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BART Officer Kills Young Man in Subway Updated: Further Misconduct Unearthed Post#436
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B!TCH said:
Yeah this is a great opinion. One cop kills so they must all be the scum of the universe.
I can't justify anything this cop did. I am fucking steaming over this and now you're comment because it makes men like my father look bad to people like you. He doesn't have to put up with the constant police bashing and completely ignorant attitudes people like you have about police. 27 years risking his own life for fucking people like you makes me sick. If you don't want police around then leave because they are that line that still protects good citizens.
Yes the officers actions were disgusting and I hope he gets the punishment he deserves for what he has done. No one has the authority to be judge, jury, and executioner. But because of this man's actions does it even mean that all police are "the lowest dregs of society choose to become police officers because they are too fucking stupid to do anything else with their lives."
B!TCH said:
Yea, the only thing is your opinion is wrong. You make wide sweeping generalizations and then get all defensive when people attack you. Not one person is defending this cops actions, he was clearly in the wrong, but to damn all cops because of this is mind numbingly idiotic.
adamsappel
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Murder. And I hope his fellow cops don't pull that "blue code of silence" bullshit.
Considering how many witnesses there were, why WOULD the cop aim his gun and shoot him just like that. Somehow, I can almost believe the dude went into a fog and didnt realize what he was doing until it was done. Still no excuse, but really, who would be stupid enough to shoot someone like that in front of a train full of people, 2 other cops, and other people inches away
TheKingsCrown
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Both of those videos are disturbing, but I have to be honest...I can't tell who the guy with the gun is or when he shoots. Maybe I'm just not able to see what others see.
WickedAngel
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TheKingsCrown said:
The officer with the gun is on the left in the video that shows them head on. The video isn't extremely clear but it's clear enough to see his arms jump from the recoil.
TheKingsCrown
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Thanks. I see it now. And it makes absolutely no sense.WickedAngel said:
WickedAngel
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xsarien said:Wow, that topic is all kinds of wrong.
It was a BART police officer on the commuter rail line. Just, you know, sayin'.
I know. The link that I first found the story on was wrong. I've asked bishop to change it but he likely has more important things to do at the moment.
Drakeon said:
I chose to make a generalization because it accurately expresses what I think about police officers. I will also admit that I am extremely angry that police officers can treat people that way. If you don't agree with it, you are welcome to that opinion. I happen to believe that police officers should be held to the highest standards because the public entrusts them with the power to enforce the law and because they are in a position of authority. Therefore when one police officer chooses to betray that trust it, in effect, reflects badly on all of them. That is the reality of their job. If they can't handle that, they shouldn't be police officers. This story is particularly troubling to me because it could have happened to anyone. I don't think you fully understand how serious this is.
wenis said:
How silly. Your dad is a "good cop" and therefore all cops are incorruptible saints? How is your reasoning any different from mine? Just because you don't like it, does not mean my opinion is any less valid than yours. My opinion of police officers, like yours, isn't informed by this incident exclusively. You should start holding police officers to higher standards.
Future said:
It's because he thought he would get away with it. It's as simple as that. If there was no video of the incident, there would be people defending the actions of this police officer.
Bumblebeetuna
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LOL @ murder and life in prison. It was an accident, a tragic accident. Obviously he deserves to be fired and all of that but send him away for life? :lol
wenis said:
If it makes you feel better, I have the utmost respect for police officers in general. Their job is so much more a public service than my own. They risk lives, and put up with so much crap from dimwit civilians. It irks me so much when people disrespect police. Think about what 'police' means - they are here to serve us, to police this society we have chosen to build. Some argue that in a perfect society, we wouldn't need police, but that's not true. They are true servents to teh public - everything they do, it's for the better of the 'good' society.
In general.
I am speechless at what this cop here did.
WickedAngel
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Bumblebeetuna said:
It might have been an accident but there is nothing obvious about it.
For this to have been an accident, he would have needed to have a reason to draw his weapon in the first place (Which he didn't; the man was face down on the ground and under control). Then, he would have had to have accidentally fired his weapon.
TheKingsCrown
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How is it an accident to point your gun at someone and then to fire it?Bumblebeetuna said:
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WickedAngel said:
It was definitely not a situation where you need to draw your gun, which is why he should be fired.
B!TCH said:
I think he was more annoyed at the fact that your sweeping generalization implied that his father is a part of the dredges of society that decided to become a cop because he was too dumb to do anything.
It's all well and good to hold Police officers to a higher standard, but to proclaim you hate cops (I'm assuming all cops) because of bad things that may have happened to you/your friends in the past? I guffaw at you sir - I've known cops that have saved lives (well not really the cops, but the people the cops saved), yet I do not go making sweeping generalizations that all cops are saints or any generalizations at all - and neither is weins - only you are.
ConsumerSquare
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Wow, I find it really difficult to believe that this policeman would suddenly decide to shoot the guy point blank in the back in cold blood, but pulling the gun, pointing with both hands, and pulling the trigger... that's not like accidentally pressing fire instead of the jump button. It takes some effort. Nothing surprises me anymore.
B!TCH said:
I never said just because my dad is a good cop means every cop is good. I've lived with the man 21 years of my life I know most of his stories and everything he has had to put up with. I know first hand that there are bad cops. No where in there do I make a sweeping generalization that all cops are good like you make the generalization that all cops are ignorant swine too stupid to do anything else with their life. That is only you doing that. You and you're ignorant views just make me sick.
and I do hold police officers to a higher standard. They had better live with thick skin and a tough heart to put up with shit heads like you. They are completely selfless in their acts and protect everyone (which unfortunately includes people like yourself) that is why they are always held to a higher standard in my eyes.
