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Batman: Arkham Knight - '360/PS3/WiiU Could Not Meet Gameplay Objectives'
- Thread starter L.O.R.D
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no just stop this
Nintendo was really late joining the 360/PS3 gen. Wii U is not current gen
Still don't know what a generation is huh?
Anyone who compared the specs knew this would happen.
You're just trying to get people riled up aren't you?
hahhaha
Petrae
Member
Gen7 is already way long in the tooth-- 9 years-- and there really isn't a future for big-selling software for those old platforms anymore. Cross-gen made more sense for the Gen6-to-Gen7 transition, as it had only been 4-5 years between generations and it was taking longer for consumers to make the jump.
Using bigger install bases as a safe reason for last-gen support to continue is becoming harder to justify. It's time to start moving over to Gen8 and convincing consumers to move, as well.
gundamkyoukai
Member
When it came out time wise yes it is a 8th gen console but spec wise Wii U is not a 8th gen console .
If I'm trying to get people riled up, doesn't that mean that the representative from Rocksteady, Dax Ginn, is also trying to get people riled up? I'm just voicing my opinion on the issue, just like he is. It really shouldn't bother you so much.
SwiftDeath
Member
Yeah the Wii U is far closer to last gen powerwise than current gen
It is an 8th generation console but it has the power of a 7th generation console
It simply is what it is
Graphics Horse
Member
Did HDD access speeds actually improve over last gen? It does sound like it's this or available ram, last game will have been tuned to work optimally at gliding speed.
I agree.
bigboss370
Member
this so called "destructibility" better be impressive then if they're using the vehicle driving as the reasoning last gen versions aren't possible.
He isn't trying to get people riled up. He is explaining why the game is not on Wii U/360/PS3; it would completely compromise the vision they have for the game.
So you can be born in a certain generation but belong to a previous one by some other metric?
Is this satire? Brilliant
again with this shit? You just stop this
SwiftDeath
Member
You can call it whatever "gen" you like, the simple fact is studios know how well the engine they are using will work on each piece of hardware. PS2 and Xbox were of the same hardware cycle, but you didn't see a ton of UE licensees making PS2 games.
Thank god these individuals are stuck on a dying platform, God forbid us.
Your opinion is factually wrong if you think the Wi U can handle games specifically designed for PS4 and XB1.
nhlducks35
Member
Just say the Wii U is generation 7.5 and problem solved.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I can't begin to tell you how much I would love to see this ridiculous argument disappear and never come back. It comes up time and time again and it leaves me flabbergasted wondering why people fixate on such silly distractions. But I suppose it's worth considering that maybe the problem lies with me. Maybe I'm out of touch. But from where I'm sitting, arguing about which generation of consoles the Wii U resides in is and always has been one of the most pointless discussions I've ever seen people passionately engage in. Some people group consoles via the time period they were released in. Others group machines together based on similarity in specs. Traditionally, a generation of consoles refers to a timeframe and not a range of specs, but more often than not, people can contextually understand what the other is referring to.
Whether or not the Wii U is or isn't an awesome machine that is or isn't deserving of certain releases has next to nothing to do with whether or not we call it a gen 8 machine because of when it was released or a gen 7 machine because of the tech inside of it. I don't know if my annoyance at having to type this out is coming through this text, but let me conclude by stating that this is an incredibly stupid argument.
gen·er·a·tion (jĕn′ə-rā′shən)
A class of objects derived from a preceding class
A group of individuals born and living about the same time.
But I don't even own a Wii U.
First off: Saying that my opinion is "factually wrong" means you don't even consider it an argument and thus shouldn't even bother replying. You're right, I'm wrong. The end. With that being said,
Secondly: I don't think the Wii U can handle games specifically designed for PS4 and Xbone. Doesn't mean the Wii U isn't a part of the same gen as those two consoles. Would you say that the Wii is a part of a different console generation than the one the PS3 and 360 were a part of because it was underpowered in comparison?
It's not even that. It's Generation Limbo. It was Nintendo's way of saying "The Wii's stopped printing money. We need to rush something out fast in order to look like we're doing something for the next 2 years".
Terrible mistake. It's almost as if they assumed that the PS4 and Xbone would flop and they would basically have a free ride thanks to jumping into the pond early.
gundamkyoukai
Member
But the Wii U is made with modern components. What's the excuse now?
knerlington
Banned
Like the interview says. They skipped the last-gen consoles because they can't run the game in the way that the devs imagine it. I.E. They want a better looking game which is only possible on next-gen. Doubt it's about the cost. Bigger amount of users on last-gen which would make them a bigger profit.
PlumCantaloupe
Member
This seems more like they just didn't want to make the effort, because it would be admittedly harder on lesser consoles. So far no games come across as impossible on last gen (with the exception of graphics) so I am curious how amazing this batmobile experience will be.
