DryEyeRelief
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Wait, did he just call Tekken girls generic?
My guess is that he just saw a couple of DOA screenshots and generalized all 3D fighters.
No offense to you DOA guys.
Wait, did he just call Tekken girls generic?
Wait, did he just call Tekken girls generic?
No offense taken.My guess is that he just saw a couple of DOA screenshots and generalized all 3D fighters.
No offense to you DOA guys.
About "hating breasts". It's funny you should say that. Because while I am attracted to women, I don't find breasts sexually attractive at all. In fact, I don't find wide hips sexually attractive, either. Which is great for me because I can complain about sexualization and large breasts and people will think that I'm just being an anti-objectification fanatic who doesn't like fanservice. No one suspects a thing, usually.
And it's true, I do think that women are unfairly represented. Apart from what I like and don't like, the fact that men are typically designed for utility and for reasons other than sex appeal, while women are usually designed for sex appeal is unfortunate. That being said, it's a lot easier to do so when such things personally don't appeal to you either, haha. They can put all the curvy women in video games they want to, and that won't every sexually excite me. If that's what they're going for.
Makes it really easy to look more moral than I am. Until people find out my ulterior feelings, and then I look like the opposite of moral. And then I look super selfish, creepy, lolicon, shallow, objectifying, and body policing. But it's fun while it lasts.
It's a ridiculous and STUPID reason, but I kinda have the same problem with that guy. He looks like a whimsical loser trying to hide behind some badass anarchy mask... that's probably exactly what Sucker Punch is going for here though and giving us the chance to become either the salt-of-the-earth-HERO-with-grown-balls OR the REALLY-badass-danger-for-mankind-antichrist... BUT will I be able to stand that guy long enough to see it?!?![]()
I cant stand the way the main character looks in second son and it's the main reason I will never buy the game.
Silliness isn't the charm of all fighting games. And significantly hurts the appeal of fighting games like Dead or Alive in comparison to Tekken.
And what about Arcana Heart, is too much cuteness wrong for a game? I probably feel in a similar fashion as you do when people are complaining about moe. I'd much rather see cuteness than sexualization.
And some fighting games aren't meant to be silly. Some of them have attempted to be semi serious martial arts games. The female characters, realistically, ought to be muscular just like the male characters. Like Makoto from Street Fighter. She looks like a capable fighter and isn't petite in comparison to her big muscular male counterparts.
Also, breasts bouncing is painful for women. Also, women with large breasts would be at a significant disadvantage in almost any sport, especially fighting. That's why you see few Olympic female athletes with large breasts. In fact, in many sports there's a tendency for many women to become completely flat chested or almost completely flat chested, because by continually pushing their bodies, they lose most body fat, including the body fat on the chest. It would be good for fighting games to reflect that, rather than to have the men have ridiculous six-packs, while the women have D cup breasts and slender stomach, arms and thighs.
I don't want the men in fighting games to have giant muscular pecs and arms and legs, and then the female characters have giant bouncing breasts, of non-muscular, fragile fat, a tiny stomach, tiny back, tiny arms, and tiny legs. That isn't the build of a strong female fighter.
I'd like to see more female characters built like Makoto.
About "hating breasts". It's funny you should say that. Because while I am attracted to women, I don't find breasts sexually attractive at all. In fact, I don't find wide hips sexually attractive, either. Which is great for me because I can complain about sexualization and large breasts and people will think that I'm just being an anti-objectification fanatic who doesn't like fanservice. No one suspects a thing, usually.
And it's true, I do think that women are unfairly represented. Apart from what I like and don't like, the fact that men are typically designed for utility and for reasons other than sex appeal, while women are usually designed for sex appeal is unfortunate. That being said, it's a lot easier to do so when such things personally don't appeal to you either, haha. They can put all the curvy women in video games they want to, and that won't every sexually excite me. If that's what they're going for.
Makes it really easy to look more moral than I am. Until people find out my ulterior feelings, and then I look like the opposite of moral. And then I look super selfish, creepy, lolicon, shallow, objectifying, and body policing. But it's fun while it lasts.
