I could never eat all that for breakfast. And that's a lot for a 2 mile run isn't it(like the OP said)?
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I could never eat all that for breakfast. And that's a lot for a 2 mile run isn't it(like the OP said)?
Jogging, running, even walking all work fine. If you increase your calorie use you'll have an easier time losing weight, regardless of if you lift. But the general belief is that a higher muscle mass will lead to a higher resting metabolism.
blindrocket
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I've lost over 60 pounds since the end of summer 2011 with no exercise at all.
Diet alone, baby.
Diet alone, baby.
Yeah but you have to burn what you take in, isn't that the point? Maybe I'll increase my calorie in take a bit then...I'm pretty damn low at the moment, I won't lie.
I could eat that for breakfast everyday
I wake up starving in the morning. Also OP might want to add some resistance training into his program
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We aren't combustion engines.
People really need to drop that "burn calories" logic.
People really need to drop that "burn calories" logic.
Cut out the orange juice unless it's freshly squeezed...if it's Tropicana type orange juice it's no good.
Yeah...but only long/brown rice.
even better...is couscous and quinoa...
triplestation
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I don't think so dude. Some of the healthiest people living in the Asian continent eat white rice everyday. We in the states eat a lot of bread and junk. Not to say bread is wack. Bread is great, just gotta keep consumption in control.
I didn't say it's unhealthy...Brown rice is more healthy because unlike white rice it slows down the release of sugar in the body...white rice consumption is associated with higher levels risk of type 2 diabetes...but more importantly brown rice still has it's nutrients (b vitamins)...white rice is brown rice but only it's gone though a milling process.
Portion sizes are important.
I've lost 40 pounds since the beginning of the year sitting on my ass, browsing gaf. My trick is shying away from processed sugars/carbs (I'll have an occasional piece of dark chocolate or spoonful of honey) and only eating relatively low in fat cuts of meat and fresh veggies. Granted I only eat about 1400 cals a day, but it's really hasnt been bad since I live such a sedentary life. If I do start jogging and working out again (never) i'd probable eat more.
Yeah, can't really be overstated that diet is by far the most important factor in gaining and losing weight.
Chittagong
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Yep, that sounds good now. Your weight should come droping off fast. If you love your cereal in the morning (I do) then go for All Bran.
Only risk I would see is that you might be still way too low in calories, so if you are absolutely starving add in some eggs, cold cuts and fruit, because feeling hunger is the quickest way to end a diet.
wormstrangler
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I'm kind of curious on how you haven't literally starved to death on salad for lunch and one bagel for dinner.
It is so ridiculous. Plus running on that, it was like a high schoolgirls diet, crazy.
Glad you are doing better now.
See You Next Wednesday
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Cereal, bananas, Orange Juice are all bad for weight loss!!!
For fruits, east only berries.
Bananas, Apples & Oranges have the most sugar in them.
Cereal/Bagels are all wheat byproducts, might as well be eating a pizza, as they will fatten you up the same way.
Salads are fine as long as you don't add any salad dressing.
Like the coleslaw salad with dressing at KFC is more fattening than their fried chicken & mashed potato/gravy combo.
Wow...such bad advice.
Bananas are fine for weight loss. Cereals are fine as well as long as they are whole-grain and not refined grains with added sugars.
Sugars from fruit are natural sugars not added sugars...though blood sugar level will rise they will drop soon enough. Everything in moderation too much fruit is obviously not good...but having a banana to go with your oats based cereal is very healthy for example as a breakfast option and is fine as a snack in between meals too.
You're right on the salad...
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OMG @ most of the "advice" in this thread.
Including the above post.
Including the above post.
Pretty useless post if you aren't going to say more specifically what you think is good or bad advice.
Explain?
So your saying it's fine to advise someone to cut out all fruit apart from eating berries? No nutritionist or Dr will ever advise anyone other than a pre-diabetic/diabetic to avoid and/or watch their fruit intake...
It's fine to say Banana's are bad for weight-loss? Whilst ignoring all the vitamins, nutrients and fibre that a banana offers?
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Fair enough. At the very least, OP direct your attention to this thread...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344814
This is a myth.
1) You can lose weight with any sort of food. Its all about maintaining a calorie deficit. How much of that is fat burned is another question entirely.
2) Fruits are good for you. Bananas are high in sugar compared to most fruits, but its not the sort of refined sugar that you should really stay away from. In moderation, bananas are just fine and a good source of healthy carbs/sugars. Berries are preferable, but in no way is a banana bad for weight loss.
