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Those aren't tenants of athiesm, that's just a list of things some dude put together.

What are your tenants for not believing in all the religions you don't believe in?

 

[Principate]

Those aren't tenants of athiesm, that's just a list of things some dude put together.

What are your tenants for not believing in all the religions you don't believe in?

By creating a religion of nothingness! That list is hilarious.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Then aren't sarcastic trolling posts also frowned upon?

Where was the trolling? You made a statement, I wanted you to back it up.

2nd hit on that google search:
http://www.unitedstatesatheists.com/cgi-bin/page_display.cgi?page_nav_name=atheism101fK5

And? So you found a web page that is laying out a list of things for the person that wrote it. What does that have to do with our discussion. Don't you think it is a bit absurd to do what you are trying to do. Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in gods, thats it. If a person wants to add on some stuff to it then by all means do so, but it isn't atheism doing that.

3rd hit from that search:

https://carm.org/what-is-atheism

Just curious did you read this part:

"As I said, there is no definitive atheist organization that defines the absolutes of atheism, but there are basic principles that atheists, as a whole, tend to adopt. I've tried to list some of them below. Please note, however, that not all atheists accept all of these tenets. The only absolute common one to which they hold is that they do not believe in a God or gods."

The point being that a tenet is a principle or belief, ergo the principle or belief that there is no god, is functionally the same as a tenet. I'm just not buying into whatever vernacular people are using to try and 'disguise' it.

So there is only one 'tenent' then? Then why didn't you just say that from the start and not list shit that you know has nothing to do with it?

There is a range of beliefs or principles of atheism, just like there is a range of beliefs and principles for any religion that is out there. The mental gymnastics people are doing to try and say that atheism isn't an ideology is pretty ironic.

Wait, I'm confused now there is a range of beliefs or principles of atheism...I thought it was just the one.

Shit is embarrassing.

 

[Octavianus]

I've always found this as odd, maybe it's because I'm engineer and have a keen interest in physics, especially astro. but why are you basing your beliefs on those you perceive to be smarter than you. I can understand most of those theories and calculations, so I base my beliefs on what I understand of have deduced. But I can't understand putting your beliefs based on evidence you don't even understand.

Scientists aren't some infallible beasts and it's constantly changing, so I always recommend people going into the nitty gritty themselves.

Eh, I guess I should have worded that differently because it's not exactly what I meant by it.
The things I absolutely believe in are things I've observed and am capable of explaining in a somewhat capable fashion but I don't pretend to know everything I and recognize that there are people out there who know a whole lot more.
I'm not just going to take their word as fact when I can't verify what they're saying but some of it certainly sounds a lot more plausable to me than some book filled with rambelings that have been passed down through the ages, all of which might as well have been written by a bunch of neantherthals in comparison.

It's fine by me if someone else chooses to believe in those rambelings I suppose, but I'm not going to respect those believes nor will I ever go along with them.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

Where was the trolling? You made a statement, I wanted you to back it up.



And? So you found a web page that is laying out a list of things for the person that wrote it. What does that have to do with our discussion. Don't you think it is a bit absurd to do what you are trying to do. Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in gods, thats it. If a person wants to add on some stuff to it then by all means do so, but it isn't atheism doing that.



Just curious did you read this part:

"As I said, there is no definitive atheist organization that defines the absolutes of atheism, but there are basic principles that atheists, as a whole, tend to adopt. I've tried to list some of them below. Please note, however, that not all atheists accept all of these tenets. The only absolute common one to which they hold is that they do not believe in a God or gods."



So there is only one 'tenant' then? Then why didn't you just say that from the start and not list shit that you know has nothing to do with it?



Wait, I'm confused now there is a range of beliefs or principles of atheism...I thought it was just the one.

Shit is embarrassing.

The funniest part is that CARM is actually a Christian apolegetics website.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

The funniest part is that CARM is actually a Christian apolegetics website.

