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Batman Begins 3: Who should the villains be?
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twilitesparklemotion
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I would turn into a squealing fangirl and die of excitement.RubxQub said:
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Cheebs said:
posion ivy doesn't have to have super natural powers, she can be like she was in Batman: TAS - obsessed with plants/earth nothing to do with "powers".
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RubxQub said:
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Having Batman taking tactics deemed to severe by the government and having them bring in Superman to take him down would be cool. But I think they're trying to keep it realistic in the Batman universe, which takes a flying man from Krypton out of the equation, no matter how awesome it would be.
Riddler and Ivy would be really easy people to make realistic. Make Ivy one of those environmentalist terrorists and make Riddler a Zodiac like killer who leaves clues at his crimes, as someone mentioned earlier. However, seeing as how we don't know what the theme of the third film would be, it's hard to imagine exactly what storyline they would fit into.
I've been in favor of bringing back Ra's in some fashion, pulling the strings from the behind the scenes as usual during Two-Face's reign of terror. Who else works best with the themes of criminality and insanity that are driving this series' vision of the Batman universe?
Bane sounds like a good possibility. The drugs tie back into Ra's, his childhood in prison key off strong themes in both films already made and Nolan's Batman origin story in particular, and his complex relationship with the criminal world could work well with Two-Face's story.
Bane sounds like a good possibility. The drugs tie back into Ra's, his childhood in prison key off strong themes in both films already made and Nolan's Batman origin story in particular, and his complex relationship with the criminal world could work well with Two-Face's story.
Tyrone Slothrop
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truth is, most batman chatacters would totally ruin the nolan movies' style. they'll probably have to do something closer to the graphic novels again.
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Tyrone Slothrop said:
true. Riddler is the only one i can see working, and even he can't match up to the League of Shadows and the Joker, it'd be a total letdown. The only answer is to complete the Nolan Trilogy by having a storyline where Batman's identity is discovered and Bruce Wayne is on the run from the authorities.
I think Bane could work quite well, but to emphasis his intelligence, he finds out Batman's true identity but instead of confronting Bane vs Batman, he creates a playboy alter ego ala Bruce Wayne and works to undermine Bruce Wayne and Wayne industries. When he has ruined Wayne industries and Bruce's character then he sets upon destroying Batman.
Ponn01 said:
Hush and Rachel Dawes' characters do have a lot of parallels, so if they redid Hush as a female with her that might actually work. Not mention she already knows who he is so there's that side of it, too. A team-up with Two-Face or Talia would be pretty cool there.
The only way I see Harley Quinn working is if they went with Poison Ivy, too. For those talking about government involvement, Amanda Waller would be perfect.
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Pezking said:
But probably not the right choice for a Nolan-Movie...
No, I would say not right at all...which is too bad. Almost makes me pine for the non-serious Batman universe. :lol
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Clayface and someone else
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Ah, yes, Kristen Bell. I can totally see her portraying Harley Quinn. Cute, short and with an arse to kill.Skiptastic said:
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ckohler said:
thats why the movie is an adaptation not a translation. Take the core characteristics and change it to fit in the Batman Begins universe.
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thefro said:
Who says it has to be a "Batman" character?
I've always liked Vandal Savage, a villain in the same vein as Luthor.
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Cheebs said:
What? She's not good enough for the guy that cast Scarlett Johansson and Katie Holmes in his movies?
My problem with a lot of the traditional villains in the Batman universe is that they kind of don't jive with a more "realistic" portrayal of Batman as we've seen in Begins and Dark Knight. Clayface and Mr. Freeze and all work great in the comics or for a film that doesn't take everything as seriously as Begins does. I think the Riddler would be absolutely the best choice to go for it. They pulled off a twisted, disturbed Joker for Dark Knight and I think it wouldn't be a huge stretch to pull it off for a third Batman movie.
People saying that Bane needs to be in the next film really need to go back and read the whole Knightfall saga.
Obviously Two-Face will be front and center - his character has enough drama that should hold our attention for a long while. I'd like to see Catwoman - that would be an interesting dynamic between her and Batman. If not her, mybe Talia? I hadn't thought of the Ventriloquist, although he would probably have as much of a role as Mr. Zsasz in Begins.
The Riddler would be great too, but they really have to differentiate / erase the Jim Carrey character. Not a problem for Nolan!
Whoever it turns out to be though, it needs to fit in the realm of the universe Nolan has created. That's why I doubt a return of Ra's al Ghul would happen, because that would probably require the explanation of the Lazarus Pit. No Clayface, no Killer Croc, probably no Mr. Freeze.
Obviously Two-Face will be front and center - his character has enough drama that should hold our attention for a long while. I'd like to see Catwoman - that would be an interesting dynamic between her and Batman. If not her, mybe Talia? I hadn't thought of the Ventriloquist, although he would probably have as much of a role as Mr. Zsasz in Begins.
The Riddler would be great too, but they really have to differentiate / erase the Jim Carrey character. Not a problem for Nolan!
Whoever it turns out to be though, it needs to fit in the realm of the universe Nolan has created. That's why I doubt a return of Ra's al Ghul would happen, because that would probably require the explanation of the Lazarus Pit. No Clayface, no Killer Croc, probably no Mr. Freeze.
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beelzebozo said:
Only that what he acted wasn't the Penguin... at all.
Spirit of Jazz
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Bane won't appear simply because he's wearing a god damned Luncha mask which doesn't really fit in the context of the series. If they want a Broken Back type arc I'd imagine them putting someone like Deathstroke in Banes place.
That said I think Catwoman and Riddler have to be dead certs in the roles of the love interest and the flunky who turns out to be the mastermind.
That said I think Catwoman and Riddler have to be dead certs in the roles of the love interest and the flunky who turns out to be the mastermind.
This. I'm sick and tired of superhero movies that try to shoehorn two villains in where only one would suffice.Calcaneus said:
If they have to have a secondary conflict, maybe set up a rival crime sydicate that Two-face would struggle against while trying to build his own, with Batman in the middle trying to fight both. Head that up with Scarface (not as a hand puppet, of course*), Rupert Thorne, or Falcone.
Roided-out luchadors, ice men, mudmen, and plant ladies have no place in the Nolan Batman.
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I'd suggest to introduce (a living) Scarface and his weakling asssistant he treats like crap early in the film, have Scarface appear in ambiguously-framed shots throughout most of the rest of it, then have the reveal at the end when it turns out the assistant had actually snapped and murdered him earlier and had been basically using his corpse as a sort of Ventriloquist's dummy to call the shots through for most of the film.
Poison Ivy.
Instead of diva, she is a lonely scientist and likes to play mind games with Bruce. No corny "poison kisses" e.t.c., she should be more like a mad scientist.
I think poison ivy could work in the nolan universe, but he'd have to change the character a bit. More plausible than penguin and freeze.
..also Riddler, while good, is too much like the Joker.
Instead of diva, she is a lonely scientist and likes to play mind games with Bruce. No corny "poison kisses" e.t.c., she should be more like a mad scientist.
I think poison ivy could work in the nolan universe, but he'd have to change the character a bit. More plausible than penguin and freeze.
..also Riddler, while good, is too much like the Joker.
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