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ManaByte said:
Ok, except it's not the "Fantastic Four" in the movie. It's the "Fantastic Five". Dr. Doom fundamentally goes up in space with them and his armor is organic, that's his power he gets by going up in space with them. They fundamentally destroy one of the best Marvel villains ever. Doom in the comics was a fundamentally angry ruler who hated his disfigurement. Doom in the movie fundamentally embraces his power. Roger Corman's Fantastic Four, as low budget as it was, is a fundamentally better Fantastic Four movie than what Fox is shitting out next month. Sue is also fundamentally dating Doom at the beginning of the movie. Worse yet, he's just fundamentally "DOOM" not "Dr. Doom".

It's just as bad as the Schumacher shitpiles in the same way that Batman Forever destroyed Two Face.

One of the best things about the Two Face character was his coin decided if he was going to be bad or good. If the flip came up heads, he'd be a good guy. If it came up tails, he'd be evil. In the piece of shit movie he's evil no matter what the coin says.

Also, from people who have seen it, the plot seems non-existant the dialog in fundamentally cringe-worthy, and it's apparently fundamentally shit.
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All this sounds absolutely, fundamentally, fundamental.

This movie is gonna be fun...damental.
 
46.935 is the estimate for the weekend for a total of 71.087. Bummer although I think their Sunday estimate could be a bit low and the actual might be higher.
 
Well, I expect after the horror of the last 2 or 3 Batman movies, people may have learned their lesson. If I was joe average guy, I wouldn't even give this a chance personally.
 
Is it worth watching this? I'm thinking about going today but it sounds just like any other superhero movie.
 
Its the 5th one in the series what did you expect? If it makes more than Batman and Robin adjusted then it has been a success for the franchise.

The adjusted are something like...

Batman - $402.9m
Batman Returns - $251.1m (-37.7%)

Batman Forever - $270.8m (+7.8%)
Batman & Robin - $149.6m (-44.8%)

You can see that the series died from B&R. I think the studio would take any increase as a success. Batman hasn't been as big a draw as Spiderman since the 1st movie. The budget is also almost $50m less (ticket price adjusted) compared to B&R so the risk is much smaller.

With over $70m after its 1st weekend it should be ok and with good reviews the DVD sales will probably be very high.

The series has been doing proportionally better overseas with each installment (from 39% to 55%) so worldwide it should be able to pass the others.

Here ends over analysis.
 
Well, lets see what happens for this coming week. There no real competition opening up, so this will be the one chance word of mouth really has to help the film out.
 
Willco said:
Hey, are the IMAX screenings factored in?
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I'd like to know this as well, because I believe when "The Polar Express" opened they kept the regular theater and IMAX theater numbers separated - the movie did much better in IMAX theaters (3D ones in particular) I believe, at least proportional to the number of screens it was on anyway.
 
Deg said:
Is it worth watching this? I'm thinking about going today but it sounds just like any other superhero movie.
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If you want to watch a comic book movie that's not like any other superhero movie, check it out.
 
Those numbers are very close to the opening earnings of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring.

It certainly won't make the massive haul LotR made because of the competetive summer movie releases, but it certainly isn't a bomb. If the word-of-mouth is as positive as everyone believes it is, then the movie will make a killing in DVD sales/rentals.
 
>>>You can see that the series died from B&R. I think the studio would take any increase as a success. Batman hasn't been as big a draw as Spiderman since the 1st movie. The budget is also almost $50m less (ticket price adjusted) compared to B&R so the risk is much smaller.<<<

Is this going by the real production costs of B&R, $275 million, (yes kids, Titanic wasn't even the most expensive of 1997...) or the $110 million figure that WB released?
 
TAJ said:
>>>You can see that the series died from B&R. I think the studio would take any increase as a success. Batman hasn't been as big a draw as Spiderman since the 1st movie. The budget is also almost $50m less (ticket price adjusted) compared to B&R so the risk is much smaller.<<<

Is this going by the real production costs of B&R, $275 million, (yes kids, Titanic wasn't even the most expensive of 1997...) or the $110 million figure that WB released?
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It costs them 275 mill to make BnR?

Yet they re-used basically the same plot and music?
 