Thats one of the reasons why 'let me google that for you' is typically frowned upon.

But honestly the first paragraph is at the very least presenting a much more honest point of view than nel e nel.

Shall we have a look!?

The word atheism comes from the negative a which means ‘no,’ and theos which means ‘god.’ Hence, atheism in the most basic terms means ‘no god.’ Basically, atheism is the lack of belief in a god and/or the belief that there is no god. By contrast, theism is the belief that there is a God and that he is knowable and that he is involved in the world. Most atheists do not consider themselves anti-theists but simply non-theists.

How you get an ideology out of that is mind boggling to me. Where is the system of ideas or ideals there, where is the set of standards?

 

[Gorger]

Hey someone responded to the actual question of my OP, thanks kind stranger!

I dont regret letting my wife baptizing my kid, shes a baby it means nothing to her which is what matters really.But I commend your parents. Here is a tradition to baptize as well,

I would probably have been less lenient than you if I was in similar circumstances. Having tasted the fruits of a secular upbringing I doubt I would ever want to put my kids through religious rituals without their approval no matter how insignificant they were. Even though it's just a splash in the face (ok, that sounded weird) I am thankful my parents never did it to me. At least it's not a permanent unchangeable life altering tradition like circumcision where you leave a lasting religious imprint on your child before it's old enough to have any say in the matter.

My parents let me explore for myself, never did they tell me religion was wrong nor did they keep me away from attending religious activities. I actually didn't know my parents faith until I asked them myself when I was an adult. I remember once I volunteered for Bible courses at one of my friends parent, and never did they refuse me to go even though the mother was a crazy fundamentalist. Must have taken a lot of (excuse the pun) faith in me having someone else's parent trying to scare me religious with brimstone and hellfire once a week. Though.. in truth, it didn't have much impact on me, I was exclusively there for the delicious cookies and lemonade that was served beforehand, well worth the thirty minute sermon

 

[Jotaka]

Atheism is just the lack of believe in the existence of god(s). There is nothing more nothing less than that.

What most people confuse it with skepticism about the religions claims.

Many people (skeptics) assume the atheism position after the use of logic and the scientific method when analyse such claims.

 

[Chococat]

I guess I just don't see athiesm as a core part of who I am? What I meant by my previous comment is that religion means so little to me that I have literally no feelings one way or the other towards it. To me it's just something other people do. If me having to accommodate for other religions avoids potential family problems then whatever, as long as it doesn't have a direct impact on my day to day life then it doesn't bother me.

See, I agree with you to an extent. But from personal experience, not all religious people show me the same respect back.

A year ago, we had funeral for my husband's grandfather. He was a Catholic and a Knight's of Columbus, so logically it was a Church funeral. No problem. Bonus, I was going to see a Knights of Columbus ceremony. Cool.

You know what wasn't cool? In the middle of the ceremony when it was time to carry smoke pot and candle, I was informed that it was my duty to carry such things without my consent. Yes, I was polite and did it without a fuss for the memory of grandpa.

See, oldest daughter of grandpa asked her Christian kids to do it. There refused cause it wasn't part of their faith. She asked the Jewish son, but he too claimed religion as to why he could not do it. Knowning that me and my husbands were Atheists, they assumed we would do it without asking. If they asked, surely I would have accepted.

But they thought so little of my beliefs, I wasn't even deserving of the common curiosity of asking if I was okay with it. When I brought it several days later in private, they were aghast that miffed. "But it was for grandpa!" It wasn't the ceremony that offended me, it family total disregard my feelings when they went out of their way to ask everyone else. My feelings didn't matter, only those with religion did.

I'm tired of compromise for the families religious belief when it doesn't even occur to them that how they treat my disbelief comes off as disrespectful.

 

[Gravy Boat]

I don't know if it's been mentioned but it's worth pointing out that most atheists aren't anti-thiest. There's a difference between saying 'I believe there is no God' and 'I don't believe there is a god', and most atheists would fall into the latter camp. A lack of belief can't have tenants.

