Fair enough. I wasn't trying to point fingers at anyone or anything, just lamenting how normalized this stuff has become. I agree that a 50 page thread discussion about terrorism isn't going to benefit anyone at this point.Let me tell what I think is happening. We all who did it and why they did it. We've had lots of threads before that turned into a battle between people attacking Islamic terrorism and Islam itself and others defending the religion, trying to disconnect it from the attacks.
The results would be some people banned for islsmophobia and an endless discussion. So I think people here just don't bother anymore taking about the bigger picture.
People express their condolences, pay their respect and move on. The Spanish community is not big indeed but let's not forget that people from other 34 countries are among the victims.
Thank you.I'm sorry if some of you feel it this way... Don't take the size of the thread as an indication about how much people care. I'm really sad for people there, it's just... I don't thing arguing about it will bring anything of values. But my thoughts are with Spain now...
This is an excellent timeline for those interested.
It looks like we lucked out big time. This wasn't a lone wolf attack at all. It was an actual terror cell with plans a, b, and c.
First they tried to rent a large truck and load it with gas containers in order to cause a massive explosion at the end of their run, but couldn't provide the permits and had to settle for two smaller vans. Then they fucked up the bombs and blew up their safe house. The terrorists driving the second van were later shot down, although they fatally stabbed a bystander and injured a number of people.
This could have been much, much worse.
A 12-strong terror cell that carried out two attacks in Spain this week had collected 120 gas canisters and was planning to use them in vehicle attacks, Spanish police say.
Canisters were found at a house, said to be used by the cell, that blew up in the town of Alcanar on Wednesday night.
Police are still hunting for the driver of the van that hit dozens of people on Barcelona's Las Ramblas, killing 13.
So is this the new thing?
Replace bombs with ramming people down in cars?
Sure it's pure logic - why risk trying to obtain bomb materials which are well tracked and protected and then find someone smart enough to put the bomb together when any idiot can drive a car and stealing car is super easy (or borrowing or buying some 10 years old junk).
9. Plan B was to load 2 smaller vans with explosives. That failed too. They didn't know how to prep the explosive & blew up house instead
The apparent ringleader of the Spain terror attacks had links to one of the 2004 Madrid bombers.
Officials have said while the men responsible for the twin attacks in Barcelona and Cambrils were not on the security services' radar, the apparent ringleader Abdelbaki es Satty did have extremist connections.
He went to prison five years ago for trafficking hashish from Morocco to Spain, and was locked up alongside Rachid Aglif, jailed for his role in the Madrid attacks.
At least 191 people were killed and thousands were injured when an al Qaeda-linked terror cell detonated bombs on commuter trains during the morning rush hour, making it the worst terror attack in Spain's history.
Es Satty's name also reportedly turned up in Operation Jackal, in which five extremists were convicted for recruiting young men around seaside towns south of Barcelona.
Es Satty and several of his fellow plotters had travelled between Spain and Morocco in recent months, as they worked on their attack plans.
Spanish officials are facing increasingly uncomfortable questions about why those involved were not on the radar of the intelligence services.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40990927
Look at some those ages... 17 and 18 and involved in terrorism.
These are basically children. Very easy to influence.
Spanish police have confirmed the identity of the driver suspected of killing 13 people in last week's attack in Barcelona.
He is 22-year-old Younes Abouyaaqoub, officials said, and the manhunt has been extended across Europe.
Authorities earlier said they could not rule out the possibility that he had slipped across the border to France.
Three images in El Pais newspaper allegedly show the man walking through La Boqueria market, wearing sunglasses, as he passes other people heading away from Las Ramblas.
Police say they are investigating the possibility that, some 90 minutes later, the suspect stabbed and killed a Spanish man and stole his car. He appears to have been alone at the time.
Two hours after the attack, 34-year-old Pau Pérez from Vila Franca was found dead in his vehicle. He is the 15th person confirmed dead following the two attacks.