SapientWolf
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If the roles were reversed the "oops" defense probably wouldn't fly.Bumblebeetuna said:
Bumblebeetuna
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SapientWolf said:
Well yeah because police officers tend to deserve a little more respect and trust than armed criminals.
The whole thing just seems odd. Ok, lets say this officer is a real piece of shit and purposely shot this dude. Why would he do it in a crowded area full of witnesses? Makes no sense. The dude was struggling and resisting, maybe the officer thought he could pull his gun out and intimidate the dude into cooperating and it went off. He's still in the wrong, he definitely deserves punishment and should not be allowed to continue carrying a loaded weapon, but life in prison? :lol
Kinitari said:
My interactions with police officers have been mixed. Seen both good and bad. To be perfectly honest with you, seeing one police officer do something illegal is one too many. Like I said earlier, police offers are held to higher standards because of the power we give them. I'm not aware of too many jobs with as high an imbalance between the degree of responsibility involved and the academic requirements to perform. Police officers are not intelligent people. Generally. That's a generalization. Deal with it.
wenis said:
Way to backpedal. Nice.
I'm done with you.
Your dad is ignorant. Should have gone to college a tier above ITT Tech and got a real career. Oh wait.
Smiling Bandit
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B!TCH said:
And fuck you right back. These people uphold the law. What we're seeing here is a video without context, almost a classical case. Judging from the past I'm more inclined to believe that there was a reason for the cop to shoot, otherwise he'd have to be on the edge of mental instability. And despite your claims not every lunatic can become a policemen.
Protip: Don't be insubordinate when the police is arresting you. If it takes several officers to hold you down you are already doing it wrong.
DemonSwordsman
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Bumblebeetuna said:
I dont think so most people become cops because they know they cant get a degree so being a cop is their only option. And they can legally be a thug.
As to why he did it, because he thinks he can get away with it.
WickedAngel
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Finn said:
Bay Area Rapid Transit officers.
abstract alien
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Smiling Bandit said:
Are you stupid? Serious question.
The qualification is only as good as the test. You realize this, correct? What possible reason could a police officer have had to shoot a restrained human being? I don't think you realize the implication of what you are saying here. Police officers are not infallible despite what you, Wenis and your ilk would like to believe.
"Protip: Don't be insubordinate when the police is arresting you. If it takes several officers to hold you down you are already doing it wrong."
How about, Protip: Don't kill unarmed civilians? I suppose that is too much to ask of the dregs who hide behind the badge.
The Faceless Master
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and the guy was going to see the gun while face down with the other cop on his head/neck how?Bumblebeetuna said:
super metroid
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B!TCH said:
you sound like a whiny, emotional teenager.
that said, the person you're arguing with comes off as pubescent.
Smiling Bandit
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B!TCH said:
You are already assuming intent. What if the suspect was verbally threatening the officers, claiming he had a gun on him, the officer drew his gun and it accidentally went off?
If he indeed drew his gun and shoot the suspect point blank in the back for no reason at all as the visuals might indicate than the case is clear.
Exactly. And exactly the reason why you should try not to do something criminal. And if you still happen to get arrested not put up a fight on top of it because it's better to minimize any risks. Especially when you're up against people who already are under a lot of pressure.
super metroid
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B!TCH said:
aw, honeypie.
well, usually when things like this happen, I visit http://officer.com/ just to see what they have to say..... so far no thread has appeared...will check tomorrow
I used to/still get along with some police officers..... heck when I was younger (9 years old) one bought me a brand new baseball bat, because he used to always see me carry around this Huge softball bat that was all bent and jacked up... so one day he surprised me.. I was ecstatic.
but as I got older, I realized that even if I go about my life the right way and be respectful to people around me...it doesn't matter and there is a high chance at any given moment that I will be judged before I can speak...that is, if I'm allowed to.
so its unfortunate that when ever I see police officers....I just go in the opposite direction.....not because I'm scared...but because I have no faight in the system.....so there is less chance of me fitting the description and standing around and wasting time as they run my name to no avail and god knows what else can happen.
I used to/still get along with some police officers..... heck when I was younger (9 years old) one bought me a brand new baseball bat, because he used to always see me carry around this Huge softball bat that was all bent and jacked up... so one day he surprised me.. I was ecstatic.
but as I got older, I realized that even if I go about my life the right way and be respectful to people around me...it doesn't matter and there is a high chance at any given moment that I will be judged before I can speak...that is, if I'm allowed to.
so its unfortunate that when ever I see police officers....I just go in the opposite direction.....not because I'm scared...but because I have no faight in the system.....so there is less chance of me fitting the description and standing around and wasting time as they run my name to no avail and god knows what else can happen.
Smiling Bandit said:
You are grasping at straws to force an argument and making a huge assumption contrary to the evidence presented in the process. Even if the suspect verbally threatened the police officer, how does that justify using lethal force to subdue the already restrained suspect? Even so, assuming the suspect had a gun in the first place, it is not reasonable to assume that, given the situation preceding the police officers intervention, he would suddenly decide to make this threat (against a group of armed police officers) while he was restrained.
Nice. Specious reasoning at it's finest.
The point that alludes your grasp is that police officers aren't supposed to abuse their power even when confronted with a difficult situation. That's one of the important principles that should be guiding their judgement. Unless, that is, they are in fact a "lunatic," as you so eloquently put it, correct? Your argument here effectively validates my negative opinion of the litmus tests required to become a police officer.
Part of me just can't believe the officer would just shoot him like that. If i were to guess I'd still say it was an accident. It just makes no sense for him to just execute him for no apparent reason. Then again, people do crazy things. No telling really what exactly happened. I do think though that whatever happened, the cop deserves time in jail. I mean you have to take responsibility right? And so do the people who'll decide the officer's future.
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