I don't know if the numbers have been posted, but anyway:

17 June 2005 (Sunday Estimates)
Rank Title Weekend Gross Total Gross
1. Batman Begins (2005) $46.9M $71.1M
2. Mr. & Mrs. Smith (2005) $27.3M $98M
3. Madagascar (2005) $11.1M $147M
4. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) $9.7M $348M
5. The Longest Yard (2005) $8M $132M
6. The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D (2005) $6.63M $24M
7. The Perfect Man (2005) $5.5M $5.5M
8. Cinderella Man (2005) $5.2M $43.6M
9. The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants (2005) $3.17M $30.2M
10. The Honeymooners (2005) $2.57M $9.47M

Thank god for Batman :D
 
just looking at that list, looks like Batman Begins could end up falling in line with movies like Mr/Mrs. Smith, Madagascar, and Longest Yard box office wise when all is said and done this summer, around $150 million domestic take. Certainly not a blockbuster of Star Wars (or, probably, War of the worlds) proportions, but far from a complete bomb and failure. The Honeymooners though, YIKES! Now there is a flop.
 
I think imax showings and positive word of mouth will make a big difference. I dont understand why The Smiths is up there anyway. Everyone I know who saw it said it was complete garbage.
 
TAJ said:
>>>You can see that the series died from B&R. I think the studio would take any increase as a success. Batman hasn't been as big a draw as Spiderman since the 1st movie. The budget is also almost $50m less (ticket price adjusted) compared to B&R so the risk is much smaller.<<<

Is this going by the real production costs of B&R, $275 million, (yes kids, Titanic wasn't even the most expensive of 1997...) or the $110 million figure that WB released?
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I was using $125m. I think WB learned their lesson after that.
 
The Honeymooners though, YIKES! Now there is a flop.
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This movie was doomed the instant Cedric uttered the butchered version of the "One of these days" line...

How on earth did they turn such a classic piece of comedic dialogue of all time into some cheesy line about romantically sweeping your wife off her legs and taking her to the moon (or something like that from the trailer).
 
Yeah...having Katie Holmes promote this movie was just retarded.

All they needed was Bale...and for the standard "here's a clip" have a portion of the interrogation scene. Fini. Hype generated.
 
It's not a great box office haul but it's good enough to greenlight a sequel. I think it could put together a very good set of weekdays, a strong second weekend and then perform adaquately even with the War of the Worlds opening.

This is a solid start. We'll see how important word of mouth really is, now.
 
Deg said:
Is it worth watching this? I'm thinking about going today but it sounds just like any other superhero movie.
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GO GO GO GO GO!

It has a completely different feel from other super hero movies. It's just...ahhhh. So good. I haven't enjoyed a movie so much on the first viewing since I saw the original Matrix.
 
71 million certainly is not bad... while I quickly said, when the numbers started coming out that movie bombed I'm glad to see It didn't, not bad at all could've been better but 71 million is not bad. Word of mouth will carry this one yesterday I convinced lot of people to go and see the movie and when they returned they couldn't stop talking about it
 
i saw it a 2nd time last night. i told my buddies before-hand that it was the best superhero movie of all-time. while they didn't agree with me after (they liked spiderman better), they all still liked the movie a lot.

one thing i wish is that
scarecrow had a bigger part. it is my only real complaint about the movie. he has what, 2 real "battles" with batman? both of which last a combined 20 seconds. then he gets bitched at the end by a chick. scarecrow was awesome when he was on screen, and that guy did a fantastic job of acting (dude from 28 days later), but i just wish he was more menacing and got more screen-time. maybe in the sequel...
 
teiresias said:
I'd like to know this as well, because I believe when "The Polar Express" opened they kept the regular theater and IMAX theater numbers separated - the movie did much better in IMAX theaters (3D ones in particular) I believe, at least proportional to the number of screens it was on anyway.
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:lol What is Farrell doing in your avatar?
 
Yes, because we need to know about the sewage refinery plants of Gotham City, or whatever other threadbare plot some hack can pull out of his ass.
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And I'll see YOU at the Stealth premier. ;)
 
Ryu said:
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And I'll see YOU at the Stealth premier. ;)
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Is there anyway to start a true fellowship of Earth? One where no man ever mentions the existence of this movie again? I still want to know who I kill for wasting the 3 minutes of my life seeing this trailer. Has to be worse than B&R right?
 
Yeah, it is pretty sad. It's funny because I think Jamie Foxx is a great actor and yet he's in this film and frankly, the two do not cancel each other out. I don't even think it's worth the download personally... You'd have to feel sorry for all the wasted bandwidth.
 
