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dubq said:
Except that you don't need to be an omnivore to live. Compassion, try it some time - it's infinitely preferable to shoving whatever you want down your gullet "just because you can."
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Except that it's fucking delicious and I don't give a shit about pigs, cows, or chickens.
 
CarpeDeezNutz said:
Like what?
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dubq said:
Yes: ones that don't involve the flesh of a sentient being.
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Sincere question, no dog-pile: if an animal were grown without a brainstem, unable to feel pain, would you be less morally opposed to it?

edit: ah, seeing some of the replies, you may not be back. Jesus guys, it's not like vegetarianism is some new shocking thing. You sound like late 80's comedians.

There are a lot of solid ethical reasons not to. As long as someone is getting their nutritional needs met, and don't deny their kids nutrients or something, then who tf cares.
 
Personal favourite: open-faced toasted rye bread with tomato, passata, chickpeas, onions, cumin, spinach and olive oil.

Simple, but fucking incredible.

Ishan said:
Humans = omnivores
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Because everything we've done historically is the right thing to do, right?
 
Sushi Nao said:
Sincere question, no dog-pile: if an animal were grown without a brainstem, unable to feel pain, would you be less morally opposed to it?

edit: ah, seeing some of the replies, you may not be back. Jesus guys, it's not like vegetarianism is some new shocking thing. You sound like late 80's comedians.

There are a lot of solid ethical reasons not to. As long as someone is getting their nutritional needs met, and don't deny their kids nutrients or something, then who tf cares.
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Sure it is but when you come into a thread about a BACON, egg, and cheese sandwich with a holier than thou attitude. These are the responses you will get.
 
YuriLowell said:
Sure it is but when you come into a thread about a BACON, egg, and cheese sandwich with a holier than thou attitude. These are the responses you will get.
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I think if people come into a thread about a topic on which they have a strong opinion, they should probably get a little better than two pages of immediate dismissal.
 
Sushi Nao said:
Sincere question, no dog-pile: if an animal were grown without a brainstem, unable to feel pain, would you be less morally opposed to it?
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It's nothing to do with morals. It's a simple question of efficiency, waste and logic. Even for meat/cheese: A single 200 gramme hunk of cheese likely needed at least tens of pints of water to be made (hydrating the cows and irrigating their feed), took tens of square meters of land (the land needed to grow the feed for the cow to eat for its entire life), caused gallons of methane to be pumped into the atmo, and needed hundreds of miles of transportation, packaging, energy for keeping them cool, etc. The exact same goes for meat. The same does not go for vegetables or legumes etc, which take a fraction the amount of "feed", space, packaging and transport. Even if you ate meat all-local, it still takes a thousand times the resources to rear it as it would some vegetables. With 7 billion people on the planet, it's not tenable. A vegetable-based diet has a tiny and infinitely less problematic footprint, especially as the number of people balloons.

You have to think like: for every bite I have of meat/dairy, how many resources have been pumped into, potentially wasted, and chucked into the atmosphere to create this one bite? Yeah it's fucking delicious, but it's not sustainable at all. It's the least efficient thing to eat. I wish I could eat pork all day. I fucking wish. It's delicious. But it's the wrong thing to do. And today, other alternatives are almost as good.

To answer your question directly: yeah, if we could efficiently grow the tissue 1:1 as it occurs in the animal, it would be absolutely fine. I'd be all over it. It would be efficient and ethical.

You know we almost have that now, right? Can't wait for the synthesised-meat future.
 
SomTervo said:
It's nothing to do with morals. It's a simple question of efficiency, waste and logic. Even for meat/cheese: A single 200 gramme hunk of cheese likely needed at least tens of pints of water to be made (hydrating the cows and irrigating their feed), took tens of square meters of land (the land needed to grow the feed for the cow to eat for its entire life), caused gallons of methane to be pumped into the atmo, and needed hundreds of miles of transportation, packaging, energy for keeping them cool, etc. The exact same goes for meat. The same does not go for vegetables or legumes etc, which you can get locally in any city and even grow yourself. A vegetable-based diet has a tiny and infinitely more ethical footprint.

You have to think like: for every bite I have of meat/dairy, how many resources have been pumped into, potentially wasted, and chucked into the atmosphere to create this one bite? Yeah it's fucking delicious, but it's not sustainable at all. It's the least efficient thing to eat. I wish I could eat pork all day. I fucking wish. It's delicious. But it's the wrong thing to do. And today, other alternatives are almost as good.

To answer your question directly: yeah, if we could efficiently grow the tissue 1:1 as it occurs in the animal, it would be absolutely fine. I'd be all over it. It would be efficient and ethical.

