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[king zell]

More precisely it's...

USA: 185,679
USA/JP: 501,145

... with Nintendo publishing in Europe and continued US sales, Symphonia GC should match ToD2J in the end.

that would be cool.. let's hope we see the rumored Legendia soon

.........................

GC is not doing too good in US.. but at least they will have there best Holiday season ever in Japan (RE4, Mario Tennis, Naruto3, Super Robot Wars, MP6)

 

[B E N K E]

Soul4ger... They could do both couldn't they? I don't think they're doing anything wrong with relying on their established franchises, they just need a few new ones to attract a wider audience. And at the same time they aren't tapping into Pokémon enough with the Gamecube. It's half passed one here, maybe my arguements are getting fuzzy?

 

[Soul4ger]

Soul4ger... They could do both couldn't they? I don't think they're doing anything wrong with relying on their established franchises, they just need a few new ones to attract a wider audience. And at the same time they aren't tapping into Pokémon enough with the Gamecube. It's half passed one here, maybe my arguements are getting fuzzy?

Right, like they don't get panned enough for the Pokémon games they do release. "OMG MILK!" As I alluded to, though perhaps didn't say, they're in a position right now where they can't do anything right.

 

[jarrod]

Mario, Zelda, DK & Pokemon are still a pretty strong brands... I think Nintendo could do just as well with a DKC style revival as with something entirely new... Zelda looks like it might fit the bill but I'm worried it might get ignored with the next gen hype ready to wind up. :/

 

[SantaC]

Mario, Zelda, DK & Pokemon are still a pretty strong brands... I think Nintendo could do just as well with a DKC style revival as with something entirely new... Zelda looks like it might fit the bill but I'm worried it might get ignored with the next gen hype ready to wind up. :/

I guess it's out of the picture that the next Zelda could get a summer 2005 release and avoid the next gen hype?

 

[Soul4ger]

Mario, Zelda, DK & Pokemon are still a pretty strong brands... I think Nintendo could do just as well with a DKC style revival as with something entirely new... Zelda looks like it might fit the bill but I'm worried it might get ignored with the next gen hype ready to wind up. :/

It definitely won't get ignored, but is has no chance of producing the kind of hype that OoT did.

 

[SantaC]

It definitely won't get ignored, but is has no chance of producing the kind of hype that OoT did.

mainly because OoT was the first Zelda in 3D, and the first console Zelda since lttp

 

[jedimike]

September should be exciting...

titles >100k

Madden PS2
Madden XB
ESPN PS2
ESPN XB
Fable
SW: Battlefront PS2
SW: Battlefront XB
Burnout 3 PS2
Burnout 3 XB
Def Jam PS2
Def Jam XB
Donkey Konga
Pikmin 2


Possibles...

Kingdom Under Fire
Gradius V
Sly 2
Tiger Woods PS2
Shark Tale GC (j/k..haha)

 

[sonycowboy]

Mario, Zelda, DK & Pokemon are still a pretty strong brands... I think Nintendo could do just as well with a DKC style revival as with something entirely new... Zelda looks like it might fit the bill but I'm worried it might get ignored with the next gen hype ready to wind up. :/

I don't particulary think they should change their internal publishing much at all, except to speed it up. They're still the best 1st party in terms of quality and their franchises are still gold.

What they need is true 3rd party support. I don't think it's an accident that 3rd parties jumped ship for Sony back in 94 and haven't come back. The time for mending fences is long past and they need to work out arrangements with publishers for equal support and the occasional exclusive. They tried with Capcom, but you need more than one publisher and this generation had already been decided.

 

[explodet]

September should be exciting...

titles >100k

Don't forget Pikmin 2!

 

[SantaC]

September should be exciting...

titles >100k

Madden PS2
Madden XB
ESPN PS2
ESPN XB
Fable
SW: Battlefront PS2
SW: Battlefront XB
Burnout 3 PS2
Burnout 3 XB
Def Jam PS2
Def Jam XB
Donkey Konga


Possibles...

Kingdom Under Fire
Gradius V
Sly 2
Tiger Woods PS2
Shark Tale GC (j/k..haha)

add pikmin 2

 

[jedimike]

Don't forget Pikmin 2!

Sorry, I must have missed it on Ebgames coming soon list.

 

[Soul4ger]

mainly because OoT was the first Zelda in 3D, and the first console Zelda since lttp

I know. There are things to consider. But the argument could be made that this is the first true "mature" Zelda, or at least the first one since MM/OoT, which puts it at five years. Which is just as long as the gap between ALttP-OoT. The hype just isn't going to be as big, and that's the general trend with Nintendo franchise games.