Yep, so lucky. Could have been worse than Paris or Madrid if they detonated in the right place, like Las Ramblas.The police has found TATP in the Alcanar house, the same explosive that ISIS used in the Brussels airport bombing. I can't imagine the damage that they would have done with a truck full of that and gas bottles, taking into account that the explosions in the airport where the result of "only" a suitcase.
These are basically children. Very easy to influence.
Well they don't see them as people but as kuffar and enemy of the caliphate.Children or not you know ramming a car into people is wrong.
The chief suspect in last Thursday's Barcelona attack made his escape on foot to the outskirts of the city where he hijacked a car, Spanish police say.
CCTV footage in Spanish media appears to show him walking through a market district shortly after the attack.
A manhunt has been extended across Europe and police say he may be armed.
Some 90 minutes after mowing down dozens of people on the central Las Ramblas avenue, Abouyaaqoub fled to the city's university district, police say.
Abouyaaqoub is alleged to have hijacked the car before driving it through a police checkpoint and later abandoning the vehicle. Police say he may have crossed into France.
The male driver of the car, Pau Pérez, 34, from Vila Franca, was found stabbed to death in the back seat, becoming the 15th victim of the Barcelona bloodshed and a later attack in the resort of Cambrils.
At a news conference on Monday, officials also revealed there were "strong indications" that an imam suspected of radicalising the young men who carried out the attacks had died in an explosion at a house in Alcanar, south of Barcelona, that was being used as a bomb factory.
'Man shot' in Barcelona suspect hunt
Man reported shot west of Barcelona by police hunting driver in Thursday's van attack
Police in Catalonia have reportedly arrested Younes Abouyaaqoub, identified the probable driver of the van that killed 13 people on Barcelona's Ramblas last week, as the manhunt zeroed in on him as the last remaining fugitive from the terrorist cell.
According to a Spanish reports, he was shot by police while wearing an explosives belt. It is unknown whether it was real or false.
Police hunting the chief suspect in last Thursday's Barcelona van attack have shot dead a man in an area to the west of the city who appeared to be wearing an explosive belt.
The shooting is reported to have happened on a road in Subirats.
Earlier, police confirmed they were hunting for Younes Abouyaaqoub, 22, suspected of driving a van into dozens of people on Las Ramblas.
Police have not confirmed if the dead man was Abouyaaqoub.
Media reports quoting police sources said the man targeted in Subirats shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is Greatest") when confronted.
The operation took place some 25 miles (40km) from Barcelona, where Thursday's attack on Las Ramblas killed 13.
All I have read says that they were indeed integrated in their hometown, went to class to the local highschool, were friends with other local teenegers and several of them had normal jobs. That's why is baffling.
All I have read says that they were indeed integrated in their hometown, went to class to the local highschool, were friends with other local teenegers and several of them had normal jobs. That's why is baffling.
Ha, get fucked kid. Now squeal.
The article mentions he's dead.
He was wearing a fake bomb belt, so the police reacted accrdingly and filled him with lead.
So sad /s.
http://time.com/4913088/allah-las-rotterdam-concert-canceled-terror-threat/(THE HAGUE, Netherlands) — A rock music venue in the Dutch port city of Rotterdam says it has cancelled a concert by American group Allah-Las because of a "terror threat."
Concert organizer Rotown said on Twitter that Wednesday night's concert at the Maassilo venue was cancelled on orders of police.
Possible link with a terror threat here in Holland at the moment. Spanish police warned ours about a possible terror threat to a concert.
They found a van with Spanish plates with gas cylinders in the back. Spanish driver arrested. Police noticed him because he was driving back and forth multiple times.
http://time.com/4913088/allah-las-rotterdam-concert-canceled-terror-threat/
It's not sure yet if it was really going to be an attack. But it at least is very suspicious to have someone from Spain drive around like that after Spanish police tipped the local ones here. Investigation is still ongoing.Jeez. Thank fuck that was prevented. Always a lot of loss of life when they hit a music venue/highly packed venue.