See, I agree with you to an extent. But from personal experience, not all religious people show me the same respect back.

A year ago, we had funeral for my husband's grandfather. He was a Catholic and a Knight's of Columbus, so logically it was a Church funeral. No problem. Bonus, I was going to see a Knights of Columbus ceremony. Cool.

You know what wasn't cool? In the middle of the ceremony when it was time to carry smoke pot and candle, I was informed that it was my duty to carry such things without my consent. Yes, I was polite and did it without a fuss for the memory of grandpa.

See, oldest daughter of grandpa asked her Christian kids to do it. There refused cause it wasn't part of their faith. She asked the Jewish son, but he too claimed religion as to why he could not do it. Knowning that me and my husbands were Atheists, they assumed we would do it without asking. If they asked, surely I would have accepted.

But they thought so little of my beliefs, I wasn't even deserving of the common curiosity of asking if I was okay with it. When I brought it several days later in private, they were aghast that miffed. "But it was for grandpa!" It wasn't the ceremony that offended me, it family total disregard my feelings when they went out of their way to ask everyone else. My feelings didn't matter, only those with religion did.

I'm tired of compromise for the families religious belief when it doesn't even occur to them that how they treat my disbelief comes off as disrespectful.

That's a very fair justification for your point of view. I've luckily never had an experience like that so I guess that's why our views on the matter differ. My family is a whole is somewhat religious, and although I've never explicitly told them I'm atheist, they seem to know that it's just not something I'm interested in. So if I ever do need to go to mass for a wedding of funeral or what have you, they don't question it when I just sit there, as opposed to standing/kneeling/going for communion like everyone else.

 

[Novocaine]

It would have been easier to simply accept the gift and throw them away later. Or keep them stored away for your child to decide what to do with when they are old enough to make that kind of decision.

 

[nel e nel]

Thats one of the reasons why 'let me google that for you' is typically frowned upon.

But honestly the first paragraph is at the very least presenting a much more honest point of view than nel e nel.

Shall we have a look!?



How you get an ideology out of that is mind boggling to me. Where is the system of ideas or ideals there, where is the set of standards?

The same way you get an ideology out of the belief that there IS a god.

Honesty implies that I'm lying, I'm not lying, I just disagree with you.

Just because there isn't some organized 'church' of atheism, doesn't mean there aren't guiding principles that people have developed to live by. AKA, an ideology.

As for your initial response:

It is, would you mind informing me of the tenets of atheism, I must have misplaced them.

So, you agree with me, but then ask me to prove my point, and then make a sarcastic reply about having lost your tenets? And turn around to disagree with me for several posts?

 

[Astral Dog]

Meh, you already married a religious person with a more religious family, a bible as a baby is nothing, enjoy the fun that will come, but also try to respect their fun too.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Calling Atheism a belief is cute as if It's some kind of religion itself. It's simply thinking belief in any kind of GOD is entirely without merit.

 

[Stallion Dan]

I think it's a crime parents are allowed to mutilate their childs penis. Religious reasons or not.

 

[Sethista]

See, I agree with you to an extent. But from personal experience, not all religious people show me the same respect back.

A year ago, we had funeral for my husband's grandfather. He was a Catholic and a Knight's of Columbus, so logically it was a Church funeral. No problem. Bonus, I was going to see a Knights of Columbus ceremony. Cool.

You know what wasn't cool? In the middle of the ceremony when it was time to carry smoke pot and candle, I was informed that it was my duty to carry such things without my consent. Yes, I was polite and did it without a fuss for the memory of grandpa.

See, oldest daughter of grandpa asked her Christian kids to do it. There refused cause it wasn't part of their faith. She asked the Jewish son, but he too claimed religion as to why he could not do it. Knowning that me and my husbands were Atheists, they assumed we would do it without asking. If they asked, surely I would have accepted.

