The migrants do not receive assistance from Macedonia.

Yes, they are cheering. Yes, the police are walking away.

Anything beyond that is conjecture and creating causality that fits your narrative.

You don't even know if the cheering is in any way linked to the aid packages.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Here is the original source from the Macedonian channel. Maybe the OP can change the link and someone can decipher what the refugees are saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8xkYZNsKUY

It just looks like they refuse the packages and cheer when they are taken away. If it is the case they objected to the Red Cross emblem I really can't see most of the people in that video integrating well in European society.

Why boo the red cross though? They have red cross organisations in their home countries. It's not like the red cross is suddenly a new thing to them.

The fact that there's only a 1 minute long clip with absolutely no further information is pretty suspect. It's just look at these people booing, now jump to your conclusions why that might be.

 

[Milchjon]

I also think it's hilarious that posting links from Daily Mail, ******** or even gawker/WSHH/polygon will create a backlash, while this is a much more obviously suspect source, yet people take it at face value.

 

[Ravensmash]

Another video, from the notations in the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i26...XYg5rFeuFk&annotation_id=annotation_261209739

Translating some of the German, it says:

"Asylum seekers make a show of throwing the orange juice from their food packages in the trash, because the sugar content is too high."

Smdh. Literal beggars being choosers. Fuck you, get some sustenance or go somewhere else.

This is just going to be fuel for the right in Europe.

I really think we should help those who legitimately need helping, but hearing about food being wasted or trashed because of the above reasoning is really sad. Especially when there are starving people in their adopted host countries.

Edit: but if it is just edited propaganda then fuck that too.

 

[Kenshin001]

Yes, they are cheering. Yes, the police are walking away.

Anything beyond that is conjecture and creating causality that fits your narrative.

You don't even know if the cheering is in any way linked to the aid packages.

"The migrants do not receive assistance from Macedonia".

 

[SmokyDave]

I also think it's hilarious that posting links from Daily Mail, ******** or even gawker/WSHH/polygon will create a backlash, while this is a much more obviously suspect source, yet people take it at face value.

I think it's hilarious that you're running around like a headless chicken desperately trying to discredit some footage that nobody else is taking remotely as seriously as you are. I expect you'll be learning Macedonian and tracking down the cameraman before night falls.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Why boo the red cross though? They have red cross organisations in their home countries. It's not like the red cross is suddenly a new thing to them.

The fact that there's only a 1 minute long clip with absolutely no further information is pretty suspect. It's just look at these people booing, now jump to your conclusions why that might be.

They have a own department, its called Red Crescent. So its possible that they dont know what the red cross is.

"The migrants do not receive assistance from Macedonia".

Wow, you can use Google Translator and read. You deserve a medal.

I think it's hilarious that you're running around like a headless chicken desperately trying to discredit some footage that nobody else is taking remotely as seriously as you are. I expect you'll be learning Macedonian and tracking down the cameraman before night falls.

Oh, there are a couple of people here who takes this very serious.

 

[Milchjon]

"The migrants do not receive assistance from Macedonia".

"The migrants do not receive assistance from Macedonia" is entirely different from "Migrants refuse food for [insert your favorite reason here]" isn't it?

It totally inverts the active party in the sentence, for instance, and introduces causality where before there was none.

Like I said, it is possible this is all true. But nothing in the video is in any way conclusive.

 

[Kenshin001]

They have a own department, its called Red Crescent. So its possible that they dont know what the red cross is.



Wow, you can use Google Translator and read. You deserve a medal.



Oh, there are a couple of people here who takes this very serious.

They have the Red Cross in Muslim countries. They were attacked in Libya and Afghanistan.

 

[Interceptor]

"The migrants do not receive assistance from Macedonia" is entirely different from "Migrants refuse food for [insert your favorite reason here]" isn't it?

It totally inverts the active party in the sentence, for instance, and introduces causality where before there was none.