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I agree. I do hate that females with bigger busts are scrutinized.Your post just sounds like you have a superiority complex. Sorry, but your sexual preferences aren't more "moral" than others just on account you're more attracted to smaller breasted women, and I'm sure big breasted women just love the stigma of "not being cute" and being sexualized.
I find the attitude of small boobs= real and proper, while above average boobs= objectifying, sexist, etc kind of gross and it far too often manisfests its self in the real world. Why is it that a small chested woman can wear an outfit and be looked at as "cute" and "innocent", while a large breasted woman couldn't dare wear the same outfit without feeling stigmatized as being "dirty" "slutty", etc? Making a distinction between one body type being "proper" and anything that isn't that being "not proper" is a real issue.
Also can we please just throw out the notion of "realism" being an actual thing in fighting games When you have characters with flaming skulls, hearts coming out of chests, lizard people, etc. A female fighter having above average breasts shouldn't be some huge outlier on the "realism" scale. Would I like to see more realistically muscular proportions on female fighters? Sure, but that doesn't mean I find every fighting game character that deviates from that "realistic" preset to be some gross abomination. Or deserves criticism on account of "not being real." The notion that fighting games need to succumb to natural rules and laws seems kind of silly.
And just some anecdotal experience, women seem to enjoy and play fighting games more than any other genre I know, and not once have I ever had a female friend feel awkward or offended as a result of any female fighter, in fact they gravitate more towards those characters than others, or they are telling me how hot Killik and MItsirugi are and persist to stip them down to their underwear. Sexualization goes both ways, and anybody who tries to deny that is just being naive and trying to earn brownie points. So this issue just always comes across as men wanting to be the "moral" and "sexist" police for women and it just comes across as being super phony.
You don't like big boobs, than fine. You want more female fighters to be grounded in reality, than fine. But don't play some moral highground to justify your personal biases, as if they are somehow more right.
Aye.
Compare Maria Renard's (as a child) art from Harmony of Despair (done by Ayami Kojima, who is responsible for what was arguably the series' most recognizable artwork) and Judgement, (from Obata, responsible for Death Note's art)
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Well, I disagree and I think you misunderstand me. But at least you didn't worse things.Your post just sounds like you have a superiority complex.
Well, you're certainly very correct about that.Sorry, but your sexual preferences aren't more "moral" than others
I don't think there is real and proper. Women come in all shapes and sizes.I find the attitude of small boobs= real and proper, while above average boobs= objectifying, sexist, etc kind of gross and it far too often manisfests its self in the real world.
I don't know that that's the case. If a small breasted or flat chested women wore some very showing or revealing clothing, and a video game gave a lot of camera attention to her chest, I think it would very much be seen as sexual, rather than just "cute".Why is it that a small chested woman can wear an outfit and be looked at as "cute" and "innocent", while a large breasted woman couldn't dare wear the same outfit without feeling stigmatized as being "dirty" "slutty", etc?
I don't think that any body type is proper or improper. That would be body policing.Making a distinction between one body type being "proper" and anything that isn't that being "not proper" is a real issue.
C'mon Hyperbole! dyamnYeah, that looks like complete trash.
Kojima's Maria on the other hand is incredible. One of my favorite game related images.
You certainly wouldn't find a character like Leo in Dead or Alive.
You're right that fighting games don't have to be realistic. And much of the stuff in games doesn't many any more sense that women with jiggling E cups being just as strong as the characters without jiggling E cups.Also can we please just throw out the notion of "realism" being an actual thing in fighting games When you have characters with flaming skulls, hearts coming out of chests, lizard people, etc. A female fighter having above average breasts shouldn't be some huge outlier on the "realism" scale.
Well, I never said anything about such fighting games being a gross abomination.Would I like to see more realistically muscular proportions on female fighters? Sure, but that doesn't mean I find every fighting game character that deviates from that "realistic" preset to be some gross abomination. Or deserves criticism on account of "not being real." The notion that fighting games need to succumb to natural rules and laws seems kind of silly.
Well, at least you don't think I'm a terrible person for not being into big boobs.You don't like big boobs, than fine.