But they thought so little of my beliefs, I wasn't even deserving of the common curiosity of asking if I was okay with it. When I brought it several days later in private, they were aghast that miffed. "But it was for grandpa!" It wasn't the ceremony that offended me, it family total disregard my feelings when they went out of their way to ask everyone else. My feelings didn't matter, only those with religion did.

I'm tired of compromise for the families religious belief when it doesn't even occur to them that how they treat my disbelief comes off as disrespectful.

That story and how you felt is how I feel too, I dont care about the baptism in itself, or the gifts in itslef as I explained already, it was the idea that when I said anything about it, they demanded respect, and they wanted to put them in a place to make sure it was a part of the day to day of my kid.

And I think its funny when people say that me asking for my kid to not go through some rituals is selfish and agressive, when I already agreed to so much, as to not make a fuss. I try very hard to do things that mean nothing for me, but now is not only my beliefs that I need to trample, is the education of my kid. Its not about me anymore.

 

[Gravy Boat]

The same way you get an ideology out of the belief that there IS a god.

Honesty implies that I'm lying, I'm not lying, I just disagree with you.

Just because there isn't some organized 'church' of atheism, doesn't mean there aren't guiding principles that people have developed to live by. AKA, an ideology.

There aren't. What guiding principles do you have for not believing in all the religions that you don't believe in? NOT tenants of your faith, tenants for not believing in other faiths. Because that's what you're asking us to demonstrate so if you could give us an example then that'd be great.

Like I said before, there are thousands of religions, and the only difference between me as an atheist and you as a (presumably) religious person, is that I believe in one less than you. So following your logic, you should have tenants for all the other ones that you don't believe in.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Just because there isn't some organized 'church' of atheism, doesn't mean there aren't guiding principles that people have developed to live by. AKA, an ideology.

I still don't fully understand what aligns atheists together.

I read those links you posted, and it all comes across as a mess. Most of which, being written by people who are Deists.

 

[ajfoucault]

Respecting and loving other humans regardless of their beliefs should be a priority for both Christians and Atheists. That way we will all be able to live in harmony.

 

[Akainu]

I just realized the op is Sethista I thought it was some religious crap. lol

Shouldn't have let them do it in the first place.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

The same way you get an ideology out of the belief that there IS a god.

Honesty implies that I'm lying, I'm not lying, I just disagree with you.

Just because there isn't some organized 'church' of atheism, doesn't mean there aren't guiding principles that people have developed to live by. AKA, an ideology.

As for your initial response:



So, you agree with me, but then ask me to prove my point, and then make a sarcastic reply about having lost your tenets? And turn around to disagree with me for several posts?

It really isn't that difficult. There are no set of ideals or ideas concerning atheism, none. There are when it comes to humanism, skepticism, etc. which many atheists also adhere to. You seem to be getting it all mixed together and just want to somehow label atheism as the same as those that are religious. By all means, go ahead.

You said that atheism is an ideology, which by that definition means it should have a set of standards or set of ideals/ideas. What are they?

If I said I do not believe in dragons, would that also be an ideology?

I still don't fully understand what aligns atheists together.

One thing, a lack of a belief in god or gods.

You know what aligns all theists together? A belief in god or gods.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Can you be an atheist and a scientologist?

 

[Octavianus]

That story and how you felt is how I feel too, I dont care about the baptism in itself, or the gifts in itslef as I explained already, it was the idea that when I said anything about it, they demanded respect, and they wanted to put them in a place to make sure it was a part of the day to day of my kid.

And I think its funny when people say that me asking for my kid to not go through some rituals is selfish and agressive, when I already agreed to so much, as to not make a fuss. I try very hard to do things that mean nothing for me, but now is not only my beliefs that I need to trample, is the education of my kid. Its not about me anymore.

