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Willco said:
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HUSH!! dont speak such nonsense! i wont hear it! lalalalalalalalala............
Leatherface
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Question about the IMAX version on the film. Is it actually hi res or just the original version specially "formatted" to imax specifications? I hate when it's the later. I was very disappointed in the Maxtrix movie I seen in IMAX. It was all blurry and seemed stretched. I guess I was expecting to be just as wowed by the image quality as the regular Imax movies. =_(
this movie will do great in the long run. it was a 20% increase from friday to saturday, and only a 13% decrease from saturday to sunday. it was also up $2M over sunday estimates.
We will have to wait until a week from now to know for sure, but if this thing has legs similar to other established movies, getting to just under $200M shouldn't be a problem. and I have a feeling it's worldwide box office will also be decent (over $500M).
Who cares about records.. as long as it does good enough to warrant Goyer and Nolan to do a second movie with the same hands off from Warner approach as this one.. that's all that really matters.
edit - and given the twist ending
We will have to wait until a week from now to know for sure, but if this thing has legs similar to other established movies, getting to just under $200M shouldn't be a problem. and I have a feeling it's worldwide box office will also be decent (over $500M).
Who cares about records.. as long as it does good enough to warrant Goyer and Nolan to do a second movie with the same hands off from Warner approach as this one.. that's all that really matters.
edit - and given the twist ending
hyping up an of the villains was kind of dumb.
Saw the batman movie on Friday the same day my internet went out and just now got it back on. I only went to go see it because of the wonderful reccomendations from forums like this but me and my friend both walked away dissapointed. Not because it was bad but because it could of been SO much more. The movie showed brief strokes of sheer brilliance while at other times it felt like the director was comotose behind the camera. Best aspect of the movie for me was the revelations of League of Shadows and Ra's and Morgan Freemans character while the worst aspect for me was the cut and paste art direction and the horribly edited fight scenes. Scarecrow was great but underused and Bale was a wonderful Bruce Wayne but his Batman although a young batman was still very lacking. I saw Bale in a mask not Batman so the illusion was ruined for me.
I give the movie a B- because it is the best batman to come out in ages but definitely still cannot touch the first.
I give the movie a B- because it is the best batman to come out in ages but definitely still cannot touch the first.
teiresias said:
Oh I get it. Your one of those rights and free speech nuts who can't accept anyones opinions.
Cute.
The fight scenes were butchered during the editing for me with extreme close-ups and the pattented "shaky-camera" affect to ensure that you can't tell wtf is really going on. When Batman kicked that guys ass in the alley with the swords in the first movie they didn't have to result in such cheap editing tricks to portray great action so I know it could of been done differently so the viewers got a great scope of Batmans fighting style and techniques. I have no reason to be biased against this movie I love the production staff and the actors attached to the project but some aspects could of been done a lot better.
Matrix
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Shaheed79 said:
No,you really are wrong.
"When Batman kicked that guys ass in the alley with the swords in the first movie they didn't have to result in such cheap editing tricks to portray great action so I know it could of been done differently so the viewers got a great scope of Batmans fighting style and techniques."
That was great action? :lol
Matrix said:
Do you call the butchered edited to hell fight scenes is BB great action?
For 1988 yes that was great action imo. Think about it 1988 man that film broke ground for super-hero flicks. Not James Cameron level but still great stuff for the time-period.
Matrix
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I didnt say Batman Begins has great action,but a couple of hand blocks and a kick or two in Batman isnt great action even in 89.Shit I consider the fight between Superman and Zod in Superman 2 to have far better action then that 
Forgotten_Taco
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The original Batman was a horrible movie, I didn't get the Batman feel from it at all. Nicholson, while a great actor, was nothing like the joker. Keaton did a terrible job as Bruce and only a decent Batman. Batman couldn't even turn his head to the right, and Batman threw out kicks and punches that I've seen my Grandma do better.