Wow, that looks real. That's CG? Honestly though, this is thread is very subjective.
This had me loling, I love that people forget that.Eliot came before Leo.
Man Eggman sexcii as fuck, leave his gold nipples alone!Robotnik was never a looker but
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Well, I never said anything about such fighting games being a gross abomination.
I'm quite looking forward to buying Vanguard Princess on Steam. And it has more jiggle physics than almost any fighting game.
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That's not the issue, though. The issue is that not only large-breasted women are disproportionately featured in fighting games (and arguably in other types of games as well), but they are not remotely believable large-breasted women. Their breasts are often exaggeratedly large (not even D or E cup, but even bigger, sometimes their breasts are way larger than their heads), they invariably sport massive cleavage or skintight outfits and a lot of attention is drawn on their breasts, and very few large-breasted women are super skinny with a wasp-sized waist yet this is pretty much all you see in terms of large-breasted women in games. If games featured female characters with large breasts and believably proportioned bodies to match, it wouldn't be so annoying.I find the attitude of small boobs= real and proper, while above average boobs= objectifying, sexist, etc kind of gross and it far too often manisfests its self in the real world. Why is it that a small chested woman can wear an outfit and be looked at as "cute" and "innocent", while a large breasted woman couldn't dare wear the same outfit without feeling stigmatized as being "dirty" "slutty", etc? Making a distinction between one body type being "proper" and anything that isn't that being "not proper" is a real issue.
lol? It really doesn't, not on a consistent basis. In a minority of games at very best. What an absurd claim. Men are not remotely sexualized to the same degree as women are, not in games, not in any media. I get that this doesn't bother you, but enough with the denials of reality already please?Sexualization goes both ways,
Yeah... no. But thanks for calling me phony because I find Ivy and Taki to be absurd and gross and how much better they'd look if they had more normal proportions. e_eand anybody who tries to deny that is just being naive and trying to earn brownie points. So this issue just always comes across as men wanting to be the "moral" and "sexist" police for women and it just comes across as being super phony.
Yeah, that looks like complete trash.
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Kojima's Maria on the other hand is incredible. One of my favorite game related images.
That's not the issue, though. The issue is that not only large-breasted women are disproportionately featured in fighting games (and arguably in other types of games as well), but they are not remotely believable large-breasted women. Their breasts are often exaggeratedly large (not even D or E cup, but even bigger, sometimes their breasts are way larger than their heads), they invariably sport massive cleavage or skintight outfits and a lot of attention is drawn on their breasts, and very few large-breasted women are super skinny with a wasp-sized waist yet this is pretty much all you see in terms of large-breasted women in games. If games featured female characters with large breasts and believably proportioned bodies to match, it wouldn't be so annoying.
See also: http://eschergirls.tumblr.com/ -- which is a good fit for the OP, really, though the blog is mostly oriented towards comics. Still, examples from games are featured every now and then.
lol? It really doesn't, not on a consistent basis. In a minority of games at very best. What an absurd claim. Men are not remotely sexualized to the same degree as women are, not in games, not in any media. I get that this doesn't bother you, but enough with the denials of reality already please?
Yeah... no. But thanks for calling me phony because I find Ivy and Taki to be absurd and gross and how much better they'd look if they had more normal proportions. e_e
The newest Assassin's Creed protagonist looks baaaad:
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With each game they keep going back and forth between a more realistic and a more cartoonish style, landing somewhere near an unhappy medium.
lol I gotchu.Sarah (Virtua Fighter 5)
Redemption in Dead or Alive 5:
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The newest Assassin's Creed protagonist looks baaaad:
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With each game they keep going back and forth between a more realistic and a more cartoonish style, landing somewhere near an unhappy medium.
Are y'all just pretending to hate big boobs or something? I'd understand scantily clad women being weird in a game like the Last of Us, but in fighting games I don't really see the big deal. Silliness is part of the charm.
lol? It really doesn't, not on a consistent basis. In a minority of games at very best. What an absurd claim. Men are not remotely sexualized to the same degree as women are, not in games, not in any media. I get that this doesn't bother you, but enough with the denials of reality already please?