3) You shouldn't be afraid of cereals. Just keep an eye on the ingredients list and ensure that they are proper whole grains and not just 'enriched wheat flour' or something similar. You can probably eat a better breakfast without cereals/grains, but its one thing saying that and another saying its actually bad for you.
4) Fruit juices are indeed bad for you. Lots of added sugar in many cases, and even when its not the case, the sugar content is still inexcusably high. You're so much better off just eating a real piece of fruit.
5) Dont be afraid of salad dressing. Yes, many of them aren't great for you, but with some moderation and an eye on your overall calorie intake, there's no reason to say you should refrain from them completely. There's many perfectly healthy dressings out there and even ones like Ranch or Caesar are fine if you dont overdo it. If it gets you eating a good amount of vegetables(which are low in calories and extremely good for you), it more than makes up for any downsides.
You can improve the efficiency of a weight-loss diet by maintaining strict guidelines about food, but its not the end of the world if you stray into a bit of the 'bad stuff' once in a while. I would imagine that most people need a bit of mayo/cheese/ranch dressing, etc in their lives in order to maintain a sustainable diet. If you're keeping an eye on your calorie intake, you can still lose weight and feel perfectly good eating this stuff. Many people fail with their diets because they choose impossibly strict standards that are hard to keep up. Be reasonable and practice moderation. Not everybody has willpowers of stone, although I wont argue that it does help.
Bananas are as close to candy as fruit gets, the sugar to fiber ratio is pretty bad. Try an apple.
The only other thing I'm going to say is you should go to the weight loss thread, lots of good advice advice in there from those of us who have been at this for a long time with some pretty amazing transformations. A lot of what I read here (although I just skimmed it) seemed like bad advice.
Juices, whether or not freshly squeezed, is as nearly bad for dieting as drinking wine.
Fruits are low density when it comes to nutrients. Better off with vegetables, meat, offal if you're going for vitamins.
I think the only universally neutral/good grain is rice, and starch the potato. The rice doesn't need to be brown...glycemic index is bunk. Both of these are easy on the digestive system and are not innately over stimulating. So long as they aren't accompanied by sugar/salt/oil/MSG/spices; they are a strong catalyst to bad food as fast food demonstrates.
If you're going to eat cereal I would go with plain oats. Nearly every cereal has added sugars, which includes fruit because fruit is not a cereal.
Fruits are low density when it comes to nutrients. Better off with vegetables, meat, offal if you're going for vitamins.
I think the only universally neutral/good grain is rice, and starch the potato. The rice doesn't need to be brown...glycemic index is bunk. Both of these are easy on the digestive system and are not innately over stimulating. So long as they aren't accompanied by sugar/salt/oil/MSG/spices; they are a strong catalyst to bad food as fast food demonstrates.
If you're going to eat cereal I would go with plain oats. Nearly every cereal has added sugars, which includes fruit because fruit is not a cereal.
Flax or hemp cereal is also pretty great. Trader Joe's has a great supply of cereals that don't suck for your body.
Not true but I'm not surprised given the spike in low-carb and paleo-diet related propaganda these days...
Juice has way, way more sugar than wine. Get a dry wine like merlot or pinot noir and you'll be fine even with a glass a night. 100-150 calories a glass, with maybe 5g of carbs.
The the effect of alcohol not only does the same damage to the liver as fructose from sugar, but it also more directly hinders the body's satiety system by interfering with the brain. It's going to encourage more overeating. But sure, in a vacuum with deliberate calorie counting you'd be right.
One glass is really nothing to worry about. There are positives to drinking wine as well. If your satiety is affected by a single glass you have much bigger problems to worry about.
I'm not saying you should go out of your way to drink wine on a diet, but as a "cheat" you could do much worse.
Sure for some people.
If you're overweight because pleasurable foods increase your hunger, then you should avoid it all. When I was losing weight, so much as one slice of pizza would throw me off for a couple of days. Personally I'm not a addicted to alcohol, but some are very addicted to alcohol and I think it hits the same reward centers in the brain that cause overeating.
I suspect anyway. Probably fine for many people to moderately drink wine.
This summarizes what I think is a major factor in the obesity epidemic.
IMO bagels are worthless to a diet plan and will work against you.
There's a documentary on weight loss on Netflix that I recommend everyone watch. It's called Fat Head and it's a rebuttal to the movie Super Size Me. In it, the director goes on a fast food only diet and loses weight and body fat (and improves cholesterol and other blood work levels). However, he doesn't eat fries or consume soda.
I've been following his overall advice / theory and have dropped 20 lbs this month. Hopefully I'll keep losing as I have another 25 I'd like to shed. Seriously, watch it. It's funny, entertaining, and informative. Even if you don't agree with every point, it might challenge what you've been told for years as conventional wisdom.