Like I said, it is possible this is all true. But nothing in the video is in any way conclusive.

If they say not halal in the video you should ask yourself which title was more misleading.

 

[Majorzero]

What’s next a Youtube channel from stormfront? It’s great you guys are getting so vocal at at a obvious propaganda video.

 

[SporeCrawler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXYg5rFeuFk

The video speeks for itself. It's tearing me apart to see those children in the video who are getting neglected by their parents, because the aid-package is not up to their standards. Which begs to question if you're allowed to even have standards when you're supposedly on the run from famine, disease and war.

I dont know. If you are on the run from famine, disease and war and they give you some shit you cant eat you should be able to choose whether to eat it or not to eat it. for people that believe in such things its not a question of nutrition but a question of faith.

 

[TatteredHat]

Take the children away from their parents and feed them since refusing is clearly child abuse.

The parents can go ahead and starve for all I care.

 

[KurtSloane]

Thats why everyone in the EU has to start to give asylum.



They know that germany has a better economy. I can understand them.



What about look at the video and the other videos in the channel and try to get context? Way better than writing uninformed bullshit

And yeah, we all treat animals so much better

EU and its citizens should be under no obligation to take anyone in.

I understand things are bad in the places where they come from but that does not mean they have a right to refuge.

Economies and social systems are creaking everywhere, taking on more people is the last thing needed, why drag down the standard of life for those already there?

That maybe an unpopular opinion, but if all these people are doing is looking a better quality of life, then so am I.

Expect EU countries to close down more and more, its unpopular and citizenry have the right to choose and refuse to help, it is on their backs that these systems where built, not to be simply handed out to others.

 

[danwarb]

Fair enough.

Don't pile insult onto injury. People are angry as well as wrecked.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

EU and its citizens should be under no obligation to take anyone in.

I understand things are bad in the places where they come from but that does not mean they have a right to refuge.

Economies and social systems are creaking everywhere, taking on more people is the last thing needed, why drag down the standard of life for those already there?

That maybe an unpopular opinion, but if all these people are doing is looking a better quality of life, then so am I.

Expect EU countries to close down more and more, its unpopular and citizenry have the right to choose and refuse to help, it is on their backs that these systems where built, not to be simply handed out to others.

Yes, who cares that they are politcial hunted where they come from... Fuck them, they should just be killed of in their own countrys.

Also, its not that long ago that people right in the middle (OK, not that much in the middle - more in the east of europe) fleed to the west. But hey, remember how horrible we all suffered from this?

 

[Tallshortman]

I dont know. If you are on the run from famine, disease and war and they give you some shit you cant eat you should be able to choose whether to eat it or not to eat it. for people that believe in such things its not a question of nutrition but a question of faith.

No one is force feeding them, if they choose to refuse the food then why exactly should Europe choose to feed them?

 

[Dictator93]

Filthy racists taunt poor and impoverished with devil's feast. Makes me fucking sick. Europe is basically nazi germany 2.0 but way way worse and without the nice Hugo Boss outfits. I'm so upset that I'm literally crying into my muesli.

You killed me.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Yes, who cares that they are politcial hunted where they come from... Fuck them, they should just be killed of in their own countrys.

Also, its not that long ago that people right in the middle (OK, not that much in the middle - more in the east of europe) fleed to the west. But hey, remember how horrible we all suffered from this?

They will be politically hunted in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar, Morocco, Dubai, Kuwait, Pakistan?

I know some of those countries already take in a lot of refugees, but the living conditions there are not comparable and mostly just camps with lots of people. Which is terrible, but they are not being killed for their believes there.

And yes we did saw more people from Eastern Europe coming to the West when the borders opened for work. But that situation is not comparable. Those people return when they can't find work. Those countries are also growing and getting better. The countries these people are from will not, so they are stuck here even if they can't speak the language and can't get work.