Will this be on PC? If PC they should be able to get the batcycle and batwing in there too ... right??
Will this be on PC? If PC they should be able to get the batcycle and batwing in there too ... right??
Steve Youngblood
Member
Seriously, how is it not readily apparent that this is just an awful discussion?
nhlducks35
Member
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I wonder if Nintendo thinks this looks bad? They can release a redone version of a last gen game, but can't meet the requirements for the current gen version.
I understand it and completely support it. If you're trying to push the series beyond the infamy it had this last gen, then by all means go to where the technology is at. I just hope Nintendo notices how left out Wii U owners are when they were originally excited about Arkham City Armored Edition coming out.
It's like saying: "Sorry folks, you just get the HD version of last gen. Our new console can't handle the new stuff". I realize you guys are talking about this. I just wanted to chime in.
Nintendo needs to build their consoles after the developer's (3rd party) technology.
I understand it and completely support it. If you're trying to push the series beyond the infamy it had this last gen, then by all means go to where the technology is at. I just hope Nintendo notices how left out Wii U owners are when they were originally excited about Arkham City Armored Edition coming out.
It's like saying: "Sorry folks, you just get the HD version of last gen. Our new console can't handle the new stuff". I realize you guys are talking about this. I just wanted to chime in.
Nintendo needs to build their consoles after the developer's (3rd party) technology.
cyberheater
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That's funny because it's exactly what it told me.
And that's what happens when you release 'next gen' hardware with old gen performance.
It's kinda funny coming right after your initial post.
gundamkyoukai
Member
That doesn't make any sense. The PS3 and XBOX 360 have sold 160 million together and they aren't getting it.
Glad you agree that you're wrong, why post that stupid comment in the first place?
I'm not getting into a discussion on the finer details of what generation each console is grouped with because I don't care. The fact is the Wii U is underpowered compared to the PS4 and Xbox meaning it won't be getting any of these "next gen" games.
TheRealTalker
Banned
what sucks most of all for the WiiU is that last gen software sales are declining rapidly while current gen software is becoming the norm more quickly
we will likely see current gen only games more quickly adapted compared to last gens early adoption cycle
we will likely see current gen only games more quickly adapted compared to last gens early adoption cycle
SkeptiMism
Member
Oh man. Can we some day finally stop fighting about Wii U? It is what it is and it's been debated a hundred times.
As a happy Wii U owner I'm happy the game isn't coming to Wii U (and PS360).
As a happy Wii U owner I'm happy the game isn't coming to Wii U (and PS360).
No it almost certainly wouldn't. It's not coming to PS360 either, and those 2 have install bases of dozens of millions.
Wii U, like PS4 and Xbox One, are current-gen consoles of the 8th generation. You now, as a measurement of time and grouped together because they are each the successors of their last generation platforms. However, these new machines are not just defined by hardware power, new game engine compatibility/ multiplatform support, but also the things they are each capable of that their predecessor platforms were not capable of. For Wii U, that is changing how you play games through off-TV Play and asymmetric experiences like with Nintendo Land. In addition to that, there's Miiverse because no previous home console has had an integrated social community on the OS level. Wii U is also unique of the three new consoles because its the only console that offers previous full backward compatibility, including digital game transfers. In some ways, Wii U shares some similarities with PS4 and Xbox One because all three have multi-tasking capabilities, but Wii U is the most limited one.
Wii U obviously doesn't support new and powerful game engines because Nintendo only intended to design Wii U to leech off of 360 and PS3 ports due to the extension of that generation's lifespan and continued quantity of third party support. Nintendo's problem with that is Wii U's slightly improved hardware power and exclusive features off-TV Play, touchscreen and Miiverse, did not proof to be very enticing features to convince gamers to abandon their old 360 and PS3's in favor for the overpriced and underpowered Wii U. Those gamers were content to stick to their old platforms while they waited to migrate over to the next PlayStation home console (which would offer the best propositional value out of the three consoles) and Xbox One (which would still be an attractive console compared to the Wii U despite its initial controversial anti-consumer policies that Microsoft inevitably dropped or changed for the most part).
Wii U obviously doesn't support new and powerful game engines because Nintendo only intended to design Wii U to leech off of 360 and PS3 ports due to the extension of that generation's lifespan and continued quantity of third party support. Nintendo's problem with that is Wii U's slightly improved hardware power and exclusive features off-TV Play, touchscreen and Miiverse, did not proof to be very enticing features to convince gamers to abandon their old 360 and PS3's in favor for the overpriced and underpowered Wii U. Those gamers were content to stick to their old platforms while they waited to migrate over to the next PlayStation home console (which would offer the best propositional value out of the three consoles) and Xbox One (which would still be an attractive console compared to the Wii U despite its initial controversial anti-consumer policies that Microsoft inevitably dropped or changed for the most part).