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Batman: Arkham City - info blowout (UK OPM)

Ugh, I got a good idea. Let's just ignore Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damien Wayne and just make fucking Catwoman the co op player. When I think of expert fighter on par with Batman and the gadgets to match, I think Catwoman.


Everyone is going to fight over who gets to be Batman, and who has to be Catwoman unless they play the exact same. And if they play the exact same, that's stupid as hell especially considering how well they've made the game feel Batman-y.
 
Messypandas said:
So has Hamill been talked back into returning? Or was Arkham definitely his last portrayal as the Joker.
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Arkham City is supposedly his last. He is voicing the Joker in this.

I'd rather play as Catwoman than any of the Robins or Nightwings.

now, if we want to skip ahead and bring out Terry McGuinness... that I would go for, but until then, Catwoman is more interesting to me at least.
 
DennisK4 said:
Come on , don't reuse those fucking clowns. How about some new enemies. This seems like it will be very simlar to the first game.
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Something was mentioned in another thread that there will be Two Face henchmen that resemble him with how they look. It's not going to be completely Joker thugs.
 
LAUGHTREY said:
Ugh, I got a good idea. Let's just ignore Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damien Wayne and just make fucking Catwoman the co op player. When I think of expert fighter on par with Batman and the gadgets to match, I think Catwoman.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I'm hoping you are.
 
DennisK4 said:
Come on , don't reuse those fucking clowns. How about some new enemies. This seems like it will be very simlar to the first game.
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That's what I was thinking. Would like to have some better thugs to brain.

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Confused101 said:
Something was mentioned in another thread that there will be Two Face henchmen that resemble him with how they look. It's not going to be completely Joker thugs.
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Ah, that sounds better.
 
WrikaWrek said:
The story is retarded.

I'm guessing in Arkham City 3, countries all over the world lock up the country, put their criminals there and then throw away the key.
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Arkham Australia?
 
McBradders said:
Oh hey, referencing Tim Burton Batman! I AM ERECT!
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I now know you have shitty taste.




Anyways, looks like it is shaping up to be great.



LAUGHTREY said:
Ugh, I got a good idea. Let's just ignore Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damien Wayne and just make fucking Catwoman the co op player. When I think of expert fighter on par with Batman and the gadgets to match, I think Catwoman.


Everyone is going to fight over who gets to be Batman, and who has to be Catwoman unless they play the exact same. And if they play the exact same, that's stupid as hell especially considering how well they've made the game feel Batman-y.
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Dick is better than Bruce. If anything Nightwing should be in there because he would have to play different than the others.
 
Hell yeah for the backflip and spray explosive gel maneuver. I spend so much time waiting to spray goo on the floor to stop those with stun guns in Arkham Asylum that I may as well beg to be tazered.
 
CaptYamato said:
I now know you have shitty taste.
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You'd be pretty ignorant if you don't believe that Tim Burton's Batman didn't influence what Batman is right now.

Let's see:

1. Tim Burton's Batman gave an entire new meaning to Joker's insanity and provided the awesomeness for the newer generation since the last good thing Batman-related your average audience saw was mustache boy and Adam West.

2. Tim Burton's Batman is the direct influence of Batman: The Animated Series which is pretty much the foundation of do's and dont's for Batman right now.

3. Batman: The Animated Series spawned great voice actors, great T-rated over the edge action and violence, and provided some of the greatest moments, characters and stories that are as Canon as they can be e.g. Harley Quinn, Joker's Laughing Toxin, a whole set of new supporting characters and much more.

4. Tim Burton's Batman and Batman: The Animated Series is the sole influence for Batman: Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.

If you want to hate any particular director, hate Joel Schumacher.
 
shagg_187 said:
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4. Tim Burton's Batman and Batman: The Animated Series is the sole influence for Batman: Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.
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Now that is going a little too far.
 
shagg_187 said:
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You'd be pretty ignorant if you don't believe that Tim Burton's Batman didn't influence what Batman is right now.

Let's see:

1. Tim Burton's Batman gave an entire new meaning to Joker's insanity and provided the awesomeness for the newer generation since the last good thing Batman-related your average audience saw was mustache boy and Adam West.
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Yeah, not really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Killing_Joke

2. Tim Burton's Batman is the direct influence of Batman: The Animated Series which is pretty much the foundation of do's and dont's for Batman right now.
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The animated series? It had good writing and animation, but all it did was take stuff from the ongoing comics at the time. But, to be fair, it introduced Harley Quinn.