 

[KurtSloane]

Yes, who cares that they are politcial hunted where they come from... Fuck them, they should just be killed of in their own countrys.

Also, its not that long ago that people right in the middle (OK, not that much in the middle - more in the east of europe) fleed to the west. But hey, remember how horrible we all suffered from this?

Those that suffer from the complications caused by artificial population increase tend to be the working class, social housing becomes less accessible as competition increases, manual labour jobs become more harder to get due to increased competition, school places, increase in pressure on social services etc.

Take care and fix the problems of those already there before even attempting to become involved in helping others.

Also the places they are leaving will never get better if people keep leaving, stay and fight to make it a better place.

I sympathise with their plight but feel no obligation, and a lot of others feel the same.

Funnily you will find those campaigning for the rights of immigrants and their right to enter the country are generally not those who will suffer any problems as a result of the additional burden.

 

[danwarb]

No one is force feeding them, if they choose to refuse the food then why exactly should Europe choose to feed them?

Because otherwise they'd suffer more?


It's also the aggressive and manipulative foreign policy of more than a few European countries that results in much of the current asylum crisis.

 

[ClosingADoor]

It's also the aggressive and manipulative foreign policy of more than a few European countries that results in much of the current asylum crisis.

Certainly not the support and funds the terrorist groups get from other Arab countries...

 

[SporeCrawler]

No one is force feeding them, if they choose to refuse the food then why exactly should Europe choose to feed them?

because some europeans believe in humanitarism?

 

[BigDes]

Those that suffer from the complications caused by artificial population increase tend to be the working class, social housing becomes less accessible as competition increases, manual labour jobs become more harder to get due to increased competition, school places, increase in pressure on social services etc.

Take care and fix the problems of those already there before even attempting to become involved in helping others.

Also the places they are leaving will never get better if people keep leaving, stay and fight to make it a better place.

I sympathise with their plight but feel no obligation, and a lot of others feel the same.

Funnily you will find those campaigning for the rights of immigrants and their right to enter the country are generally not those who will suffer any problems as a result of the additional burden.

Telling people who have had to lie with barrel bombs and chlorine gas attacks to stay and fight seems naive at best.

 

[KingSnake]

Also the places they are leaving will never get better if people keep leaving, stay and fight to make it a better place.

Search "Syria civil war" on google images.

 

[KurtSloane]

Search "Syria civil war" on google images.

Seen plenty about the Syrian Civil war, so how does it end if the people don't take part?

Foreign armies to go in fix it, committing their people to the fight and die while the citizens flee?


Again I understand the plight, still the average working Joe is not responsible nor should help shoulder the burden.

 

[Oersted]

EU and its citizens should be under no obligation to take anyone in.

Refusal of a human right.

 

[speculawyer]

Beggars can't be choosers. Literally.

 

[daniels]

Kinda strange how people think this doesn't happen..
Yeah we had something similar in Austria refugees throwing away food as some kind of protest.

Also we had some mass brawl recently with around 100 Afghan refugees basically hunting down 30 Somalians.
http://www.heute.at/news/oesterreich/noe/art23654,1189583

Oh yeah and in suhl the same thing 80 refugees hunting down one person while shouting allahu akbar because he ripped a page out of the Koran.
The police protected this persons and the poor refugees started attacking the police.. 14 people got hurt, 4 from the police. http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2015-08/suhl-thueringen-fluechtlinge-ausschreitungen
Gee i wonder why some countries don't want muslime refugees..

What actually would help Europe, the Refugees and basically the whole world is if the US would FINALLY start pulling their weight in this mess they helped to create.

 

[speculawyer]

It's also the aggressive and manipulative foreign policy of more than a few European countries that results in much of the current asylum crisis.

That is completely ridiculous.

 

[funkypie]

Because half of these people are nothing more than economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. Fuck 'em.

 

[KurtSloane]

Refusal of a human right.

What human right is that?