G4life98 said:
I had you pegged all wrong...here i thought you were an indie comics elitist and all this tis time you are just a fucking wananabe otaku :lol who likes to feel all superior because of finite franchises..."yippie, books I like that created interesting worlds will no longer be explored."
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Heh, I thought this fact was common knowledge. This is a guy who goes ballistic everytime a DOA game sells well or Itagaki opens his mouth...it's part of his shtick.






TheDuce22 said:
I wonder if those numbers factor in IMAX showings.
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I was wondering about that as well...it'll sound like desperate fanboy spinning, but the numbers seem a tad too low, and I reckon the IMAX screenings have been doing very well. They certainly did well where I went last night...the evening showing had been sold out for almost 45 minutes when I got there to buy one, so I got a late night ticket instead and hung around the area. Looked like that showing was sold out as well. If Begins can challenge for the biggest IMAX showing ever, or even challenge for the top five, that'll help it's gross tremendously.






siege said:
It didn't help that Holmes was promoting War of the Worlds more than her own film on Letterman. Damn I hate her and Cruise.
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That shit has really been annoying.

And I tell you what...if War of the Worlds stumbles in anyway at the box office, Cruise is as good as done in Hollywood. All indications are that the studios despise the way this fruit has been carrying on the last few weeks, and I bet BB's lower then expected performance (which some in Hollywood were looking to reverse their box office slump this year) will be attributed at least in part to Mr and Mrs Scientology ridiculous carrying on of late.







GhaleonEB said:
This I don't understand. Maybe it's me, but I've always been pretty good at seperating the actor from their craft. Some of my favorite actors and directors are total jerks offscreen, but that does not impact my enjoyment of their movies.
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Agreed...couldn't care less what an athlete, artist or actor does with their personal life, as long as they entertain me. They're not my role models, so fuck the drama.






Matlock said:

(click if it's yellowfrogged)
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:lol :lol :lol





Scrow said:
yeah, people seem to like jokes where they can guess the punchline long before. good 'ole predictability.
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:lol That's the only reason why I laughed at it...you could've seen that punchline coming from the moon.


And you know what...nevermind Batman & Robin hurting Batman Begins. No one talks about the piece of shit that was dropped a year ago, which may have done far more harm then B&R ever could. I never understood the point of making Catwoman when they did, and to make it one of the worst movies of the year only hurt BB's prospects. Whichever exec had the bright idea to greenlight a spinoff for a franchise that at that point was dead in the water and make it just as lousy a year ahead of the movie that was going to put the franchise back on solid footing is a candidate for the dumbest executive of the 21st century, and should be hung from the highest tree by the balls. Or by her cunt, if it was a chick.

Anyway, I think Begins will make it's cake when all is said and done...I predicted 250, and that could happen once the IMAX numbers are figured in. Of course if they're already figured in, that makes reaching that number a near-impossibility. Still, I think it'll do fantastic on DVD...can't wait to see what the deluxe version is packed with, cause you know they'll have one.
 
Shinobi said:
Anyway, I think Begins will make it's cake when all is said and done...I predicted 250, and that could happen once the IMAX numbers are figured in.
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I've been optimistic about its box office, but $250 Million? IMAX releases are NOT that successful, and will likely make $15 Million at the very most. And there is no WAY that the film itself will make over $200 Million. Hell, I'd say that $150 Million would be a big success with this opening. With a really strong second weekend I'd say it could rise higher...but 250 is just insane.
 
Batman Begins was just so poorly timed. It will get squeezed by WoW and in Japan, one of the big markets for Batman, WoW is on its way as well and Star Wars will come on July 9. They already got their premiere on the 18th of June.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
one thing i wish is that
scarecrow had a bigger part. it is my only real complaint about the movie. he has what, 2 real "battles" with batman? both of which last a combined 20 seconds. then he gets bitched at the end by a chick. scarecrow was awesome when he was on screen, and that guy did a fantastic job of acting (dude from 28 days later), but i just wish he was more menacing and got more screen-time. maybe in the sequel...
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Him getting owned at the end didn't bother me. The Scarecrow has always been a little pussy that was only powerful when everyone was affected by his fear inducing hallucinagens. Without it, he's a nobody.
 