If anything I think it's selfish and agressive to force a kid through all kinds of religious ceremonies. Wait untill the kid is old enough to decide if he/she wants to baptise or mutilate its genitals, otherwise he's going through them fo the person forcing him down that path and not for himself.

 

[Gorger]

I think it's a crime parents are allowed to mutilate their childs penis. Religious reasons or not.

Yep. The religious excuse has no say when we condemn girls being circumcised as abuse and mutilation, but for young boys it's suddenly fine. It has never made any sense to me.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Can you be an atheist and a scientologist?

Do Scientologists believe in god/s? If so, then you cannot be. If they don't, then you can.

 

[Gorger]

Can you be an atheist and a scientologist?

I believe so. Scientology is a set of beliefs, not a worship of deities.

 

[waypoetic]

Atheism is just the lack of believe in the existence of god(s). There is nothing more nothing less than that.

What most people confuse it with skepticism about the religions claims.

I think they confuse it with humanism sometimes as well. But most theists i talk to have no idea what humanists actually "believe in" or value. Atheism is, like you said, nothing more "i don't believe in god(s)". There are atheists who think that the moonlanding was fake, that believe in ghosts, that are totally cool with homeopathy etc etc.

 

[Ishida]

Should have dressed her up in a little devil outfit. You also should have worn a devil outfit and carried a science textbook to knock away the unwelcome gifts.

Be sure to let the family members know that you feel like religious gifts are inappropriate, and that they should respect your rights as a parent to ask them not to give those types of thing to your child.

Wow. It seems that in order to be an Atheist you MUST also be a complete jackass. Or at least thats what I've learned on GAF.

 

[DoktorEvil]

One thing, a lack of a belief in god or gods.
You know what aligns all theists together? A belief in god or gods.

But with theists, the dogmas and clear hierarchical leadership are defined by their interpretation of God and whom they align their belief in God with.

All three major religions acknowledge God, they acknowledge Jesus.

Is there more unifying atheists than a disbelief in God? Shared philosophy? Shared ethics? Shared morality?

It's a genuine question. There are different denominations in Judaism and Islam, but they all have commonalities among the larger religion.

 

[Jinkies]

You went farther than I ever would for my partner (in an alternate universe where I would have a child with someone religious).

So please, feel vindicated in where you stand. Worship is not entitled to your unbridled respect nor tolerance.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

The same way you get an ideology out of the belief that there IS a god.

Honesty implies that I'm lying, I'm not lying, I just disagree with you.

Just because there isn't some organized 'church' of atheism, doesn't mean there aren't guiding principles that people have developed to live by. AKA, an ideology.

If there are people out there claiming to have a list of things atheists believe and agree to, they're lying or are just plain arrogant. People who are atheists can come from all backgrounds and have all sorts of different viewpoints, the only thing that ties them together is they are absent a belief in a god.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Is there more unifying atheists than a disbelief in God? Shared philosophy? Shared ethics? Shared morality?

No, nothing. None of those have anything to do with atheism.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god or gods. That is all, nothing else. Some atheists eat pork, some do not. Some atheists do drugs and drink, some do not. Some atheists are pro-choice, some aren't. Some atheists are heterosexual, others aren't. None of it has anything to do with atheism.

It's a genuine question. There are different denominations in Judaism and Islam, but they all have commonalities among the larger religion.

That is because those are religions, atheism is not a religion, ideology, creed, philosophy, etc. Me telling you I'm an atheist, tells you one thing and one thing only. I lack a belief in gods, nothing more.

If there are people out there claiming to have a list of things atheists believe and agree to, they're lying or are just plain arrogant. People who are atheists can come from all backgrounds and have all sorts of different viewpoints, the only thing that ties them together is they are absent a belief in a god.

So what you are saying is that it is an ideology, I knew it!