 

[jarrod]

September should be exciting...

titles >100k

Madden PS2
Madden XB
ESPN PS2
ESPN XB
Fable
SW: Battlefront PS2
SW: Battlefront XB
Burnout 3 PS2
Burnout 3 XB
Def Jam PS2
Def Jam XB
Donkey Konga


Possibles...

Kingdom Under Fire
Gradius V
Sly 2
Tiger Woods PS2
Shark Tale GC (j/k..haha)

Don't forget Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green... it'll top everything.

 

[explodet]

Sorry, I must have missed it on Ebgames coming soon list.

No worries, easy mistake to make - it was actually released in August, but it missed the August NPD (go figure).

Guh, Pokemon's out in September, along with Fable, Burnout and Def Jam? Going to be a big month.

 

[SantaC]

I know. There are things to consider. But the argument could be made that this is the first true "mature" Zelda, or at least the first one since MM/OoT, which puts it at five years. Which is just as long as the gap between ALttP-OoT. The hype just isn't going to be as big, and that's the general trend with Nintendo franchise games.

Yes but you have to consider that even though Zelda:WW didn't sell nearly as much as OoT it passed 3 million worldwide back in March 2004.

Zelda is still huge.

 

[sonycowboy]

September should be exciting...

titles >100k

Madden PS2
Madden XB
ESPN PS2
ESPN XB
Fable
SW: Battlefront PS2
SW: Battlefront XB
Burnout 3 PS2
Burnout 3 XB
Def Jam PS2
Def Jam XB
Donkey Konga


Possibles...

Kingdom Under Fire
Gradius V
Sly 2
Tiger Woods PS2
Shark Tale GC (j/k..haha)

Here are the top 20 from last Sept:
---------------------------------------------

Format	Title	Sept 2003
PS2	MADDEN NFL 2004	469,977
GBA	FINAL FANTASY TACTICS	203,088
PS2	TIGER WOODS PGA 2004	178,547
PS2	SOUL CALIBUR II	164,325
GCN	SOUL CALIBUR II	138,902
PS2	GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE	114,894
XBX	SOUL CALIBUR II	111,061
XBX	ESPN NFL FOOTBALL	108,512
XBX	MADDEN NFL 2004	105,499
PS2	SOCOM W/O HEADSET	99,090
GBA	POKEMON PINBALL: R&S	97,984
XBX	WWE RAW 2: RUTHLESS	97,045
PS2	NASCAR THUNDER 2004	87,316
PS2	ESPN NFL FOOTBALL	86,078
PS2	NCAA FOOTBALL 2004	84,922
GCN	WWE WRESTLEMANIA XIX	77,391
PS2	GRAND THEFT AUTO 3	68,517
XBX	TIGER WOODS PGA 2004	66,125
PS2	TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR4	60,599
PS2	NHL 2004	56,873

In addition to the games you listed, Tiger Woods for Xbox (as well as PS2) should make it. The two pokemon games.

Possibles:
------------------
???


Won't Make It:
------------------
Kingdom Under Fire (too unknown)
Gradius (most retro's don't have a shot)
Sly Cooper (loved by many, but 100k is a lot to sell and the first one needed GH to really make it)
Star Ocean

Given Madden & ESPN's numbers Xbox vs PS2, what will probably be the most interesting numbers are again those games and how the Xbox vs PS2 versions fare as well as PS2 vs Xbox Burnout 3. In the UK ,where Sony has an even bigger advantage than here in the US, the first week's breakdown was 43% vs 57%.

 

[jarrod]

I don't particulary think they should change their internal publishing much at all, except to speed it up. They're still the best 1st party in terms of quality and their franchises are still gold.

Actually I disagree... Mario Sunshine and The Wind Waker were both hurt by being rushed out the door imo. Nintendo's new mantra of "smaller simpler games faster" has sort of blown up in their faces, they'd be better off with the delayed blockbusters of the N64 era.

What they need is true 3rd party support. I don't think it's an accident that 3rd parties jumped ship for Sony back in 94 and haven't come back. The time for mending fences is long past and they need to work out arrangements with publishers for equal support and the occasional exclusive. They tried with Capcom, but you need more than one publisher and this generation had already been decided.

Agreed to an extent but Japanese firms were actually on board pretty early and seemingly wanted Nintendo to succeed... cartridge overhead was the main reason 3rd parties avoided N64, Nintendo just needs to work on a viable game buying market and the 3rd parties will follow (though they should definitely cut deals to get the big boys on board early).

 

[Soul4ger]

Yes but you have to consider that even though Zelda:WW didn't sell nearly as much as OoT it passed 3 million worldwide back in March 2004.

Zelda is still huge.