Some important tips:
* OP seems to be eating too few calories. Calories in, calories out isn't quite that simple because your body is a complex machine. Too few calories will cause your metabolism to shut down. I try to stick in the 1,500 - 2,000 calorie range... A moderate but not crazy deficit to what I'd been eating previously.
* Lower carbs. It doesn't have to be a drastic Atkins program that you can't stick to. Remember, if it's not a diet you can consider to be a permanent life change, you'll ultimately rebound. I aim for 80-100 carbs a day. Net carbs, that is. Keep in mind fiber is okay (Carbs - fiber = net carbs).
* Carbs also make you hungry and spike your blood sugar. Even if you're not diabetic or prediabetic, sugar spikes and unused carbs easily convert to fat. If you have a high carb meal, go for a walk soon afterwords. Moving around controls the spikes.
* Exercise. For me, I am recovering from a dislocated kneecap. It feels better but I don't want to risk upsetting it with running or anything too strenuous. So most of my exercise comes from walking. I do about 2 one-hour walks a day, but for anyone who's sedentary, even a half hour of walking a day really does make a difference.
* Don't drink your calories. No soda!!! I allow myself at most a glass of skim milk a day and a glass of acai berry juice (very nutritious). Other than that, I'm 100% water. If you struggle at first, give it a couple days and your body will thank you and you'll start enjoying it. I'd also say no diet pop -- It might confuse your body or harm it in ways we don't yet understand.
* Keep a food log. If you have an iPhone, there's a great little free app called MyNetDiary that will track all the stuff you eat easily. It also lets you type in your exercises.
* Take a multivitamin.
So in short: Meat + eggs + veggies + exercise = win for me, so far. My biggest room for improvement was soda. Even if I kept within 2000 cals, I wouldn't lose weight. I'm convinced it was blood sugar / carb related. However, if you must have the occasional soda, go for a 8 oz bottle or 12 oz can and treat it like a dessert. Don't let it be a fountain drink or the typical with-meal beverage that America's somehow decided is okay. It simply isn't.
There's a documentary on weight loss on Netflix that I recommend everyone watch. It's called Fat Head and it's a rebuttal to the movie Super Size Me. In it, the director goes on a fast food only diet and loses weight and body fat (and improves cholesterol and other blood work levels). However, he doesn't eat fries or consume soda.
I've been following his overall advice / theory and have dropped 20 lbs this month. Hopefully I'll keep losing as I have another 25 I'd like to shed. Seriously, watch it. It's funny, entertaining, and informative. Even if you don't agree with every point, it might challenge what you've been told for years as conventional wisdom.
Some important tips:
* OP seems to be eating too few calories. Calories in, calories out isn't quite that simple because your body is a complex machine. Too few calories will cause your metabolism to shut down. I try to stick in the 1,500 - 2,000 calorie range... A moderate but not crazy deficit to what I'd been eating previously.
* Lower carbs. It doesn't have to be a drastic Atkins program that you can't stick to. Remember, if it's not a diet you can consider to be a permanent life change, you'll ultimately rebound. I aim for 80-100 carbs a day. Net carbs, that is. Keep in mind fiber is okay (Carbs - fiber = net carbs).
* Carbs also make you hungry and spike your blood sugar. Even if you're not diabetic or prediabetic, sugar spikes and unused carbs easily convert to fat. If you have a high carb meal, go for a walk soon afterwords. Moving around controls the spikes.
* Exercise. For me, I am recovering from a dislocated kneecap. It feels better but I don't want to risk upsetting it with running or anything too strenuous. So most of my exercise comes from walking. I do about 2 one-hour walks a day, but for anyone who's sedentary, even a half hour of walking a day really does make a difference.
* Don't drink your calories. No soda!!! I allow myself at most a glass of skim milk a day and a glass of acai berry juice (very nutritious). Other than that, I'm 100% water. If you struggle at first, give it a couple days and your body will thank you and you'll start enjoying it. I'd also say no diet pop -- It might confuse your body or harm it in ways we don't yet understand.
* Keep a food log. If you have an iPhone, there's a great little free app called MyNetDiary that will track all the stuff you eat easily. It also lets you type in your exercises.
* Take a multivitamin.
So in short: Meat + eggs + veggies + exercise = win for me, so far. My biggest room for improvement was soda. Even if I kept within 2000 cals, I wouldn't lose weight. I'm convinced it was blood sugar / carb related. However, if you must have the occasional soda, go for a 8 oz bottle or 12 oz can and treat it like a dessert. Don't let it be a fountain drink or the typical with-meal beverage that America's somehow decided is okay. It simply isn't.
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