My only real problem with the fight scenes in Batman Begins is the last fight with Ra's, I do think they could have, and should have, cut it better so we get a better feel for what's going on.
Batman Begins > Burton's Batman. By far.
My only real problem with the fight scenes in Batman Begins is the last fight with Ra's, I do think they could have, and should have, cut it better so we get a better feel for what's going on.
Batman Begins > Burton's Batman. By far.
Matrix said:I didnt say Batman Begins has great action,but a couple of hand blocks and a kick or two in Batman isnt great action even in 89.Shit I consider the fight between Superman and Zod in Superman 2 to have far better action then that
Well obviously we are drawing comparisons between the two and for me the new Batman's fight scenes were near abysmal for this day and age. I kept screaming to myself "BACK THE CAMERA UP!" so I could see wtf was going on. Given Bales performance in Equalibrium I would of thought the Director would take advantage of his willingness to approach action scenes and stunts. Instead we get a blurry edited mess where deciphering the fight scenes was a complex puzzle within itself.
Matrix
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Shaheed79 said:
The first Batman isnt even Batman,its the Joker show featuring music by Prince.I'll take Batman Begins few flaws over a movie that isnt true to the Batman character at all.Joker killing the Waynes...wtf :| Batman killing the Joker...wtf... :| I guess if you dont really care about the backstory or the true Batman character itself,I can see how people can like Burtons version better.
cvkpaladin
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Well, Batman Begins does have some pretty cool action sequences I would say. Much better then most of the action found in the 1989 version. Not all action sequences that I put down will be considered 'fight scenes', but I will still list them since it shows that Nolan can handle action very well.
Spoiler marked for people who have not seen the movie...
Now Batman (1989) did not have anywhere near the level of action sequences that Begins had. Hell, Batman himself could hardly movie in his suit. Most of the difficulties with having elaborate fighting scenes in the original Batman were derived from technical problems due to it being a decade and a half older then this newer Batman, but those problems are still apparent. Even though the camera was in a position where you could see everything clearly, there wasn't really anything to see but a man in a suit who stood in one place throwing out random punches and the occasional kick. It just hasn't aged well. So, I'm not exactly sure what you are remembering in the first movie that makes you think it had better action then Begins, but as Teirsias said, you are just wrong.
When comparing the 2 films to see which is better however, that is purely opinion based. Depending on if you like Christian Bale's performance more then Keaton's, if you liked Jack Nicolson's portrayal of the Joker (IMO, one of the best villian's ever with a huge list of classic lines), and which art direction you think best suits Batman (real world city vs. gothic styled city) among other things. I thought both movies have their positives and their negatives and think both work well in their own way.
Spoiler marked for people who have not seen the movie...
Scenes I thought the action was well presented:
1. Training with Ducard out on the ice
2. Fighting Ra's Al Ghul (Ken Watanabe) while the temple is blowing up around them.
3. First scene with Batman at the docks where he takes out criminals in a single fashion like that in a horror movie.
4. Batman's first encounter with the Scarecrow.
5. Any scene that deals with the Tumbler.
6. Widespread panic in the slums of Gotham as the fear toxin is released into the air and Batman is getting swarmed by people.
7. The whole monorail scene at the end with it crashing into the city below as Batman bails out.
Scenes I thought could have been worked on:
1. Any fight where Batman/Bruce Wayne had to fight multiple guys at once (including the prison fight scene, the fight scene that happened in Arkham Asylum, the fight scene against Ra's Al Ghuls henchmen before the monorail scene, and the fight against Ra's Al Ghul in the monorail)
2. Well, thats about it. So, IMO, the good seriously outweighs the bad.
1. Training with Ducard out on the ice
2. Fighting Ra's Al Ghul (Ken Watanabe) while the temple is blowing up around them.
3. First scene with Batman at the docks where he takes out criminals in a single fashion like that in a horror movie.
4. Batman's first encounter with the Scarecrow.
5. Any scene that deals with the Tumbler.
6. Widespread panic in the slums of Gotham as the fear toxin is released into the air and Batman is getting swarmed by people.