 

[televator]

You know what? I'm getting older and just don't care anymore. The only fight worth having is the one against theocracy and broader social maladies. That's it. Don't put your religion into my laws and for the love of fuck stop mutilating genitalia that doesn't belong to you.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

No, nothing. None of those have anything to do with atheism.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god or gods. That is all, nothing else. Some atheists eat pork, some do not. Some atheists do drugs and drink, some do not. Some atheists are pro-choice, some aren't. Some atheists are heterosexual, others aren't. None of it has anything to do with atheism.

I think what ends up happening is that most atheists (at least in western society) adopt the golden rule as a core "philosophy", but mostly so they have a good come-back when a religious person asks the always stupid "well then why don't you just go around raping and killing everybody then, if there's no god?!"

 

[waypoetic]

Don't put your religion into my laws and for the love of fuck stop mutilating genitalia.

Hail Dawkins, brother!

Spoiler

Right?

 

[Hale-XF11]

I'd say that by marrying someone who's religious, you've entered a pact that says you're ok with everything that goes along with that. I mean, what did you expect?

 

[waypoetic]

I think what ends up happening is that most atheists (at least in western society) adopt the golden rule as a core "philosophy", but mostly so they have a good come-back when a religious person asks the always stupid "well then why don't you just go around raping and killing everybody then, if there's no god?!"

In the US where atheists are a minority it's not uncommon to see people join other atheists at conventions or "meetings" like the Oklahoma Freethought Convention, Skepticon, Apostacon etc. There's speakers from all over the US and sometimes from other parts of the world. Some have been life long atheists and some are former christians, muslims, whatever - like this guy, the former pastor Ryan Bell who's now a non-believer.

 

[Chococat]

I'd say that by marrying someone who's religious, you've entered a pact that says you're ok with everything that goes along with that.

No. I have plenty of married friends with different beliefs systems that get along perfectly fine. It is not for everyone, but it can be done. People compromise all the time in relationships.

Why do you automatically assume since she is Christian, he must convert to her belief? Why not assume since he is Atheist, she should give up her religion.

 

[Trey]

People are throwing around the term indoctrination like society itself is nothing but indoctrination.

If I bring my kid up to be an athlete, that's just as much indoctrination as if I told her that Jesus died for her sins.

 

[Hale-XF11]

No. I have plenty of married friends with different beliefs systems that get along perfectly fine. It is not for everyone, but it can be done. People compromise all the time in relationships.

Why do you automatically assume since she is Christian, he must convert to her belief? Why not assume since he is Atheist, she should give up her religion?

Well, clearly her and her side of the family assumed it was ok. Unless you establish clear boundaries before getting married, then naturally all kinds of assumptions will be made.

Compromising on a fundamental belief is not something I've ever done or will ever do. It's why I married someone with the same beliefs as me. It doesn't make any sense to me to marry someone who is on a very different path in life, but that's me.

 

[televator]

Hail Dawkins, brother!

Spoiler

Right?

IDK, I've stopped keeping up with all the BS meetings and I've had it with all the in fighting caused because no one seems to be able to agree about what things an atheist should believe. When in reality most of the fights are caused by libertarian atheists Vs. liberal atheists. So Dawkins, while I probably agree with him on many things, I probably disagree with him on quite a few other things as well. I've decided that I'll just be whatever kind of atheist suits me (which happens to be more liberal), and no one atheist figure truly speaks for me.

 

[waypoetic]

People are throwing around the term indoctrination like society itself is nothing but indoctrination.

If I bring my kid up to be an athlete, that's just as much indoctrination as if I told her that Jesus died for her sins.

Except her being an athlete is something beneficial to her health, her life in general and she can even make a living out of it.
Being fed the non-science of creationism and that she's a born sinner that needs to get right with this god fella' will most probably scar her for life and she might never be able to recuperate from all the haunting nightmares about hell - like many former christians; now atheists feel.

 

[Chococat]

Well, clearly her and her side of the family assumed it was ok. Unless you establish clear boundaries before getting married, then naturally all kinds of assumptions will be made.