3. Batman: The Animated Series spawned great voice actors, great T-rated over the edge action and violence, and provided some of the greatest moments, characters and stories that are as Canon as they can be e.g. Harley Quinn, Joker's Laughing Toxin, a whole set of new supporting characters and much more.
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I don't think the Joker's Laughing Toxin IS canon, though. If anything, today's joker is much more "gangster" and realistic than Bruce Timm's.

4. Tim Burton's Batman and Batman: The Animated Series is the sole influence for Batman: Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.
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From the developers' mouth :

We took the interpretation of The Joker from the “Killing Joke” comics and started iterating from there.[...]During the development of “Batman: Arkham Asylum” we worked closely with WildStorm for the concepts of Batman and all of the villains present in the game. I would say that there was been between 10 and 15 concepts of Batman before we started settling on his final look. The collaboration with WildStorm was very open and fructuous.
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I mean, yeah, there are influences from The Animated Series, but the animated series has been influenced by the comics.

If you want to hate any particular director, hate Joel Schumacher.
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There's a pulp dimension to Burton's Batman that is just distracting. I like the 50's art style, and I like his Bruce Wayne, but I dislike everything else about it. Especially Returns.
 
xxracerxx said:
Now that is going a little too far.
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The entire direction/voice/story team behind Arkham Asylum is the Paul Dini/Kevin Conroy/Mark Hamill powerhouse from Batman: The Animated Series. Paul Dini started as writer for Batman: The Animated Series and made his way to comic-books if I am correct.

Oh and if you want to start the "from the developer's mouth", I've some for you as well:

Tim Burton claimed that The Killing Joke influenced his film adaptation of Batman: "I was never a giant comic book fan, but I've always loved the image of Batman and The Joker. The reason I've never been a comic book fan - and I think it started when I was a child - is because I could never tell which box I was supposed to read. I don't know if it was dyslexia or whatever, but that's why I loved The Killing Joke, because for the first time I could tell which one to read. It's my favorite. It's the first comic I've ever loved. And the success of those graphic novels made our ideas more acceptable.
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So yes, The Killing Joke is indeed the defining moment of Batman in every single medium for it is a MUST to mention The Killing Joke as an influence or the fans will eat you up dry, but you can't deny the influence of Batman:TAS and Burton's Batman/BatmanReturns.
 
shagg_187 said:
So yes, The Killing Joke is indeed the defining moment of Batman in every single medium for it is a MUST to mention The Killing Joke as an influence or the fans will eat you up dry, but you can't deny the influence of Batman:TAS and Burton's Batman/BatmanReturns.
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Well, that doesn't make sense. I mean, you're taking my argument and just saying "Right, Tim Burton was influenced by Alan Moore's Joker... but but but, the writer of animated series is writing for Arkham Asylum, and the series was influenced by Batman 1989."

Like... yeah, you're right, but you're wrong. The only single influence The Animated Series HAS in Arkham Asylum is the voice acting. Other than that, Dini is writing for comics now, and Harley Quinn is part of the comics.

It's not the chicken or the egg ; you just think "serious" Batman didn't exist before Batman 1989. All it did was mainstream it.
 

Batman’s taken to patrolling AC. The setting is described as “a mix of Tim Burton’s original Batman movie and a touch of Escape from New York,” with spires and graveyards swapped for alleys and streets.
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Awesome, every Batman game should be based off Burton's superior Batman movie.
 
FTWer said:
Awesome, every Batman game should be based off Burton's superior Batman movie.
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I would actually agree that I find the Burton films visually more... impressive/unique.

I wouldn't take the characterization in the game.

Let's see... I'm sure it would come as a shock that I would prefer just aping TAS completely. Forever and ever.
 
GOTY 2011. Hide your Gears of Wars, hide your Portals, and hide your Killzones 'cuz they Arkhaming err'body out here.
 
Isn't this game coming out in a year from now? Surprised they are hyping it so early.
 
Ledsen said:
I thought everyone liked Burton's movies the most :( They're awesome!
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Maybe not to the people who are under the age of 15 & think Batman Begins was on par with the greatest movies of all time. :lol

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Just to add, the style of Arkham Asylum was almost a complete cross of TAS & Burtons darker movie designs.
There was a Nolan Batman Begins game & it's style & art direction sucked.
 