Not disagreeing with you at all. Just saying the games don't have the impact they did. Nintendo games sell well, I never said otherwise, better than a majority, but the market for them is shrinking. And while the third-parties continue to migrate away from the GC, that spells nothing but d00m.

 

[jarrod]

In addition to the games you listed, Tiger Woods for Xbox (as well as PS2) should make it. The two pokemon games.

DBZ Buu's Fury (GBA) also. Astro Boy deserves to but it'll never happen.

 

[explodet]

Hmmm, WWE Day of Reckoning should do pretty well, although probably not more than 100K.

 

[SantaC]

Actually I disagree... Mario Sunshine and The Wind Waker were both hurt by being rushed out the door imo. Nintendo's new mantra of "smaller simpler games faster" has sort of blown up in their faces, they'd be better off with the delayed blockbusters of the N64 era.

Nintendo is making the new Zelda GCN in a 2 year span again. It will be interesting how it will come out quality wise.

 

[Justin Bailey]

Nintendo is making the new Zelda GCN in a 2 year span again. It will be interesting how it will come out quality wise.

They already have the engine built for it so they don't need nearly as much time as before.

 

[SantaC]

They already have the engine built for it so they don't need nearly as much time as before.

I know. That's definitley a plus.

 

[jarrod]

Nintendo is making the new Zelda GCN in a 2 year span again. It will be interesting how it will come out quality wise.

Well, Majora's Mask was done in 1.5 years and it's the best Zelda evar!! I guess we'll see...

Pikmin 2's jump in quality and scope is a good sign though imo. EAD's had a rocky generation...

 

[SantaC]

Well, Majora's Mask was done in 1.5 years and it's the best Zelda evar!! I guess we'll see...

Pikmin 2's jump in quality and scope is a good sign though imo. EAD's had a rocky generation...

agreed.

 

[Meier]

Damn... where's bunkum with our Nintendo numbers!

 

[NWO]

And while the third-parties continue to migrate away from the GC, that spells nothing but d00m.

And which third parties are moving away from the Cube?

 

[Soul4ger]

And which third parties are moving away from the Cube?

Sega, for one, apparently. I'd say Capcom has trimmed back its support as well, and Burnout 3 definitely didn't turn up on the GC. Of course, you have the usual suspects that mean very little (Acclaim, Eidos, Midway, etc.). And then other companies are satisfied with releasing some of their games four to six after other versions, when no one cares (UbiSoft).

 

[Subitai]

Man, the PS2 shortage must be pretty bad. I wonder if we'll see a bounce to 500k next month from pent up demand.

Football is still just growing in general. EA has finally decided to do its own fantasy league. I personally think it's because every year there is a perception each team in the league has a chance at making the playoffs, and that keeps fans with the poorer franchises much more interested.

 

[SantaC]

Sega, for one, apparently. I'd say Capcom has trimmed back its support as well, and Burnout 3 definitely didn't turn up on the GC. Of course, you have the usual suspects that mean very little (Acclaim, Eidos, Midway, etc.). And then other companies are satisfied with releasing some of their games four to six after other versions, when no one cares (UbiSoft).

I agree with you on sega and ea, but I fail to see that Capcom has trimmed back its support.

 

[Soul4ger]

I agree with you on sega and ea, but I fail to see that Capcom has trimmed back its support.

RE4 is a big one, but they got trapped on that way back when. If they had to do things now, do you think it would be a GC-exclusive, even if it does end up just being timed? The two Mega Man games, and VJ2, are brilliant, actually, but beyond that, there's nothing, and neither of those are exclusive. And the one is worse/not as good on the GC. Of course, Capcom is pretty much abandoning Xbox, too, but the support and excitement aren't there like they once were.

 

[TheGreenGiant]

Acclaim

come back to the REAL world.

 

[Soul4ger]

come back to the REAL world.

I didn't say they mattered. Or still existed.

 

[bunkum]

Here's a few 1st party #'s to be getting on with, the rest tomorrow afternoon.

