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Avengers 2 and Superhero Fatigue

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Since the first Avenger movie I had no desire to watch another superhero movie. Watched Iron Man 3 yesterday and didn't enjoy it. Annoying oneliners and big explosions which do nothing but bore me now.
No interest in Thor 2 and Age of Ultron as of now though I'll probably get them on BluRay when I see them for cheap. Only movies I still like to see are Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy.
 
CyclopsRock said:
I don't entirely understand this. Personally I never read comic books as a cook, I don't know how anyone is, really. The only thing I know about the characters in these films is what's presented to me on the screen. I think this helps in not getting me quivering at the cock for the next installment, because they really are just like any other franchise to me. I don't feel the "hype train" because, whilst I hang about on GAF before E3 and read day after day people's expectations or leaked news, I don't do the same for super hero movies. So I'm not entirely sure how, unless you choose to surround yourself with it, you even notice the hype (except for the week or so before launch when the cast turns up on chat shows constantly).
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I assumed it would be the opposite. As someone who has always been a fan of comics/animated series seeing all this stuff come to life on the big screen is just amazing and I don't think I'll ever get tired of it but thought those who weren't as invested would.
 
I watched every Marvel movie that came out between Avengers 1 and Avengers 2 the day before Avengers 2 came out, and then saw Avengers 2. I'm ready to not watch another superhero movie for a long time.
 
I've been reading comics for a long time and absolutely love the fact that we're getting good live action adaptation. As long as the quality stays consistent I hope this last forever.
 
I always miss how in the early days, when Super Hero Movies were mostly made for origin stories. Like the first Spiderman movie, that one blew my mind when I saw it as a child. That was the movie to set the modern Super Hero blockbuster trend.
 
birthday-suit said:
I expect to like DC movies a lot better than Marvel.

Man of Steel was very cool.
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I'm the same boat. Despite their flaws, movies like TDK trilogy, MoS, and BvS are infinitely more interesting to me than anything Marvel's put out. Maybe because there are less of them and I haven't gotten tired of their darker tone yet. Marvel's formulaic, lighthearted CGI spectacles do absolutely nothing for me.
Maybe it's because I didn't read comic books growing up and don't have any particular attachment to any superheros.
 
Cuburt said:
Why has this thread become about the marketing instead of the movies now?
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For a lot of people, marketing is equally as important (if not moreso) than the content it's trying to sell.

There's a couple generations in the audience (if not three) that are the first in the history of the world to have been directly marketed to on a HUGE scale since they turned 5. You become a prized, valued demographic that early in life, you're going to become a bit of a marketing connoisseur whether you mean to or not.
 
I got tired of them before even the first Avengers. Watched all of them up until the first Captain America, I think it was, but just stopped after that. All of the ones I watched were enjoyable, but the formula did start to feel a bit samey. Wise cracks and big CG explosions. Yes, I know that's reductionist, but I think I just realized I didn't so much care about any of the characters despite being a casual comic book fan in my youth.

Also, the whole "this character movie is only a small piece of the set up for the upcoming dream team climax film in which nothing will really happen, either" concept doesn't gel with me. Maybe if I binge watched them on Netflix years later or something.
 
I don't get fatigue from Superhero movies, I get fatigue from bad movies. Age of Ultron was bad. It was a bunch of lights and sounds without any real direction. It introduced a ton of new characters and relationships and concepts instead of focusing on a decent core. The first Avengers wasn't a particularly smart movie, but it had a laser focus on the goal: Show how the Avengers interact and become a cohesive team. Age of Ultron doesn't have anything like that to drive forward the movie.
 
Helmholtz said:
I'm the same boat. Despite their flaws, movies like TDK trilogy, MoS, and BvS are infinitely more interesting to me than anything Marvel's put out. Maybe because there are less of them and I haven't gotten tired of their darker tone yet. Marvel's formulaic, lighthearted CGI spectacles do absolutely nothing for me.
Maybe it's because I didn't read comic books growing up and don't have any particular attachment to any superheros.
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For fuck's sake, Man of Steel is interesting in how bad it is and Batman vs Superman is a teaser.

Batman Begins and the Dark Knight are interesting movies, but seriously simplifying why they're interesting down to "they're dark and don't have too many jokes" is an incredible disservice. They are good, interesting movies because they have good, interesting ideas and film-making in them. A scene like the Joker confronting the mob for the first time means far more than Man of Steel pretentiously asserting Superman is a symbol of hope and guidance and leadership without actually showing any hope or guidance or leadership.