 

[ClosingADoor]

What actually would help Europe, the Refugees and basically the whole world is if the US would FINALLY start pulling their weight in this mess they helped to create.

Lol, I just looked up the US. They want to take... an amazing 70.000 people in this year. Not even 10% the amount Germany takes with a population 1/4 the size.

I hope no Americans are judging Europeans here for thinking there are just a little too many refugees lately coming to Europe.

 

[KingSnake]

Seen plenty about the Syrian Civil war, so how does it end if the people don't take part?

Foreign armies to go in fix it, committing their people to the fight and die while the citizens flee?

I don't know, for whom should they fight? For ISIS or for Assad? I guess they can fight to choose how to die, from chemical weapons or beheaded. Why should they fight in a war that it's not theirs? It's like you would ask citizen of a city why they are not participating in a local mob war.

What kind of stupid questions are these?

If people don't take part the war will end by lack of fighters, of course.

Have you seen any refugee asking for foreign armies?

What human right is that?

Another stupid question. Do you have many of these?

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Article 14.

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

 

[coleco]

It bothers me that there plenty of people in european countries sleeping in the streets/parks/atms and going into trash containers everyday looking for whatever they can take who would gladly take these aid packages.

 

[Kenshin001]

I don't know, for whom should they fight? For ISIS or for Assad? I guess they can fight to choose how to die, from chemical weapons or beheaded. Why should they fight in a war that it's not theirs? It's like you would ask citizen of a city why they are not participating in a local mob war.

What kind of stupid questions are these?

If people don't take part the war will end by lack of fighters, of course.

Have you seen any refugee asking for foreign armies?

I would have thought they'd join the FSA. I can understand why a lot of them don't want to fight, especially if they have families but it's not like Assad and IS are the only options. The fight kind of is theirs since it's their country, their home.

 

[daniels]

Lol, I just looked up the US. They want to take... an amazing 70.000 people in this year. Not even 10% the amount Germany takes with a population 1/4 the size.

I hope no Americans are judging Europeans here for thinking there are just a little too many refugees lately coming to Europe.

yep germany and austria basically taking ONE PERCENT of the whole population and it looks like this will only rise... also deportations for people that have NO refugee status are routinely blocked because of reasons..
But no apparently the reason that the right wing gains so much is because all Europeans got racist overnight..

 

[hobblygobbly]

Context is fucking important. Did everyone else miss the barbed-wire fence. This isn't about halal food. If you were fleeing a war with nothing but the clothes on your back trying to start your new life, you'd be pissed too if they held you at the border of a country you need to pass through to get to the country you've been promised asylum (Germany). They don't care about what the food is, they're just voicing their anger in the only way they can at the bureaucracy that is slowing them down (Barcelonian government). These people don't have phones, they can't tweet this. This is the only form of protest they have.

It's pretty fucking narrow-minded that everyone is taking this situation at face-value instead of looking it up the details.

The thing is that it's not just refugees/asylum seekers, economic migrants are amongst them and going through the same channels. No country has a duty to support or accept economic migrants, there's billions of people on this Earth in shitty economic conditions that can have a better life elsewhere but aren't facing any humanitarian crisis (so instead they should get in the country like everyone else must).

Some of these countries want to block off these economic migrants which is fair enough but accept refugees/asylum seekers. The big issue is that both are going through the same channels to get into Europe and also the economic migrants are negatively affecting the situation of refugees/asylum seekers because it's difficult to control who is and isn't allowed in.

 

[m0dus]

I've spoken to a few Muslim guys about this. You are right. If no other choice is available then Non-Halal is fine. The point is that your shouldn't starve to death due to your religious beliefs.

Even more so to this point, it is actually sinful to refuse such food (either for yourself or your children) if you are starving. Saying a prayer over it absolves you of any potential halal requirement for extra measure.

Seems there is much more going on here.