MICROSOFT

XBX AMPED 2 $96,311 4,111
XBX AMPED: SNOWBOARDING $18,204 987
XBX AZURIK: RISE PERATHIA $2,132 129
XBX BLINX: TIME SWEEPER $35,080 2,162
XBX BLOOD WAKE $12,084 805
XBX BRUTE FORCE $96,386 5,045
XBX COUNTER STRIKE $446,714 21,337
XBX CRIMSON SKIES: HIGH $404,423 13,533
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO DISK $1,654 546
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 2 $2,654 921
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 3 $1,813 341
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 4 $2,806 482
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 5 $30,934 5,256
XBX FUZION FRENZY $330,924 16,878
XBX GRABBED BY GHOULIES $36,360 2,201
XBX HALO $2,652,439 88,488
XBX KAKUTO CHOJIN $416 20
XBX KUNG FU CHAOS $15,226 908
XBX LINKS 2004 $191,075 8,282
XBX MECH ASSAULT $259,888 12,748
XBX MIDTOWN MADNESS 3 $149,505 7,825
XBX MLB INSIDE PITCH 2003 $15,251 893
XBX MUSIC MIXER $139,300 6,935
XBX NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2002 $1,201 131
XBX NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2003 $4,779 367
XBX NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2004 $44,855 2,070
XBX NFL FEVER 2002 $1,314 87
XBX NFL FEVER 2003 $4,394 410
XBX NFL FEVER 2004 $37,250 2,544
XBX NHL RIVALS 2004 $36,576 1,787
XBX NIGHTCASTER $4,665 423
XBX ODDWORLD: MUNCH $12,004 847
XBX PHANTASY STAR I & II $17,234 641
XBX PROJECT GOTHAM 2 $473,381 15,972
XBX PROJECT GOTHAM RACING $149,762 7,546
XBX QUANTUM REDSHIFT $6,874 493
XBX RALLISPORT CHALLENGE $27,147 1,437
XBX RALLISPORT CHALLENGE2 $307,932 10,206
XBX SHENMUE 2 $20,229 1,454
XBX SNEAKERS $6,522 572
XBX SUDEKI $822,944 16,526
XBX TAO FENG: FIST LOTUS $38,828 2,239
XBX TOP SPIN $314,273 10,517
XBX VOODOO VINCE $37,874 2,475
XBX WHACKED $10,177 616


NINTENDO OF AMERICA

GBA ADVANCE WARS $957 66
GBA ADVANCE WARS 2: BLACK $208,770 10,748
GBA BOMBERMAN CLASSIC $41,381 2,333
GBA DISNEYS MAGICAL QUEST $7,196 371
GBA DONKEY KONG CLASSIC $336,298 21,089
GBA DONKEY KONG COUNTRY $658,971 34,367
GBA EXCITEBIKE CLASSIC $131,787 8,167
GBA F-ZERO MAX VELOCITY $3,510 272
GBA FINAL FANTASY TACTICS $429,889 12,825
GBA FIRE EMBLEM $329,766 10,820
GBA FOR HO-OH BELLS TOLL! $182,025 9,134
GBA GAME & WATCH GALLERY4 $8,871 426
GBA GOLDEN SUN $811 57
GBA GOLDEN SUN: LOST AGE $145,193 7,472
GBA HAMTARO: HEARTBREAK $30,703 1,098
GBA HAMTARO:HAM-HAM GAMES $539,804 17,858
GBA ICE CLIMBER CLASSIC $40,745 3,028
GBA JOHTO PHOTO FINISH $275,505 13,816
GBA KIRBY: NIGHTMARE $419,860 13,408
GBA MARIO & LUIGI SAGA $572,956 18,747
GBA MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 $1,092,249 35,889
GBA MARIO GOLF ADVANCE $859,098 28,139
GBA MARIO KART: CIRCUIT $443,205 14,479
GBA MARIO VS. DONKEY KONG $1,193,527 37,842
GBA METROID FUSION $121,500 3,825
GBA METROID ZERO MISSION $478,030 15,912
GBA PAC-MAN CLASSIC $203,448 11,226
GBA POKEMON PINBALL: R&S $136,527 4,503
GBA POKEMON RUBY $1,633,618 49,041
GBA POKEMON SAPPHIRE $1,306,960 39,613
GBA SUPER MARIO ADVANCE $156,270 5,188
GBA SUPER MARIO ADVANCE 2 $680,085 21,769
GBA SUPER MARIO CLASSIC $687,811 40,182
GBA SWORD OF MANA $142,499 4,597
GBA WARIO LAND 4 $1,203 68
GBA WARIOWARE INC: MEGA $81,200 2,561
GBA XEVIOUS CLASSIC $26,300 1,466
GBA YOSHI'S ISLAND:MARIO3 $266,088 8,522
GBA ZELDA CLASSIC $503,986 28,727
GBA ZELDA: LINK TO PAST $548,475 17,995