You know we almost have that now, right? Can't wait for the synthesised-meat future.
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I appreciate the answer. I'm a fan of farmed salmon, partly for this reason: it's got a 1.2 : 1 Feed Conversion Ratio.

So you're cool with insect protein too? I hear that's pretty efficient

YuriLowell said:
You are going to get dismissal with a holier than thou attitude.
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Mmm, or you could engage politely and gain some new perspective on a person, but you do you
 
Personally food doesn't taste that good to me unless it felt pain and suffering and fear.
 
Oh, and there's also a place near ours that does a vegan Scottish Square Sausage roll.

I went vegan four months ago, so I know my breakfast foods, and this vegan square sausage tastes nicer than the real thing. It is fucking mindblowing. The texture is better: crispier and crunchier; with exactly the same spicy-meat taste.

Sushi Nao said:
I appreciate the answer. I'm a fan of farmed salmon, partly for this reason: it's got a 1.2 : 1 Feed Conversion Ratio.

So you're cool with insect protein too? I hear that's pretty efficient
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Thanks for being reasonable, too.

Re insect protein: Yep, I just wish insect protein was more available over here.

Where did you get your numbers on farmed salmon? From what I've heard there's not a single kind of fish that's sustainably "farmed" - it all causes hefty damage to the local ecosystem. Salmon is meant to be one of the worst actually.

I'm curious about single hook and line fishing, though, if that's what you're talking about? I don't understand how that couldn't be sustainable AF.

Or and re your namesake, we home-made tofu and wild mushroom nori sushi the other day, it was incredible.
 
SomTervo said:
Oh, and there's also a place near ours that does a vegan Scottish Square Sausage roll.

I went vegan four months ago, so I know my breakfast foods, and this vegan square sausage tastes nicer than the real thing. It is fucking mindblowing. The texture is better: crispier and crunchier; with exactly the same spicy-meat taste.



Thanks for being reasonable, too.

Re insect protein: Yep, I just wish insect protein was more available over here.

Where did you get your numbers on farmed salmon? From what I've heard there's not a single kind of fish that's sustainably "farmed" - it all causes hefty damage to the local ecosystem. Salmon is meant to be one of the worst actually.

I'm curious about single hook and line fishing, though, if that's what you're talking about? I don't understand how that couldn't be sustainable AF.
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I farmed salmon for 12 years. 1.2 is a very realistic FCR from entry to harvest.

The bad press about salmon farming is propagated almost entirely by competitors for the market share, such as Alaskan wild salmon fisheries. The waste footprint of the farms is quite small, like smaller than the lease itself, which is usually a square km or so.

The ruthless tactics of anti-farmers is evident in the outright lies they use. "They inject them with dye," nope. "They're knowingly making people blind and giving them cancer," wtf nope. "They give the fish constant antibiotics," nope.

If they were to engage in good faith, sure, there's a conversation to be had about improving practices, but as it stands it's one of the most stringently regulated agriculture industries in Canada.

Unfortunately people first hear the bad headlines and decide based on that.
 
Sushi Nao said:
I think if people come into a thread about a topic on which they have a strong opinion, they should probably get a little better than two pages of immediate dismissal.
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I dont go into your salad tossing topic and tell you how yummy a bloody medium rare steak taste. I have a pretty strong opinion about that.


Dont tell me how bad i should feel about eating an animal in a thread about sandwich meats. Its effectively trolling.
 
Arthr2ShdsJcksn said:
I recommend ordering it with a hashbrown then, and layering it in there, Big Mac style.



I know where I'm taking my family on our next vacation now.
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Nah the biscuit bacon egg cheese is superior. Throw some honey or syrup on there if you want to sweeten it up a bit.
 
dubq said:
Except that you don't need to be an omnivore to live. Compassion, try it some time - it's infinitely preferable to shoving whatever you want down your gullet "just because you can."
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Where's your compassion for plant life? Or is it simply because you, as a human, do not find plant life to be cute and relatable?
 
Zefah said:
Where's your compassion for plant life? Or is it simply because you, as a human, do not find plant life to be cute and relatable?
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Plants don't have nervous systems, lol. I'm an omnivore, but this argument is silly and oddly enough, pretty common in these discussions.
 
Mmm for breakfast? I dunno OP, some mornings I'm not sure if my stomach is ready to take both bacon and cheese. Maybe if we're talking a real thin slice of cheese and bacon, but otherwise I'll have one or the other with egg and that'll do. I'm also big on replacing both with weirder stuff on some mornings, like a good bit of avocado.
 
Sushi Nao said:
Mmm, or you could engage politely and gain some new perspective on a person, but you do you
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If the person engaged in a conversation and brought some alternatives instead of just pissing down on everybody who eats meat from the get go then it wouldn't even be an issue. Works both ways.
 
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