 

[KingSnake]

I would have thought they'd join the FSA. I can understand why a lot of them don't want to fight, especially if they have families but it's not like Assad and IS are the only options. The fight kind of is theirs since it's their country, their home.

FSA occupies a really small part of the territory, maybe the smallest among the fighting factions. Even so, joining one faction doesn't guarantee anything for you and your family other than that you're even more likely to die. It is their country, but probably it isn't their war.

And every war produces refugees, it's not like this is something new now.

The thing is that it's not just refugees/asylum seekers, economic migrants are amongst them and going through the same channels. No country has a duty to support or accept economic migrants, there's billions of people on this Earth in shitty economic conditions that can have a better life elsewhere but aren't facing any humanitarian crisis (so instead they should get in the country like everyone else must).

Some of these countries want to block off these economic migrants which is fair enough but accept refugees/asylum seekers. The big issue is that both are going through the same channels to get into Europe and also the economic migrants are negatively affecting the situation of refugees/asylum seekers because it's difficult to control who is and isn't allowed in.

But that's the whole scope of the asylum centers, to host everybody until their request is analyzed. If this doesn't work very efficient, maybe something can be done about the whole process.

I don't know, maybe if there would be some kind of common European organization that could provide support for a crisis situation like this. /s

 

[params7]

That is completely ridiculous.

I don't see how. The great upward trend in migration has been a recent phenomenon. Things were relatively dandy when Libya was standing and Syria wasn't at war with insurgents.

 

[KurtSloane]

I don't see how. The great upward trend in migration has been a recent phenomenon. Things were relatively dandy when Libya was standing and Syria wasn't at war with insurgents.

ISIS are the fault of the American illegal invasion of Iraq, they also had a hand in Libya.

Also the people in both countries wanted this (war / regime change).

 

[Nesotenso]

I think it's hilarious that you're running around like a headless chicken desperately trying to discredit some footage that nobody else is taking remotely as seriously as you are. I expect you'll be learning Macedonian and tracking down the cameraman before night falls.

sure...

 

[Alabamaman]

Everyone thinking the refugee problem can be solved with mass immigration, should see this: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

 

[Doczu]

ISIS are the fault of the American illegal invasion of Iraq, they also had a hand in Libya.

Also the people in both countries wanted this (war / regime change).

So people wanted regime change, but when a war breaks out they flee?

 

[params7]

ISIS are the fault of the American illegal invasion of Iraq, they also had a hand in Libya.

Also the people in both countries wanted this (war / regime change).

ISIS are also distant cousins of Jabat Al Noosra and related extremist groups fighting as...*drumroll*.... FSA. ISIS was born out of the lines funded by Western allies to topple Assad. They then grew out into Iraq.

People were unhappy with the regimes, but like someone else said above, this is not the war they asked for.

 

[KurtSloane]

So people wanted regime change, but when a war breaks out they flee?

War is often the method for regime change, especially in countries under minority / dictatorship rule.

Starting a fight, leaving, expecting others to clean up the mess and possibly lose their lives and then expect countries to take you in and provide.

Nobody is under any obligation to provide a safety net, and UN human rights don't mean jack to a lot of citizens in Europe.

They care about food in their own cupboards, roof over their heads and we have plenty of homeless and on the poverty line falling through the cracks, bit rich to start bailing out others without taking care of our own.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

War is often the method for regime change, especially in countries under minority / dictatorship rule.

Starting a fight, leaving, expecting others to clean up the mess and possibly lose their lives and then expect countries to take you in and provide.

Nobody is under any obligation to provide a safety net, and UN human rights don't mean jack to a lot of citizens in Europe.

They care about food in their own cupboards, roof over their heads and we have plenty of homeless and on the poverty line falling through the cracks, bit rich to start bailing out others without taking care of our own.

I hope you apply these same standards to yourself if you ever have to flee for your life.

Or are you a typical internet loud mouths who doesn't believe anything he says applies to him, only to the other less desirables.