7. The whole monorail scene at the end with it crashing into the city below as Batman bails out.
Scenes I thought could have been worked on:
1. Any fight where Batman/Bruce Wayne had to fight multiple guys at once (including the prison fight scene, the fight scene that happened in Arkham Asylum, the fight scene against Ra's Al Ghuls henchmen before the monorail scene, and the fight against Ra's Al Ghul in the monorail)
2. Well, thats about it. So, IMO, the good seriously outweighs the bad.
Now Batman (1989) did not have anywhere near the level of action sequences that Begins had. Hell, Batman himself could hardly movie in his suit. Most of the difficulties with having elaborate fighting scenes in the original Batman were derived from technical problems due to it being a decade and a half older then this newer Batman, but those problems are still apparent. Even though the camera was in a position where you could see everything clearly, there wasn't really anything to see but a man in a suit who stood in one place throwing out random punches and the occasional kick. It just hasn't aged well. So, I'm not exactly sure what you are remembering in the first movie that makes you think it had better action then Begins, but as Teirsias said, you are just wrong.
When comparing the 2 films to see which is better however, that is purely opinion based. Depending on if you like Christian Bale's performance more then Keaton's, if you liked Jack Nicolson's portrayal of the Joker (IMO, one of the best villian's ever with a huge list of classic lines), and which art direction you think best suits Batman (real world city vs. gothic styled city) among other things. I thought both movies have their positives and their negatives and think both work well in their own way.
Forgotten_Taco
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Deku said:
Well those people are wrong.
Matrix
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Shaheed79 said:
:lol Mr.Matrix I like that.
Go ahead rip Begins apart and compare it to Burtons or the comics,then you will see which one is truer to the character...go right ahead.If you want to waste your time doing that,be my guest.
I don't see why making the Joker the one who killed the Waynes is such a huge deal to purists. It's not like it would be out of character for him to have done so in his early criminal career, and as I understand it the comics were never consistantly clear on who killed them anyways.
And he did essentially cause
in Begins, so his hands are not clean in this one either.
And he did essentially cause
Ra's death
Escape Goat
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maharg said:
Batmans whole mission is to avenge his parents murder and to prevent it from happening to others. The fact the murderer was never caught makes it so that the criminal underworld as a whole is the face of murderer. So Batman lashes out at all criminals. If it was the Joker, he could have closure by simply killing/capturing the Joker.
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The thing about Batman Begins is that everything I thought was so cool about the character, it gets right. Yeah, the campy 60's show was funny. And Burton's movies were colorful and played up the over-the-top supervillain aspect. I don't like the direction Schumaker took the franchise -- his own fantasies aside, homoeroticism simply isn't what I want to see in a Batman story. The animated series have all been excellent, including Batman Beyond, and they get closest to achieving what Batman Begins attained to perfection.
I've mentioned before that I think Batman has the best origin story of any superhero, and the fact that he doesn't have any superpowers makes him that much more compelling. And like never before, Batman Begins absolutely nails Bruce's motivations. And it protrays him the way I prefer to see Batman portrayed -- as a tough, brutal, take-no-shit badass. A spectre who uses fear, intimidation and stealth as weapons. I loved the fight scenes -- Batman is like a ninja, he's supposed to be hard to see. The close-ups and camera work really drove home the brutality of his fighting style.
And then you have the acting. Top notch all around, especially Bale, Caine and Neeson, and nice performances by Freeman and Oldman and the actors playing smaller parts.
Now, as "realistic" as most of the movie is, you do have to suspend your disbelief at some point, and even with the comic book science of the microwave emitter, I thought as a doomsday weapon it worked fine. Plus, at the end of the day it IS still a superhero movie, so the bad guys have to have SOMETHING more to do than just hurt people.