GCN 1080 AVALANCHE $85,745 2,067
GCN ANIMAL CROSSING $466,005 15,375
GCN CUSTOM ROBO $561,439 14,091
GCN DISNEY MAGICAL MIRROR $38,304 2,074
GCN ETERNAL DARKNESS $33,382 1,935
GCN F-ZERO GX $174,100 8,992
GCN FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL $338,868 6,931
GCN KIRBY AIR RIDE $205,461 4,204
GCN LUIGI'S MANSION $306,018 15,376
GCN MARIO GOLF: TOADSTOOL $421,664 13,996
GCN MARIO KART: DOUBLE $1,297,581 27,034
GCN MARIO PARTY 4 $96,033 2,197
GCN MARIO PARTY 5 $745,076 15,001
GCN METROID PRIME $283,452 14,128
GCN NBA COURTSIDE 2002 $6,570 672
GCN PIKMIN $71,581 3,652
GCN POKEMON CHANNEL $86,072 3,131
GCN POKEMON COLOSSEUM $1,045,701 21,263
GCN PREVIEW DISC $4,102 488
GCN STAR FOX ADVENTURES $121,484 5,953
GCN SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE $442,082 14,865
GCN SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE $1,151,505 38,328
GCN WARIO WORLD $79,514 2,766
GCN WARIOWARE INC: PARTY $194,646 6,560
GCN WAVE RACE: BLUE STORM $13,283 508
GCN ZELDA: FOUR SWORDS $1,517,783 31,955
GCN ZELDA: THE WIND WAKER $323,738 6,543


SONY

PS2 AMPLITUDE $22,267 992
PS2 ARC THE LAD: TWILIGHT $49,679 2,100
PS2 ATHENS 2004 $1,392,817 34,468
PS2 ATV OFF ROAD FURY $77,498 3,965
PS2 ATV OFF ROAD FURY 2 $147,320 4,189
PS2 COOL BOARDERS 2001 $1,690 155
PS2 DARK CLOUD $26,974 1,405
PS2 DARK CLOUD 2 $42,341 1,453
PS2 DOWNHILL DOMINATION $48,034 1,676
PS2 DRAKAN: ANCIENTS GATE $7,555 508
PS2 EXTERMINATION $4,474 350
PS2 EYE TOY $554,893 11,727
PS2 EYE TOY:GROOVE W/CMRA $125,775 2,694
PS2 EYE TOY:GRVE W/O CMRA $62,394 2,113
PS2 FANTAVISION $3,294 455
PS2 FINAL FANTASY XI W/HD $795,503 8,352
PS2 FORMULA ONE 2001 $22,843 1,374
PS2 FREQUENCY $4,452 427
PS2 GRAN TURISMO 3:A-SPEC $298,455 15,065
PS2 HOT SHOTS GOLF 3 $168,525 8,576
PS2 HOT SHOTS GOLF FORE! $2,243,741 56,089
PS2 ICO $31,520 2,658
PS2 JAK AND DAXTER:LEGACY $124,286 6,517
PS2 JAK II $367,412 9,247
PS2 JAMPACK SPRING 2004 T $55,460 9,989
PS2 JAMPACK SUMMER 2001 $181 69
PS2 JAMPACK SUMMER 2002 $1,257 334
PS2 JAMPACK SUMMER 2003 M $4,776 1,007
PS2 JAMPACK SUMMER 2003 T $2,121 776
PS2 JAMPACK WINTER 2001 $1,134 250
PS2 JAMPACK WINTER 2002 E $2,521 1,110
PS2 JAMPACK WINTER 2002 M $479 118
PS2 JAMPACK WINTER 2003 M $9,202 1,774
PS2 JAMPACK WINTER 2003 T $15,659 3,216
PS2 JET LI: RISE TO HONOR $238,848 6,025
PS2 JET X20 $13,659 786
PS2 KINETICA $9,396 776
PS2 MLB 2004 $11,643 477
PS2 MLB 2005 $964,793 24,363
PS2 MONSTERS INC $3,645 126
PS2 MY STREET $30,257 1,442
PS2 NBA SHOOTOUT 2001 $876 139
PS2 NBA SHOOTOUT 2003 $7,199 632
PS2 NBA SHOOTOUT 2004 $29,736 1,186
PS2 NCAA FINAL FOUR 2001 $1,386 216
PS2 NCAA FINAL FOUR 2002 $1,745 213
PS2 NCAA FINAL FOUR 2003 $4,374 389
PS2 NCAA FINAL FOUR 2004 $20,963 1,034
PS2 NCAA GAMEBREAKER 2001 $287 44
PS2 NCAA GAMEBREAKER 2003 $6,517 684
PS2 NCAA GAMEBREAKER 2004 $14,743 848
PS2 NFL GAMEDAY 2001 $44 8
PS2 NFL GAMEDAY 2002 $1,678 190
PS2 NFL GAMEDAY 2003 $8,310 871
PS2 NFL GAMEDAY 2004 $20,419 879
PS2 NHL FACEOFF 2001 $2,179 303
PS2 NHL FACEOFF 2003 $5,607 479
PS2 OKAGE: SHADOW KING $17,091 1,411
PS2 PARAPPA THE RAPPER 2 $3,786 211
PS2 PRIMAL $24,692 1,024
PS2 RATCHET & CLANK $302,215 15,312
PS2 RATCHET & CLANK:GOING $486,486 12,367
PS2 SIREN $96,691 2,457
PS2 SLY COOPER & THIEVIUS $139,215 7,873
PS2 SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS $467,060 9,441
PS2 SOCOM W/O HEADSET $214,174 10,807
PS2 SOCOM:SEALS W/HEADSET $24,779 723
PS2 STITCH:EXPERIMENT 626 $3,581 131
PS2 SYPHON FILTER: OMEGA $296,595 6,016
PS2 THE GETAWAY $141,876 7,060
PS2 THE MARK OF KRI $22,026 1,744
PS2 TREASURE PLANET $9,717 602
PS2 TWISTED METAL BLACK $53,495 2,784
PS2 WAR OF THE MONSTERS $25,521 1,213
PS2 WILD ARMS 3 $16,886 979
PS2 WORLD TOUR SOCCER 2K2 $410 32
PS2 WORLD TOUR SOCCER 2K3 $9,968 555
PS2 WORLD TOUR SOCCER 2K5 $185,445 5,099