FTWer said:
Maybe not to the people who are under the age of 15 & think Batman Begins was on par with the greatest movies of all time. :lol

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Just to add, the style of Arkham Asylum was almost a complete cross of TAS & Burtons darker movie designs.
There was a Nolan Batman Begins game & it's style & art direction sucked.
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I'm 31, had a Batman backpack in 1989 and everything, and while I like the Burton movies as movies, he missed the point of Batman about as badly as he could have. TAS cribbed some of his visual style and combined it with people who actually gave two shits about who Batman was (unlike Burton who as usual only cared about his own selfish ideas) creating what is obviously the influence for these games.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
Not that it really matters that much in the long run, but I do have to say this game's premise is one of the stupidest fucking logic leaps I've been asked to take in a while.
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Yeah I'm a bit disappointed. Its definitely gameplay intruding on suspension of disbelief and story, for no real reason other than we gotta go bigger and better and we gotta keep an Arkham expy around cause Gotham City clearly isnt interesting without it. I expect shit as least on par with a decent episode of TAS like Arkham Asylum was.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
I'm 31, had a Batman backpack in 1989 and everything, and while I like the Burton movies as movies, he missed the point of Batman about as badly as he could have.
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The only point of Batman is that it is a comic, it's not fucking Shakespeare.
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Batman strictly not killing & not using any guns only begun to be retcon in the mid 80's.
Batman used guns & killed before.
 
FTWer said:
The only point of Batman is that it is a comic, it's not fucking Shakespeare.
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a) Shakespeare was pulp intended for the masses, so are comics.
b) That's a piss-poor excuse to ignore the source material. I'm happy your standards are low. Mine aren't. I know there are people talented enough to produce excellent works *and* do it in a way that doesn't go against the source material in a major way. Burton isn't one of them.

edit: adorably you think this is about the guns and the killing.
 
Littleberu said:
The only single influence The Animated Series HAS in Arkham Asylum is the voice acting.
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The Animated Series is probably the definitive Batman to more people in the age cohort for these games than any one of the other sources -- certainly than the comics. Definitely a bigger influence on the game than that.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
Not that it really matters that much in the long run, but I do have to say this game's premise is one of the stupidest fucking logic leaps I've been asked to take in a while.
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I actually buy that.. to a degree since its been done before.

I mean technically at the end of Batman Begins, the narrows is sectioned off from the rest of Gotham with the bridge.

And of course, No Man's Land sectioned off all of Gotham from the rest of the world.
 
Penguin said:
I actually buy that.. to a degree since its been done before.

I mean technically at the end of Batman Begins, the narrows is sectioned off from the rest of Gotham with the bridge.

And of course, No Man's Land sectioned off all of Gotham from the rest of the world.
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Both of which made considerably more sense, if you mention the reasoning behind them, than the Mayor of the City roping off part of Gotham, giving it free and clear to the criminals, and saying "BUT YOU HAVE TO STAY INSIDE OKAY?" instead of just putting them in a prison. I'm okay with sectioning off part of Gotham. As you said, it's been done before. But this is by far the most idiotic reasoning behind it yet.
 
Buckethead said:
This is going to be The Dark Knight of videogames, so basically, totally fuzzin' incredible.
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Yep, so hyped. Just reading those descriptive notes in the OP was incredible.
 
The environments are going to probably be noticeably bigger. Really looking forward towards this game's release.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
Both of which made considerably more sense, if you mention the reasoning behind them, than the Mayor of the City roping off part of Gotham, giving it free and clear to the criminals, and saying "BUT YOU HAVE TO STAY INSIDE OKAY?" instead of just putting them in a prison. I'm okay with sectioning off part of Gotham. As you said, it's been done before. But this is by far the most idiotic reasoning behind it yet.
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The mayor is now Quincy Sharp. I assumed you found all the spirit of Arkham messages in the first game?

If not, go read some spoilers, and things make more sense.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
Not that it really matters that much in the long run, but I do have to say this game's premise is one of the stupidest fucking logic leaps I've been asked to take in a while.
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Guess you weren't a fan of Hamsterdam either.
 
This is going to be so incredible. That paragraph about Batman's improved mobility, leaping over and sliding under and double grappling and Just Cause 2-esque flying is like my dream come true.
 
JasonUresti said:
The mayor is now Quincy Sharp. I assumed you found all the spirit of Arkham messages in the first game?

If not, go read some spoilers, and things make more sense.
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Yes, I did. Which introduces even more problems.

The story premise is stupid. Perhaps in the course of playing this game, it will somehow become less stupid. But as of right now, it's just a stupid reason to let us play in a bigger yard. And that's fine by me, as I said I doubt it will matter much to me in the long run, but it doesn't make it any less stupid now.
 
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