A movie's quality has jackshit to do with how dark and humorless or light and goofy it is.
 
Zefah said:
Also, the whole "this character movie is only a small piece of the set up for the upcoming dream team climax film in which nothing will really happen, either" concept doesn't gel with me. Maybe if I binge watched them on Netflix years later or something.
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Yeah, SHIELD disbanding in TWS sounded like it was going to be a huuuuge deal...and maybe it was, in the TV show.

But in AoU, all the heroes are together, functioning just fine without SHIELD. SHIELD even miraculously comes back and helps them!

It's really hard to get a feeling of consequences and stakes in these movies.
 
I don't understand how Whedon saying that Agents of SHIELD is not canon in the MCU is going to work out. If that's so why not just cancel it?
 
I don't read comics, I'm not into super heroes. I enjoy the movies but with my own pace. I can't handle their hype cycle and announcements of fifteen new super hero movies. I'll watch Avengers 2 on Netflix eventually and I'm sure I'll like it.
 
Hold to your butts, it's about to get bonkers!

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I'm not nearly as tired of superhero movies as I am of people complaining about how we should all be tired of superhero movies.
 
Ithil said:
Because he never said that.
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Well, what he said is that as far as he's concerned for the films Coulson is dead. But that conflicts with what's been happening on the show. With guest stars such as Sif and Fury and others in SHIELD who know the Avengers you'd think they'd eventually find out.
 
I'm not so fatigued as I am bored to be quite honest. But it's mainly the samey cookie cutter blockbusters year in and year out with the accompanied marketing hype machine that's fucking everywhere which is an extension of the whole superhero craze.

Not that it's any different than normal but still.
 
AoU was good mindless fun, but not a good movie. This was really highlighted after watching Daredevil and Days of Future Past. Both of those took/are taking the time to develop the characters, especially the villains. Instead of having some one dimensional character bent on absolute power or destroying the world, there's character development that shows why they believe the way they do and shows character progression.

I don't have superhero movie/show fatigue. I have cartoony superhero movie/show fatigue.
 
Wag said:
Well, what he said is that as far as he's concerned for the films Coulson is dead. But that conflicts with what's been happening on the show. With guest stars such as Sif and Fury and others in SHIELD who know the Avengers you'd think they'd eventually find out.
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No he just means that if Coulson just showed back up onscreen at the party in Avengers 2 then it would have robbed the meaning of his death and its impact on the Avengers. The show went out of its way to make his resurrection not an easy thing (and inflicted a huge mental toll on him) but the movie cannot assume that people have watched the show. So it's better all around to leave out of the movies.
 
I wouldn't say I'm fatigued of super hero movies completely, but walking out of avengers 2 made me want to be a little more selective. A2 was fine but I can't see myself going to ant man or gambit or dead pool unless they're like sleeper hits or something. Unless I'm already familiar with the character, the trailer grabs me, or they review well/word of mouth spreads, I'll probably wait until netflix/blu ray.
 
Anyone have sports movie fatigue? I mean, I know exactly what the plot is going to be before the movie starts. Everyone tells them they can't do it-and then at the end, they do it.

Am I The Only One Who __________?
 
As long as there's quality product coming out from the genre, I'll be there to watch it. Daredevil and Captain America Winter Soldier I think are terrific examples.
 
Ithil said:
I don't listen to Kanye West. I don't find myself "tired and fatigued" of Kanye West because he exists. I don't hear his music or see him, even if he is a major star.

I don't understand this notion that you "can't escape" it. What, you see a 20 second TV spot for a superhero movie during a commercial break and it's "Ah, I am fatigued!"? Or you see a superhero toy in a toy shop and it's "I can't escape it, it's all around me!".
Very melodramatic to me.
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I was at the bar the day after the Avengers came out with my two, not nerdy friends. A guy comes up to talk to us and they spend 30-45 minutes discussing Marvel. I just tune them out. When the guy leaves, I look at my friends in surprise. "Wow, I can't believe you guys stay caught up on that stuff". It turns out that they really weren't. They hadn't seen any of the movies they were talking about, or even knew what they were talking about. They just pretended they saw it. The sheer exposure element of these films is that high. People can't even remember whether they saw it or not. Either that, or people feel more out of place to admit they haven't seen it. Either way, you can see where I'm coming from.
 