 

[Prine]

Green smilie for Xbox, what a month!!! Geez, who would have though eh?

And its great to see KOTOR back in the Xbox top ten ;D Hope it hits 800k by the end of this year!

GO BIOWARE!

 

[snapty00]

I can't speak for anybody else (especially mainstream consumers...although I guess I have so-called "mainstream tastes" to an extent), but here's why I personally don't buy into Nintendo's stuff much, anymore: too many long-running franchises.

I know some people will cry bloody murder, but I don't really care about most of Nintendo's games because most of them have Mario and other Nintendo-branded characters in them. That alone turns me off from them. I guess if I were a Mario fan, I'd be in Heaven with Nintendo's systems, but I'm not. I do like Metroid, but that's more of a fluke because I wasn't introduced to that as early as I was Mario, Zelda, etc.

I don't like that 1.) these franchises are old and stale, and 2.) that there are SO many of them. Is it good for Nintendo that these franchises have lasted so long? I guess so. But that doesn't really help me.

Nintendo has become so predictable. Before GameCube was released, I knew basically 80% of Nintendo's line-up before it was ever announced. New Mario? New Zelda? New F-Zero? New Donkey Kong? New Pokemon? New Metroid? New Smash Bros.?

 

[AniHawk]

September should be exciting...

titles >100k

Madden PS2
Madden XB
ESPN PS2
ESPN XB
Fable
SW: Battlefront PS2
SW: Battlefront XB
Burnout 3 PS2
Burnout 3 XB
Def Jam PS2
Def Jam XB
Donkey Konga
Pikmin 2


Possibles...

Kingdom Under Fire
Gradius V
Sly 2
Tiger Woods PS2
Shark Tale GC (j/k..haha)

Donkey Konga will not break 100k for September.

 

[NWO]

Sega, for one, apparently. I'd say Capcom has trimmed back its support as well, and Burnout 3 definitely didn't turn up on the GC. Of course, you have the usual suspects that mean very little (Acclaim, Eidos, Midway, etc.). And then other companies are satisfied with releasing some of their games four to six after other versions, when no one cares (UbiSoft).

So basically your answer is nobody that you can put your finger on that has said that they are cutting support except the Acclaim, Eidos, Midway trio.

Sega has cut back on Xbox support APPARENTLY. I haven't seen titles like Shenmue II, JSRF, TJ&E3, PDO, etc support from Sega lately so they *must* be turning away from the Xbox....

Capcom has just released their Cube games on the PS2 as well. That's not really cutting back support. That would be exclusive support they are cutting but they are still supporting them. Its not like you see a lot of Capcom games appearing on the Xbox....

Burnout 3 that's 1 title from EA and its centered on online. I'd suspect you will see more online titles not appear on the Cube or this is just one of those freak things not on the system like Def Jam not appearing on the Xbox but the sequel will.

Acclaim is out of business so they won't be supporting anybody.....Eidos will probably follow....and Midway said they were stopping support yet they are releasing at least 2 titles that were announced for the Cube. So who knows with them.

Saying 3rd parties are dropping support on the Cube is so 2002.

 

[Sagitario]

 

[TheGreenGiant]

Here's a few 1st party #'s to be getting on with, the rest tomorrow afternoon.

XBX MICROSOFT

XBX HALO $2,652,439 88,488

GCN NINTENDO

SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE $1,151,505 38,328

amazing how these monsters still sell after launch. No matter what you guys say about xbox sales numbers - non big titles on the box just don't even move anything (see GBTG); I don't see that installed base reflected in the sales of the game numbers. I reckon everyone's chipping the box to death and copying the games to the harddrive.