And the batmobile. They took a huge risk, and many folks hated the design when it was first unveiled. But man did that thing ever rock. I'd love to drive one of those
I've mentioned before that I think Batman has the best origin story of any superhero, and the fact that he doesn't have any superpowers makes him that much more compelling. And like never before, Batman Begins absolutely nails Bruce's motivations. And it protrays him the way I prefer to see Batman portrayed -- as a tough, brutal, take-no-shit badass. A spectre who uses fear, intimidation and stealth as weapons. I loved the fight scenes -- Batman is like a ninja, he's supposed to be hard to see. The close-ups and camera work really drove home the brutality of his fighting style.
And then you have the acting. Top notch all around, especially Bale, Caine and Neeson, and nice performances by Freeman and Oldman and the actors playing smaller parts.
Now, as "realistic" as most of the movie is, you do have to suspend your disbelief at some point, and even with the comic book science of the microwave emitter, I thought as a doomsday weapon it worked fine. Plus, at the end of the day it IS still a superhero movie, so the bad guys have to have SOMETHING more to do than just hurt people.
And the batmobile. They took a huge risk, and many folks hated the design when it was first unveiled. But man did that thing ever rock. I'd love to drive one of those
Escape Goat
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maharg said:
Yes, which defeats Batman's mission IMO.
Matrix
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maharg said:
"Who Killed Batman's Parents ?
Pre-Crisis (Crisis was a big shake-up of the DCU that removed a lot of old stories from continuity), Batman's parents were killed by Joe Chill, a petty thug hired for the job. Post-Crisis, Joe Chill was still the killer.
Post-Zero Hour (Zero Hour was a smaller shake-up of the DC Universe that removed some more old stories from continuity), we're no longer sure. It might still be Joe Chill, but it might not be, because he was ill that day on an alternate Earth, so he might have been ill in the main DC Earth. Also, after seeing his parents during Zero Hour, Bruce doubts that he really knows the killer's identity at all.
This in bold is stupid.
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ManaByte said:
Question: In the comics did Ra's Al-Ghul train batman? I was told he was just an environmental terrorist.
P.S. To those saying the original Batman is better than Begins, when is the last time you watched the original? I watched it again a couple months back and it really was no masterpeice by any stretch.
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ManaByte said:
If you think about it, Burton's first movie sets up the motivations of Wayne in the second movie perfectly. Why keep being Batman when I killed the SOB that made me be Batman in the first movie? Explains why Batman acts so half assed in the second movie. He has no motivation left anymore being Batman. :lol
I don't understand how people can say Burton's Batman is better than Batman Begins not only that but Keaton's Batman better than Bale's? please
Burton's Batman was a horrible representation of Batman for example
1)Burton's Batman ran a freaking marathon in both Batman and Batman Returns hardly does Batman run so freely on the streets in the comics
2)He didn't conceal his voice at all, you can say you didn't like Bale's voice but that is a matter of opinion at least people couldn't tell he was Bruce Wayne
3)the guy was a serial killer
4)he was shooting practice for the criminals, this was one of the things I hate the most about Burton's Batman he got shot at so easily it was laughable
Nolan's vision of Batman is a hell lot more accurate than Burton's, no comic book film is 100% accurate to the source material (well except Sin City) but I prefer a comic book film closer to the source material (Nolan's) that one that takes so much liberties with the source material(Burton's)
Burton's Batman was a horrible representation of Batman for example
1)Burton's Batman ran a freaking marathon in both Batman and Batman Returns hardly does Batman run so freely on the streets in the comics
2)He didn't conceal his voice at all, you can say you didn't like Bale's voice but that is a matter of opinion at least people couldn't tell he was Bruce Wayne
3)the guy was a serial killer
4)he was shooting practice for the criminals, this was one of the things I hate the most about Burton's Batman he got shot at so easily it was laughable
Nolan's vision of Batman is a hell lot more accurate than Burton's, no comic book film is 100% accurate to the source material (well except Sin City) but I prefer a comic book film closer to the source material (Nolan's) that one that takes so much liberties with the source material(Burton's)
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