Darryl said:
I was at the bar the day after the Avengers came out with my two, not nerdy friends. A guy comes up to talk to us and they spend 30-45 minutes discussing Marvel. I just tune them out. When the guy leaves, I look at my friends in surprise. "Wow, I can't believe you guys stay caught up on that stuff". It turns out that they really weren't. They hadn't seen any of the movies they were talking about, or even knew what they were talking about. They just pretended they saw it. The sheer exposure element of these films is that high. People can't even remember whether they saw it or not. Either that, or people feel more out of place to admit they haven't seen it. Either way, you can see where I'm coming from.
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Taking about something that they pretended seeing is very different from being overexposed to the point of not remembering if you saw something
 
Dalek said:
Anyone have sports movie fatigue? I mean, I know exactly what the plot is going to be before the movie starts. Everyone tells them they can't do it-and then at the end, they do it.

Am I The Only One Who __________?
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Sports movie fatigue=equal Kevin Costner fatigue.

How many time is he going to play the "gritty coach"?
 
Kurdel said:
Hold to your butts, it's about to get bonkers!

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Wow! I wonder how long this superhero bubble can be maintained? This is certainly growing into market saturation levels. By 2017 we are basically going to have a superhero movie every month. Then throw in the growing number of Superhero TV shows.

It is like the videogme industry on steroids. Instead of everyone wanting to make dude-bro shooters because of the Halo/COD/GoW cash cow, everyone is running to the superhero genre because it has seen such a high success rate.
 
Its not superhero fatigue. Its Marvel nonsense fatigue; great characters and really well made films but what the fuck their doing with the over arching plot I have no idea.

Avengers 2 felt like a side film tieing into something. It should be the main show; The Vision and gem stuff just seemed really odd and out of place.
 
They should make a superhero movie that's entirely post credits. That seems to be what people care about most, the commercial for the next movie.
 
I've honestly been feeling superhero fatigue since shortly after the first Avengers movie when they announced like 1000 different films in the works. I've posted that in the past.

That said, I'm currently renting all of the Phase 2 MCU movies that I haven't seen yet from Netflix DVD, so once I see those I'm gonna watch Avengers 2. I'm enjoying them again, which I attribute to taking a break.
 
CassidyIzABeast said:
90% of Marvel's movies are forgettable one time watches
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this is the problem for me.

I can't remember the last Marvel movie I was compelled to watch more than once on home video. Maybe the original Thor and Iron Man because their formulas were still pretty new.

The heavy-humor approach is what's wearing thin on me. For me it sort of robs the films of a certain amount of longevity.
 
Jonm1010 said:
Wow! I wonder how long this superhero bubble can be maintained? This is certainly growing into market saturation levels. By 2017 we are basically going to have a superhero movie every month. Then throw in the growing number of Superhero TV shows.

It is like the videogme industry on steroids. Instead of everyone wanting to make dude-bro shooters because of the Halo/COD/GoW cash cow, everyone is running to the superhero genre because it has seen such a high success rate.
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There were only about 3 to 5 superhero movies a year for the past few years. There were 15+ found footage movies in 2014 alone

The only reason it feels like so much is due to hype and marketing. Because other genres vastly outnumber superhero movies
 
Most of them are alright movies to watch while you have a hang over and then forget about the next day. Only a few stand out to me.
 
I'm not sure if it's Superhero fatigue as much as it is MCU-instant-blockbuster-formula fatique. They've basically just been madlibbing different heroes and villains into the exact same framework for eleven movies now, and it's getting really old.

There's a near infinite number of stories that could be told using Marvel property and characters, but they keep making the same safe choices and releasing the same safe movies each cycle because the most of the moviegoing public isn't interested in thinking critically about what they consume.

WHICH IS FINE, I'm not here to shit on anyone for enjoying something, but it does suck that Marvel isn't leaving any room for more interesting projects to be done with their work.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
this is the problem for me.

I can't remember the last Marvel movie I was compelled to watch more than once on home video. Maybe the original Thor and Iron Man because their formulas were still pretty new.

The heavy-humor approach is what's wearing thin on me. For me it sort of robs the films of a certain amount of longevity.
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How often do people go back and read comic books? I feel like the point isn't to rewatch the older movie, but to go to the next one instead.

Of course that doesn't work very well for movies, and is a better fit for TV to take that approach.

I feel the same really, no need to revisit any of them except maybe the winter solider at this point.
 
I guess there could be fatigue depending on what you like. Personally I'm really looking forward to everything Marvel Studios/Disney is doing, but I could care less about DC or the Fox owned franchises. So in that regard, I don't expect I'll get tired anytime soon.