 

[TheGreenGiant]

I can't speak for anybody else (especially mainstream consumers...although I guess I have so-called "mainstream tastes" to an extent), but here's why I personally don't buy into Nintendo's stuff much, anymore: too many long-running franchises.

I know some people will cry bloody murder, but I don't really care about most of Nintendo's games because most of them have Mario and other Nintendo-branded characters in them. That alone turns me off from them. I guess if I were a Mario fan, I'd be in Heaven with Nintendo's systems, but I'm not. I do like Metroid, but that's more of a fluke because I wasn't introduced to that as early as I was Mario, Zelda, etc.

I don't like that 1.) these franchises are old and stale, and 2.) that there are SO many of them. Is it good for Nintendo that these franchises have lasted so long? I guess so. But that doesn't really help me.

Nintendo has become so predictable. Before GameCube was released, I knew basically 80% of Nintendo's line-up before it was ever announced. New Mario? New Zelda? New F-Zero? New Donkey Kong? New Pokemon? New Metroid? New Smash Bros.?

sequelitis on all consoles will make all brand names old.

Paper Mario/Prime and the New Zelda will all garner heaps of adoration and love and for good reason. And ey, Donkey Kong is not in a Dong Kong type of game.

And yeah, you don't care. I can live with that. I personally didn't pick up Mario Golf/Party/Kart... the offshot genres don't interest me that much. Nintendo does their classic titles very well and the gameplay experience is class. You read like someone who is unwilling to play great games because of characters. That's not Nintendo's problem.

Um. Xbox Halo 2. RSC 2. Amped 2. All consoles have sequels

And PS2. I don't even want to go there.

What's your beef again? I see Nintendo.

 

[Subitai]

Microsoft LTD

XBX HALO 3,528,480
XBX PROJECT GOTHAM RACING 1,174,130
XBX MECH ASSAULT 641,668
XBX NFL FEVER 2002 588,789
XBX AMPED: SNOWBOARDING 538,470
XBX FUZION FRENZY 508,345
XBX BRUTE FORCE 459,738
XBX ODDWORLD: MUNCH 408,010
XBX PROJECT GOTHAM 2 405,898
XBX COUNTER STRIKE 357,273
XBX NFL FEVER 2003 344,423
XBX CRIMSON SKIES: HIGH 343,684
XBX BLOOD WAKE 331,320
XBX RALLISPORT CHALLENGE 287,118
XBX BLINX: TIME SWEEPER 283,291
XBX TOP SPIN 241,492
XBX NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2002 220,141
XBX NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2003 181,277
XBX NFL FEVER 2004 170,150
XBX SHENMUE 2 166,734
XBX MIDTOWN MADNESS 3 161,256
XBX TAO FENG: FIST LOTUS 151,152
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO DISK 144,358
XBX AZURIK: RISE PERATHIA 138,082
XBX MUSIC MIXER 140,806
XBX LINKS 2004 140,127
XBX KUNG FU CHAOS 121,161
XBX AMPED 2 118,608
XBX NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2004 90,584
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 2 89,652
XBX RALLISPORT CHALLENGE2 81,058
XBX NIGHTCASTER 73,293
XBX GRABBED BY GHOULIES 71,086
XBX PHANTASY STAR I & II 67,935
XBX QUANTUM REDSHIFT 63,297
XBX MLB INSIDE PITCH 2003 62,269
XBX SUDEKI 58,443
XBX SNEAKERS 52,930
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 3 51,083
XBX WHACKED 50,589
XBX NHL RIVALS 2004 49,125
XBX VOODOO VINCE 46,680
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 4 35,527
XBX KAKUTO CHOJIN 27,669
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 5 18,111

 

[Prine]

Cockles, Damage Control babies please


Subital, i know its not often said. But i appreciate XBX ltd numbers you post. Keep it up!


LTD for Star Wars:Knights of the Old Republic 752,635

YAY!

 

[Soul4ger]

So basically your answer is nobody that you can put your finger on that has said that they are cutting support except the Acclaim, Eidos, Midway trio.

Sega has cut back on Xbox support APPARENTLY. I haven't seen titles like Shenmue II, JSRF, TJ&E3, PDO, etc support from Sega lately so they *must* be turning away from the Xbox....

Capcom has just released their Cube games on the PS2 as well. That's not really cutting back support. That would be exclusive support they are cutting but they are still supporting them. Its not like you see a lot of Capcom games appearing on the Xbox....

Burnout 3 that's 1 title from EA and its centered on online. I'd suspect you will see more online titles not appear on the Cube or this is just one of those freak things not on the system like Def Jam not appearing on the Xbox but the sequel will.