Yeah... no. But thanks for calling me phony because I find Ivy and Taki to be absurd and gross and how much better they'd look if they had more normal proportions. e_e
The newest Assassin's Creed protagonist looks baaaad:
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With each game they keep going back and forth between a more realistic and a more cartoonish style, landing somewhere near an unhappy medium.
They ruined such generally okay design.
That original design looks great. Or at least wonderful in comparison to how it got progressively worse.
Trying to be more sexy than you need to Keeps ruining skull girls for me.
Thank you. That's exactly what I was trying to say. I agree completely.That's not the issue, though. The issue is that not only large-breasted women are disproportionately featured in fighting games (and arguably in other types of games as well), but they are not remotely believable large-breasted women. Their breasts are often exaggeratedly large (not even D or E cup, but even bigger, sometimes their breasts are way larger than their heads), they invariably sport massive cleavage or skintight outfits and a lot of attention is drawn on their breasts, and very few large-breasted women are super skinny with a wasp-sized waist yet this is pretty much all you see in terms of large-breasted women in games. If games featured female characters with large breasts and believably proportioned bodies to match, it wouldn't be so annoying.
See also: http://eschergirls.tumblr.com/ -- which is a good fit for the OP, really, though the blog is mostly oriented towards comics. Still, examples from games are featured every now and then.
lol? It really doesn't, not on a consistent basis. In a minority of games at very best. What an absurd claim. Men are not remotely sexualized to the same degree as women are, not in games, not in any media. I get that this doesn't bother you, but enough with the denials of reality already please?
Yeah... no. But thanks for calling me phony because I find Ivy and Taki to be absurd and gross and how much better they'd look if they had more normal proportions. e_e
This one is weird, she has boobs and a curvy waist but she looks like an 8 year old. Is she supposed to be 11-14? The artwork is amazing, that complain aside. Also I don't mind the judgement design is over the top but coherent.
How could I forget?
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I just realized Rare made a lotta ugly shit back in the day, more than people care to acknowledge.
You really don't understand what the thread is about.
Surprisingly outside of the comics not many people get Wonder Woman's design right. I thought her DCAU Justice League look was perfect, but even her DC animated movie had her looking...well not as good.
Maybe I'm just spoiled by her Justice League design.
No shit, I finished this in Co-op a while back and during the end cutscene while in total silence a buddy who had not really been paying attention said "holy shit her faces looks like a shoe" The rest of the party spent a good 10 mins laughting
Someone realized how ugly this shit was and hit the cancel button.WHOA! are they all high on crack?!
I'd like to add Malice to the ugly-western-animu-shit-design-pool:
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EDGEEEYYYYYYY...
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How could I forget?
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I just realized Rare made a lotta ugly shit back in the day, more than people care to acknowledge.
Skullgirls at least has variety. Ms. Fortune and Cerebella are both sexualized, but have completely different body types and fighting styles. That's not even going into the weird ones like Painwheel or Double. Because the entire cast is made of female characters, none of them are forced into the cliche female fighter styles (lots of kicks and no punches, low health, fast, no crazy shit because only males can be the weird ones).Trying to be more sexy than you need to Keeps ruining skull girls for me.
MoH's facial animations are just super creepy in general
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this thread is sad
some people's idea of beauty... ugh
Eh, I can see what they were trying to go for. It's clear that they were aiming to successfully created characters in the anime aesthetic. And I appreciate that there are companies willing to do that.Jet Force Gemini
Crash Bandicoot
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lol @MP1
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Though they also tend to give most of their characters exaggerated breasts, which I don't like.
I was waiting for someone to assert not making a character with large breasts and making a "sexualized little girl" were the same thing.I think you already mentioned that. Western developers are probably not going to put sexualized little girls in their games just for you. It's already appalling that Japan shamelessly caters to pedophiles.
Would people stop posting pictures of Jet Force Gemini please, their dead souless eyes are going to give me nightmares.
I was waiting for someone to assert not making a character with large breasts and making a "sexualized little girl" were the same thing.
MoH's facial animations are just super creepy in general
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