Plus, you don't need to watch all of them, I may even skip Captain Marvel and Black Panther, since they're my least favorite characters from the ones getting solo movies.
 
davepoobond said:
How often do people go back and read comic books? I feel like the point isn't to rewatch the older movie, but to go to the next one instead.

Of course that doesn't work very well for movies, and is a better fit for TV to take that approach.

I feel the same really, no need to revisit any of them except maybe the winter solider at this point.
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I've never really bothered rereading boring, filler comic books ever, but I've gone back and read the books I love and think have actual creative merit tons of times. The same goes for movies. I've never bothered watching any of the MCU movies more than once, but I've certainly gone out of my way to watch other movies multiple times.

Someone on GAF has seen AoU five times already. Granted, he lives in Europe where it's been out for a week, and he has an unlimited movie subscription, but that still strikes me as absolute lunacy.
 
I've been bored with them for a while. Guardians of the Galaxy was good though. Most of these films just make me think, "Welp, that was that" after I see them and I pretty much don't ever think about them again.
 
More_Badass said:
There were only about 3 to 5 superhero movies a year for the past few years. There were 15+ found footage movies in 2014 alone

The only reason it feels like so much is due to hype and marketing. Because other genres vastly outnumber superhero movies
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Well found footage has lost its luster(if it really ever had any outside Blair Witch).

It is a lot though. When you add up the movies and TV Shows and the marketing is part of that. It is all sensory saturation.

I just think if we haven't seen the peak yet, the peak is probably coming. I don't think this level of content, can be maintained long term with the same interest levels.
 
I've just never been a comic book fan with the possible exception of Spawn so yeah, been sick of superhero films for a while. Still want to see Avengers 2 though, but other than that no other comic films has my interest until MAYBE the re-rebooted Spider-man flick (grew watching the 90s series, GOAT).
 
Jonm1010 said:
Wow! I wonder how long this superhero bubble can be maintained? This is certainly growing into market saturation levels. By 2017 we are basically going to have a superhero movie every month. Then throw in the growing number of Superhero TV shows.

It is like the videogme industry on steroids. Instead of everyone wanting to make dude-bro shooters because of the Halo/COD/GoW cash cow, everyone is running to the superhero genre because it has seen such a high success rate.
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1) is this the second time Fantastic Four is being rebooted? They are banking a lot on this. Are Sony really up for this?



Who is going to play Wolverine in Wolfie 3, and is X-Men Apocalypse a sequel to Days of Future Past?
I think Days of Future Past is one of the best superhero films I saw. The quicksilver sequence is genuinely one of the most impressive things I have ever seen on film!




And can you explain me what Sinister Six is? It has a Spider-Man logo so I seem the reboot of him is coming from this? and then there is a female spider-man and a venom movie, AND an amazing spider-man 3?:O Sony what in the fuck...




of everything there I might look the most forward to Lego Batman, if they can keep it up after LEGO Movie!
 
Vigilant Walrus said:
1) is this the second time Fantastic Four is being rebooted? They are banking a lot on this. Are Sony really up for this?



Who is going to play Wolverine in Wolfie 3, and is X-Men Apocalypse a sequel to Days of Future Past?
I think Days of Future Past is one of the best superhero films I saw. The quicksilver sequence is genuinely one of the most impressive things I have ever seen on film!




And can you explain me what Sinister Six is? It has a Spider-Man logo so I seem the reboot of him is coming from this? and then there is a female spider-man and a venom movie, AND an amazing spider-man 3?:O Sony what in the fuck...




of everything there I might look the most forward to Lego Batman, if they can keep it up after LEGO Movie!
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That chart seems out of date. Made before the whole Sony fiasco and Marvel acquiring Spider-man. I'm not sure if Sony's still going through with all those movies
 
I grew up with comics and cartoons as a kids and to see them turned into movies and TV shows is amazing but as time is going on im starting to dislike the Marvel made films more and more.

My major issue is the villains, they are appalling and weak. Its the same generic story and mickey mouse villain who delivers zero threat and also most of the movies are forgettable.

How can people cheerlead marvel movies with crack a joke Ultron or TV actor Mandarin but hate Fox current movies?

Hopefully DC or Fox bring the excitement back to comic movies
 
I really enjoyed the first Avengers one but Age of Ultron bored the shit out of me. We ended up walking out early. It felt like watching Transformers with the sassy robot villain and all the explosions and buildings collapsing and CG everything. Yawn. It didn't feel like a comic book movie, more like Michael Bay, as a few others have said in here.
 
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