Acclaim is out of business so they won't be supporting anybody.....Eidos will probably follow....and Midway said they were stopping support yet they are releasing at least 2 titles that were announced for the Cube. So who knows with them.

Saying 3rd parties are dropping support on the Cube is so 2002.

See, you're wrong. I didn't say Japanese companies WEREN'T dropping Xbox support. Just that there was a push for people to make GameCube games for a while, and now it's completely fallen off. There was a lot of talk about Nintendo properties being farmed out to third-parties, and while F-Zero showed up, where are the other ones from Sega and Capcom? There were rumors about them, and even hints by the developers themselves. Do you see companies announcing five or six GameCube exclusive releases in a single night anymore? Saying "For the Future! For GameCube!" I don't. I don't doubt that GC third-party support will continue to trickle out, but I doubt it'll be anywhere near as exciting as it used to be. I could be wrong, part of that could just be that developers are starting to focus on the next-generation of systems. But I highly, highly doubt that.

Namco, however, continues to support the GC strongly. At least, they were/will be in North America (with Star Fox, Donkey Konga, Baten Kaitos, and Tales of Symphonia just dropping).

 

[AniHawk]

Super Smash Bros. Melee: 2,402,307
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!: 1,663,659
Super Mario Sunshine: 1,559,217
The Wind Waker: 1,490,722
Luigi's Mansion: 1,449,511
Metroid Prime: 1,181,831
Mario Party 4: 944,969
Star Fox Adventures: 771,293
Animal Crossing: 766,307
Mario Party 5: 736,480
Pokemon Colosseum: 652,165
Pikmin: 649,974
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour: 376,936
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: 368,321
Wave Race: 325,084
Kirby Air Ride: 284,950
Eternal Darkness: 271,736
F-Zero GX: 245,387
Wario World: 221,397
Four Swords Adventures: 235,017
Preview Disk: 170,157
NBA Courtside 2002: 157,390
Pokemon Channel: 150,490
Custom Robo: 130,476
Magical Mirror: 110,827
1080 Avalanche: 85,074
Wario Ware Inc: 82,395

Thanks bunkum.

Look for price drops for Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, and The Wind Waker this holiday season. Custom Robo's been selling at a surprisingly reasonably good clip after its debut of 50,000 in its first month.

I had no idea it was NPD day again. My comments were already said on the first page by other people, so I have no need to repeat them here.

 

[Subitai]

Cockles, Damage Control babies please


Subital, i know its not often said. But i appreciate XBX ltd numbers you post. Keep it up!


LTD for Star Wars:Knights of the Old Republic 752,635

YAY!

Thanks, but I can't do it without bunkum

Anyway, I'm surprised Counter-Strike did 21k this month while the rest of the MS titles slid. I'm guessing it is riding Tom Clancy's coat tails.

It is still a bust in my book. It should have been for XBL what SOCOM was for PS2 Online.

 

[Eric-GCA]

Can anyone post the numbers for the best selling third party software on the Gamecube for reference?

On another note, I'm still majorly dissapointed that Eternal Darkness didn't sell more than it did.

 

[Fularu]

Super Smash Bros. Melee: 2,402,307
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!: 1,663,659
Super Mario Sunshine: 1,559,217
The Wind Waker: 1,490,722
Luigi's Mansion: 1,449,511
Metroid Prime: 1,181,831
Mario Party 4: 944,969
Star Fox Adventures: 771,293
Animal Crossing: 766,307
Mario Party 5: 736,480
Pokemon Colosseum: 652,165
Pikmin: 649,974
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour: 376,936
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: 368,321
Wave Race: 325,084
Kirby Air Ride: 284,950
Eternal Darkness: 271,736
F-Zero GX: 245,387
Wario World: 221,397
Four Swords Adventures: 235,017
Preview Disk: 170,157
NBA Courtside 2002: 157,390
Pokemon Channel: 150,490
Custom Robo: 130,476
Magical Mirror: 110,827
1080 Avalanche: 85,074
Wario Ware Inc: 82,395

Thanks bunkum.

Look for price drops for Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, and The Wind Waker this holiday season. Custom Robo's been selling at a surprisingly reasonably good clip after its debut of 50,000 in its first month.

I had no idea it was NPD day again. My comments were already said on the first page by other people, so I have no need to repeat them here.

May I know why people never metion the 600k or so SMS sold with the bundle? It wasn't a free game... SMS is more like 2.1 million in the US (not counting canada japan europe)

 

[Chibbi Brady]

Yay for Four Swords. Looking forward to seeing how Pikmin 2 does. I'd expect it to at least match Pikmin's numbers. I know the original had a lot going for it, near launch title etc... but the almost universal praise for it's sequel might attract a few people who stayed away the first time.