Memles said:
I've been optimistic about its box office, but $250 Million? IMAX releases are NOT that successful, and will likely make $15 Million at the very most. And there is no WAY that the film itself will make over $200 Million. Hell, I'd say that $150 Million would be a big success with this opening. With a really strong second weekend I'd say it could rise higher...but 250 is just insane.
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Yeah, IMAX doesn't really rake in the money. The Polar Express IMAX release pulled in $3 million over its first five days, and that was a record high. I'm not entirely clear whether IMAX grosses are included in the normally reported ones however.
 
>>>BB will have to pull off Titanic-like legs and word of mouth to even get beyond 150. <<<

If it had Titanic's legs, it would pull in a little under $1.5 billion domestic. :p
 
BATMAN BEGINS.....To get Out-grossed by BATMAN FOREVER.

Seriously, I'm surprised so many people i've met seem to think that the first two Burton films did phenomenal numbers, then Batman Forever came and killed the franchise. No one seems to remember that Batman Forever DID BETTER then Batman Returns. It should've been vlear back then that quality and boc-office success do not go hand in hand.

Nontheless, if this movie gets a sequel with these kind of numbers, and The Hulk doesn't....Rrrrrrrrargh.
 
batman forever had some serious ass star power. val kilmer, chris odonnel (before his career went down the shitter one batman later), jim carrey, tommy lee jones. who does batman begins really have that is on top of the world? christian bale ARGUABLY (he's not THAT big) but other than that it's just medium actors. and even with all that it is clearly the best batman cast yet.

but i have to say that i really liked jim carrey as the RIDDLER!! thought he did an awesome job.



p.s. i didn't read many batman comics with scarecrow in them, so i didn't realize he was such a pussy.... but now seeing the movie and talking about batman here i am interested in buying some of those graphic novels (year one, dark knight returns, etc)
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
but i have to say that i really liked jim carrey as the joker. thought he did an awesome job.
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Agreed 100%, but only in the sense that Jim Carrey never played the Joker.
 
So $71 million is a bomb? :lol

It'll make it's money back then some. Especially when it hits DVD. Not record breaking but does every new movie have to break records?

Crisis averted, no bomba, sorry guys.
 
With Katie Holmes following Tom Cruise around, someone should play a Batman related prank on her...which would then get some attention for Batman Begins.

My idea is that someone shoots her in the face with a taser gun. That way when the news reports it, they'll be like, "Much like how she dealt with super-villian "The Scarecrow" in the movie Batman Begins, Katie Holmes was hit with a taser gun to the face."

That, in combination with throwing water on Tom Cruise who is attempting to save her, would result in a hilarious smorgasborg of mishaps!

And also result in some jailtime...but it's all for Batman..y'know.
 
Well, looking at Madagascar and considering it doesn't get crushed by WOTW (curse you TOM CRUIIIISE!) it may hit around $180-200 mark. Maybe... fuck cruise.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
batman forever had some serious ass star power. val kilmer, chris odonnel (before his career went down the shitter one batman later), jim carrey, tommy lee jones. who does batman begins really have that is on top of the world? christian bale ARGUABLY (he's not THAT big) but other than that it's just medium actors. and even with all that it is clearly the best batman cast yet.
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VAL KILMER? CHRIS O' DONNELL? TOMMY LEE JONES? MOVE OVER OCEAN'S ELEVEN, WE GOT THE MEGASTARS HERE!!!

First of all, none of the above people are superstars. Second of all, you forgot to mention another star Batman Forever actually DID have(Nicole Kidman. Hottest Bat-Girl ever, By the by.) Third of all, if star power matters so much, explain Batman & Robin doing worse then Forever.
 
Barrage said:
VAL KILMER? CHRIS O' DONNELL? TOMMY LEE JONES? MOVE OVER OCEAN'S ELEVEN, WE GOT THE MEGASTARS HERE!!!

First of all, none of the above people are superstars. Second of all, you forgot to mention another star Batman Forever actually DID have(Nicole Kidman. Hottest Bat-Girl ever, By the by.) Third of all, if star power matters so much, explain Batman & Robin doing worse then Forever.
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Back int he day they were hot but their careers have waned since then.
 
First of all, none of the above people are superstars.
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They were then.

Nicole Kidman. Hottest Bat-Girl ever, By the by.
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Shows how inept the casting was for the previous movies, although Bassinger still had it back then.

) Third of all, if star power matters so much, explain Batman & Robin doing worse then Forever.
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Star power explains how anyone actually even went to watch the movie. If it wasnt for Silverstone's ass I wouldnt have watched it.
 
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