An her side of the family is wrong to assume that they can inject as much of their belief as they want into his house hold. That is why he put his foot down.

Compromising on a fundamental belief is not something I've ever done or will ever do. It's why I married someone with the same beliefs as me.

Seriously, good for you. You thought it through and stood by your convictions.

The OP is standing by his. He married a women who he knew to be religious, and he is atheist. They personal came to a understanding that they felt comfortable to marry each other. On the topic of religion, her family needs to simple stay out of it.

 

[waypoetic]

So Dawkins, while I probably agree with him on many things, I probably disagree with him on quite a few other things as well.

I was only joking about the whole Dawkins-thing. It's satyrical, seeing as some theists believe that we actually "worship" the man or blindly follow him or whatever. I just find it hilarious that they actually see him as "our leader", a former evolutionary biologist...

 

[AnathemicOne]

Not sure why you agreed to Baptism if you don't want the child to be religious. Even though Baptism is the first step you know what it represents right?

Spoiler

The parental promise/oath to raise the child into the religion.

Not saying it's impossible to raise your child the way you want, but it's going to be an uphill battle from here (depends how adamant your wife is concerning it).

Then aren't sarcastic trolling posts also frowned upon?

2nd hit on that google search:

http://www.unitedstatesatheists.com/cgi-bin/page_display.cgi?page_nav_name=atheism101fK5



3rd hit from that search:

https://carm.org/what-is-atheism



The point being that a tenet is a principle or belief, ergo the principle or belief that there is no god, is functionally the same as a tenet. I'm just not buying into whatever vernacular people are using to try and 'disguise' it.

There is a range of beliefs or principles of atheism, just like there is a range of beliefs and principles for any religion that is out there. The mental gymnastics people are doing to try and say that atheism isn't an ideology is pretty ironic.

The fuck am I reading? I regret attempting to read this thread through now. People actually believe Athiests have a doctrine and/or tenant system? You gotta be fucking joking.

There is only one requirement in atheism and that's in the word itself "A - Theist", "Not a Theist," "Lack of belief in a God(s)." Get the fuck out with doctrine and tenants.

 

[ohhthegore]

Then aren't sarcastic trolling posts also frowned upon?

2nd hit on that google search:

http://www.unitedstatesatheists.com/cgi-bin/page_display.cgi?page_nav_name=atheism101fK5



3rd hit from that search:

https://carm.org/what-is-atheism



The point being that a tenet is a principle or belief, ergo the principle or belief that there is no god, is functionally the same as a tenet. I'm just not buying into whatever vernacular people are using to try and 'disguise' it.

There is a range of beliefs or principles of atheism, just like there is a range of beliefs and principles for any religion that is out there. The mental gymnastics people are doing to try and say that atheism isn't an ideology is pretty ironic.

Dafuq is this shit

 

[quesalupa]

So, uh, what's this talk of mutilating genitalia? Is my penis okay?!

 

[Chococat]

So, uh, what's this talk of mutilating genitalia? Is my penis okay?!

Male circumcises at birth is primarily done for religious reasons, not a medical necessity.

 

[DeaviL]

IDK, I've stopped keeping up with all the BS meetings and I've had it with all the in fighting caused because no one seems to be able to agree about what things an atheist should believe. When in reality most of the fights are caused by libertarian atheists Vs. liberal atheists. So Dawkins, while I probably agree with him on many things, I probably disagree with him on quite a few other things as well. I've decided that I'll just be whatever kind of atheist suits me (which happens to be more liberal), and no one atheist figure truly speaks for me.

It's logical that Atheist groups don't work really.
We share a common disbelieve, not a common belief.

Our believes are personal and highly subjective.

 

[Gaz_RB]

So, uh, what's this talk of mutilating genitalia? Is my penis okay?!

Nah its all fucked up man. Most of it isn't even there.